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#31 chuckles79

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 11:19 PM

After trying warrior in beta I fell in  love with the profession and I think a lot of people who felt their first pick wasn't working out went warrior as their first alt.

It's forgiving, moderately high damage, and hard to one hit.  In normal PvE I've had no problems.  Now that I'm lvl 80 I'm going to get some pimped out gear and become a walking mountain of pain in WvW!

#32 SuperunknownQt

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 12:20 AM

sorry there are no unique snowflakes in MMO's these days

#33 Tranquility

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 04:10 AM

I play Guardian because I like playing support.

Monk, followed by wells necromancer were my first to finish the game.
Ritualist was the first in Factions
Paragon was the first in Nightfall.

So I rolled Guardian. It does have really good support skill, though weapon variety is terrible, especially when you consider most of the weapons are godawful. That said, after doing most of the dungeons in explorable mode, every class has some sort of support skills that make me a little envious. Muddy Terrain, Well of Blood, Banners, etc.

Heavy vs Medium vs Light is not much more than an aesthetic thing in my experience. You definitely can't just faceroll everything because you are in plate, you still get 1shotted by mechanics that you are supposed to avoid, and 3 shotted by everything else.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 04:19 AM

Well, for me personally, I wanted to main Necro when I played the betas.

After messing around with them, they just didn't have enough utility to keep me interested, so I went ahead and tried thief. Loved the prof, but after hitting 40 I was bored with spamming unload/heartseeker/death blossom without ever needing to switch weapons - with initiative in place, switching weapons really isn't that important!

Then I tried Warrior, which was freaking awesome because they have so many weapon choices and are just scary, but their lack of utility was a dealbreaker.

Tried Elementalist, just couldn't really get into the archtype!

Finally stuck with the Guardian because they can do almost everything; tank, support, burst, condition damage, heals, and MASSIVE UTILITY! Being able to pull/push targets = fun! Being able to set up walls enemies can't pass = endless opportunites for awesomeness! The only thing that really irritates me about the Guardian is their lack of range. Orb of Wrath is so painfully slow I can get 5 off at the same time and someone will see them coming so they'll just "move" but I suppose they need some limitations so they don't become the "Do-it-all" profession.

I plan on making a ranger as my secondary, so I can range ALL DAY LONG after crying over lack of range on my Guardian.

Through all this muck of words, my point is that Guardians can do almost everything so they're pretty desirable. Warriors, too, becasue they have the most weapon options and are also pretty versatile.

EDIT: I also forgot to mention I really enjoy them for PvP as well. When I would PvP with my thief, just a few conditions and I would explode into a million pieces, regardless of how much I poured into defense (I made a pure tank thief build, with blinds, escapes, conditions removal - still got shredded by EVERYTHING, and didn't deal any damage at all) but after playing the Guardian I was able to be offensive and still live. I was able to make offensive builds and defensive builds, and both would work for their purposes without being shredded alive or dealing no damage.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 05:44 AM

Wait until people who rolled warriors for easy mode realize that they are the worst class in PvP. They have no roll in spvp. All other classes overshadows them in roles.

Kind of sad.

Will be funny to see all the "buff warriors" threads soon.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 08:02 AM

View Postrenroval, on 13 September 2012 - 05:44 AM, said:

Wait until people who rolled warriors for easy mode realize that they are the worst class in PvP. They have no roll in spvp. All other classes overshadows them in roles.

Kind of sad.

Will be funny to see all the "buff warriors" threads soon.

I would LOL of that happens as well,




its obvious the ppl whine that warrior is OP @ pve never reached end game before.
where their armor feels like paper and their damage feels like pillows hitting mobs/boss.

Edited by undeadpolice1, 13 September 2012 - 08:04 AM.


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Posted 13 September 2012 - 09:01 AM

View Postrenroval, on 13 September 2012 - 05:44 AM, said:

Wait until people who rolled warriors for easy mode realize that they are the worst class in PvP. They have no roll in spvp. All other classes overshadows them in roles.

Kind of sad.

Will be funny to see all the "buff warriors" threads soon.
What? It's a very decent class. I'd pick a warrior over an elemntalist or ranger for spvp any day.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 09:19 AM

I got stuck playing warrior due to my close friends and I all wanted to start the game with different classes. We group together almost non-stop.
My choices were Engineer and Warrior. I took the latter. (this was just for our first class)
I am glad I did. It's a fun class and it can be forgiving but get a big head and you will get owned quick.
I wanted to play the Ele first but I lost a dice roll...glad I lost. Warrior is fun!

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 10:44 AM

I think most of them are warriors actually. Been playing guardian since release and I haven't seen that many fellow guardians.
Or maybe I have but I never see them use any support skill.

Yes yes, there are no pure support classes, but when I'm playing guardian and I see other players who are struggling I, well, guard them. I rarely see consecrations apart from my own, or shouts. On the other hand, playing the game turns into a 'For great justice' anthem most of the time.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 10:48 AM

View PostDabrixmgp, on 11 September 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

Since when does least played = a bad class that needs buffs?  Just using WoW as an example.  Rogues and Warlocks have always fought for the title of least played class yet both have done high DPS since Sunwell, like the past 4 years, and both can own at PvP.  People just dont like some classes for some reason.  Doesnt mean they are broken.

