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[chuckles79]

I'm lv 78 and after much hardship I got through the second tier of armorsmithing (because I don't spend much time in the lower level areas with those components, and they are costly in the TP).

However, after looking through the DB and seeing what I will need to get to max....I'm getting random drops that are almost max.

Not dissing crafting, and it's a good side note (cooking consumables helps, and jewelry could be nice later.

Anyhow, I'm thinking the best use of my crafting would be to outfit alts in their early game levels.  Making me rethink taking up armorsmithing since my next two character will not be heavy armor.

[FoolishLobster]

Most definitely worth it for getting exotic gear with the stats you want.

[xyrm]

FoolishLobster, on 10 September 2012 - 06:35 PM, said:

Most definitely worth it for getting exotic gear with the stats you want.

This.  And as a bonus, the medium armor makes you look like Shredder from TMNT!!!  Most exotic gear costs 4G+ per piece on the TP, when you can probably get it crafted for 2.5g just buying the mats off the TP.

[glountz]

xyrm, on 10 September 2012 - 06:37 PM, said:

Most exotic gear costs 4G+ per piece on the TP, when you can probably get it crafted for 2.5g just buying the mats off the TP.

IMVHO, you proved the opposite of what you wanted to say.
Grinding craft is a massive gold sink. But, if you don't craft, you'll sell mats on the TP and become very, very rich, so NOT crafting results in a big income.

4G for 2.5G worth of mats? I'll buy. I will have ten times this thanks to all the mats I sold on the TP.

[cyferior78252]

glountz, on 12 September 2012 - 06:10 AM, said:

IMVHO, you proved the opposite of what you wanted to say.
Grinding craft is a massive gold sink. But, if you don't craft, you'll sell mats on the TP and become very, very rich, so NOT crafting results in a big income.

4G for 2.5G worth of mats? I'll buy. I will have ten times this thanks to all the mats I sold on the TP.

Yeah, no, most likely not Most low tier basic material sell for barely more than the vendor price if you add the cut. Leaves you with the advanced materials, which allow turning some coins. But we are talking of items with a value of 1-3 silver, so you may get 10g, 15 if you really farm as if you would need every resource node (hint: unlikely as you are not in the crafter mindset and are way more likely to skip the node for a more direct path). 15g means you can buy either your armor or your weapons or your accessories. A full set of exotics comes close to 45-50g if you have to buy everything from the TP fully assembled.

And seeing that you can get just about any craft up for 3 gold means that you would not only be able to craft your own gear and save the crafters "tip" that is already embedded in the tp price, but also have one of those 8 crafts knocked off that you might need for legendaries anyway.

[glountz]

cyferior78252, on 12 September 2012 - 06:39 AM, said:

Yeah, no, most likely not Most low tier basic material sell for barely more than the vendor price if you add the cut. Leaves you with the advanced materials, which allow turning some coins.

Uh what ? Are you mad  ?
Checking right now:
Jute scrap - vendor price 2 pc - TP price 31 pc.
Copper Ore - vendor price 1 pc - TP price 18 pc.
Vial of weak blood - vendor price 1 pc - TP price 47 pc.

We are FAR from "barely more the vendor price" for low end mats. Seriously. I don't talk about high end mats,where the prices are even more outrageous.
On the other hand, blue and greens are vendor prices, you don't need yellows until the high levels, and you can have them with karma and tokens.

cyferior78252, on 12 September 2012 - 06:39 AM, said:

But we are talking of items with a value of 1-3 silver, so you may get 10g, 15 if you really farm as if you would need every resource node (hint: unlikely as you are not in the crafter mindset and are way more likely to skip the node for a more direct path). 15g means you can buy either your armor or your weapons or your accessories. A full set of exotics comes close to 45-50g if you have to buy everything from the TP fully assembled.

And seeing that you can get just about any craft up for 3 gold means that you would not only be able to craft your own gear and save the crafters "tip" that is already embedded in the tp price, but also have one of those 8 crafts knocked off that you might need for legendaries anyway.

You're right about the crafter mindset, I don't have it, unless it's very profitable and useful. Problem is that if I don't craft, I don't farm, or more exactly, I don't farm the same things than you. You're running for ore and wood, you're spending time in town discovering your recipees, you're spending all your karma buying new recipes. During your game time that is wasted in crafting, I'm running for DE events and dungeons tokens, which give me karma and silver on top of that. I will have more karma than a crafter, hence I will NOT buy any of the exotics you propose on the TP since I will be able to have them for karma or dungeons tokens.

For legendaries, things are still unclear. But my goal is not to obtain one at all costs.

In short, crafting cost too much, karma included, while playing DE gives you money and karma, AND more income to you if you sell your mats on the TP.

Crafting is not really useful in this game, in my very humble opinion, but of course I might be wrong.

[cyferior78252]

glountz, on 12 September 2012 - 06:47 PM, said:

Jute scrap - vendor price 2 pc - TP price 31 pc.
Copper Ore - vendor price 1 pc - TP price 18 pc.

Cloth is pretty rare and therefore worth a bit, copper is available in much larger quantities, but I guess it get's consumed by starters that try to brute-force spam certain recipes over and over again, leading to more demand on the resource that logic would tell.

But let's have a look at leather and wood, those are vendorprice-worth till t5 (leather even at t6). Metal? Yeah worth selling, dito cloth. Food? Mostly worthless, some materials are overpriced, rather annoying to sell, though. Gemstones? Go red or go home, nothing sells beyond vendorprice if it is not red. All in all, you could focus on metal nodes while leveling, wood and food just don't cut it, cause you do not only have to include 15% tp-cut, but also the gathering tools. I still believe that you will not finish level 80 with more than 15g, but feel free to prove me wrong

glountz, on 12 September 2012 - 06:47 PM, said:

Crafting is not really useful in this game, in my very humble opinion, but of course I might be wrong.

I got to 80 and was completely broke with jeweler ~350 and cooking 400 and some materials. With that it took me three days of farming crafting materials /crafting to get my whole exotic berserker set, 6 armor parts with expensive runes, 3 weapons with expensive sigils and accessories with expensive gemstones and some hundred stacks of max level food, too. Also gave me 4 completely filled crafting professions. You can not hope to get that progression speed with event farming or dungeon running.

If you ask me, crafting is for the stats, karma only for the looks. Waiting for drops and farming karma for weeks to get that dungeon set while wearing subpar gear is a major timewaste, you could farm those really hard exploration modes way more efficiently with top notch gear to get you started.

Edited by cyferior78252, 13 September 2012 - 08:27 AM.

[RamzaBehoulve]

If you want to make money and are good at market analysis. It's worth it.

If you enjoy crafting and need some XP on some characters. It's worth it.

If all you want is look or stats. It's not worth it. Other people can make what you want faster, more efficiently and cheaper than you would by doing it yourself because they are invested in their craft. The exception to that is of course some of the Legendary items requiring crafting.