Rogue least played? Have you played Cata Arenas? But that aside. Who cares about WoW when talking about GW2. Edit: I might as well add that with the coming of MoP, people are flocking back to their resto druids cos' they are now FoTM. When feral was FoTM in the start of Cata the amount of horribad feraltards was insane. And now that Rogues are getting nerfbat, people are flocking to Warlocks and Mages. So if people are staying away from a certain class, it usually DOES have a reason behind it. It's not just an illusion.

But yes, Warriors and Guardians seem to be everywhere. And they seem to smash things to bits and pieces. But I don't know...I've never enjoyed the "easy road". I've enjoyed my Mesmer so far. Truth be told however, I sometimes think about trying Necro or Ele for more boom boom damage but according to what I've read from here, it isn't much better. As a druid player, I'm very used to toying around with different tools but I wouldn't be against some certain tweaks. What those tweaks should be, I don't know. There's the danger of causing PvP havoc with direct damage adjustments.

Edited by Sarosna, 13 September 2012 - 10:51 AM.


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Posted 13 September 2012 - 12:59 PM

idk where people got this grand idea that Warriors are this ultimate faceroll invincible class. I see Warriors calling out for res constantly, and they're VERY squish in high levels because of the oddball heals and direct line of fire. Just because "Signet Spec" is easy due to most of the skills having passive effects, doesn't mean they never use the active effects, or aren't good with their weapon skills, and so on. It's like people whining in PvP that all D/D Thieves use Heartseeker and nothing else. Sure, BAD ones will... and will DIE. Good ones are the ones that make you feel helpless and retarded at the end of the day for no stun breaker and dodge.

Either way (in PvE), Guardians, Engineers and Necros are the most survivable classes on their own when it comes to big number fighting. Warriors are one of the toughest in teams, where there are other Warriors/classes augmenting them and supporting. A real-deal Toughness/Vitality Warrior will surely be stronger than any "Signet Spec" anything though in terms of surviving.

Oh, and I'll add this -

This isn't WoW. *Stop comparing the two*. As a Guild Wars 1 vet (since pre-released no less) - I can tell you that patience is a virtue. Don't take the easy road in PvE and play Guardian or Warrior (because you think they're the "best"), or Thief and Mesmer in PvP because  you got killed a bunch by them. Play what you LIKE and the little quirks will be worked out.

In Guild Wars 1, I played every class, but mained Ritualist and Mesmer - drastically underpowered classes (except Mes in PvP)... that were later buffed SO HARD that they became STAPLES of *every* build.

/Signed - An Engineer.

Edited by Mekkakat, 13 September 2012 - 01:05 PM.

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#42 Sephrye

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 07:29 AM

Maybe people like the heavy armor look?

Or it's being a ranged profession in heavy armor (gun warrior),
or maybe it's because it's usually the safe/forgiving class in most games, warrior's popular in almost every game because of that.

Guardians: because of all the heals,
people (including me) like the 'paladin' idea in most games,
you're not just support but can also kill stuff.
Some people like being a healer, and adding the ability to kill things easily, as well as being a healer;
well, it's like the icing on a cake, I suppose.

Those are my guesses, anyway.

Edited by Sephrye, 15 September 2012 - 07:30 AM.


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Posted 17 September 2012 - 12:52 PM

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In case you guys haven't seen it:
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Bigfoot1291 from Reddit made the modified chart you see in this post.

Here is the official ArenaNet blogpost (which has the original image):
https://www.guildwar...m_source=client
http://www.guildwars...t/#entry1935423

#44 Xrylene

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 06:02 PM

Seems to me that for professions, it tends to go from easiest, least buggy, and most viable builds, to hardest, most buggy, and least viable builds. Elementalist is a bit of an anomaly, in that it actually has quite a bit of depth and potential challenge, and yet is very popular.

Races seem to go from most human looking to least human looking, while crafts mostly match up with profession popularity, weaponsmithing being most common coinciding with the high popularity of Warriors, Guardians, and possibly melee Rangers, Huntsman being less common because the three main professions to benefit from it are spread out from high to lowest, and Artificer being very rare due to Necromancer and Mesmer being very rare, with Elementalist being the other main profession that might go for it. Armourer and Tailor are the only two I can't really explain, Tailor should be less common because two of it's three professions are at the bottom, while Armourer should be higher due to it's profession's being at the top, though it may partially be due to having only two soldiers compared to three adventurers and three scholars.

To people who say they see lots of Mesmers, in PvE it's because they stand out and each can generate three illusions. In PvP, it's probably because Mesmer is terrible in PvE, so a greater proportion of the Mesmer population is Pvp only, a place where they are actually pretty good.

Edited by Xrylene, 17 September 2012 - 06:05 PM.


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Posted 18 September 2012 - 07:17 AM

View PostXrylene, on 17 September 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

To people who say they see lots of Mesmers, in PvE it's because they stand out and each can generate three illusions. In PvP, it's probably because Mesmer is terrible in PvE, so a greater proportion of the Mesmer population is Pvp only, a place where they are actually pretty good.
This is actually a good point - some professions stand out more than others by their nature. Mesmers and to a lesser extent guardians are hard to miss with all the purple and blue effects, and certain elementalist skills and engineer kits also tend to stick out. Rangers, thieves, warriors and necros, however, can all be pretty easy to miss (or at least not pick what they are) unless you happen to target them, spot a summon, or get a close enough look at one of their relatively higher-visibility skills to identify it.
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#46 Prismatic Zach

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 08:26 AM

There are definitely a lot more Guardians.
I have mained a guardian from the beginning, and I've got to say-- For every 10 guardians, there are only 2-3 that know what they're doing.
I've gone into dungeons with other guardians and they just go full DPS build, no idea what they're doing.
Cant control mobs, cant stay alive, heal mates, use correct shouts, etc.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 08:31 AM

I am indeed seeing alot more warrios running about and they all seem to be using the signet spec...

Im a warrior myself and have never touched the signet spec as its called, from day one i went with the intention of running a defensive support warrior and personally find it more fun :)

Whats hilarious is if you pug a GS warrior with signets into an explorable mode, they drop dead in two hits, makes me grin like the cheshire cat :D

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 02:28 PM

Whoever said heavy armor doesnt give much more over leather or light armor, either doesnt have armor set to the character lever or is a plain noob.

Warriors and guardians are op simply for 2 reasons. 1 they both use heavy armor which naturely makes them tanks without the need to spec traits for it. 2 they dish out about (if not atleast the same) dps as any other "high dps focused" profession or class whatever you want to call it.

I have rolled almost all professions, and i can conclude this from my own experiences.

Example. As a thief i have a harder time beating vets solo than a guardian or warrior. Here are 2 reasons for this. As a thief I deal about the same dps (if not less....) And ofcourse the difference between heavy armor and leather armor.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 02:52 PM

I have played GW1, WoW, FFXI, UO, and a few others.  Primarily I played healing classes or casters and never really enjoyed melee.  Never rolled a warrior as a main.

In GW2 I thought I would play so many other professions but then on a whim I rolled a warrior and just really had a fun time.  I liked the variety of game play based on weapon switching and the plethora of weapons as options.  I am now a level 80 and yes at times I feel squishy but I have a blast and I don't think I face roll things.

I didn't go into it because it was easy but rather I went into it as a change from the norm for me and also because I was having fun both in success and failure.

As I play I learn more and more things and will try a variety of builds and keep it fresh.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 04:22 PM

i got a lv80 mesmer, and now i m playing a lv 46 warrior

warrior is just too good in terms of simplicity and efficiency.

as a mesmer i have to roll around, pay attention to my cds, constantly switching weapons, etc.
as a warrior, i charge in, chopchop and face tank everything.

both classes are fun and i still love my mesmer most, but sometimes after all the tedious work, i do want some mindless faceroll gameplay lol.

Edited by accord, 19 September 2012 - 04:23 PM.


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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:12 PM

It's not just you OP. I've seen a huge increase in guardians. Warriors have always been everywhere in the game, but I have noticed that more and more people are rolling guardian alts.

I'm not surprised at all considering how well warrior and guardian are doing at the moment. Even I tried guardian and it's so fluid compared to say elementalist that it's mind blowing. I already feel I won't need elementalist ever again. Guardian just seem to do everything better. Everything.

Edited by Selene, 19 September 2012 - 09:22 PM.


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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:58 PM

I think it is curious that with all the 'metrics' Anet is splashing around they don't mention class success in PVP.
I think that would be very telling.

My opinion is that all of the classes other than Warrior and Guardian and Ranger are too gimmicky, and play like trying to balance multiple spinning plates.  Just as the days of the trinity are gone, so too, no one wants to play classes that have very restrictive and rube goldberg strategies.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 04:01 AM

View PostItgotbinned, on 18 September 2012 - 08:31 AM, said:

I am indeed seeing alot more warrios running about and they all seem to be using the signet spec...

Im a warrior myself and have never touched the signet spec as its called, from day one i went with the intention of running a defensive support warrior and personally find it more fun :)

Whats hilarious is if you pug a GS warrior with signets into an explorable mode, they drop dead in two hits, makes me grin like the cheshire cat :D

/Binit

How many instance runs have I done where 2 or 3 out of 5 players have 5 yellow circles on red backgrounds next to their name?

Infamous warrior signet spec is just one more reason why they are such a popular profession.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 11:35 AM

View Postrenroval, on 13 September 2012 - 05:44 AM, said:

Wait until people who rolled warriors for easy mode realize that they are the worst class in PvP. They have no roll in spvp. All other classes overshadows them in roles.

Kind of sad.

Will be funny to see all the "buff warriors" threads soon.
Tell that to my Hammer/ Mace + Board based CC Warrior that locks 2 or 3 people out of a point for a good minute or two before going down. Or my shout based Warrior that completely shuts down any build that relies on conditions. Just because some idiots pick Greatsword + Signets because it puts out huge numbers doesn't mean all of us do.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 03:11 PM

View PostLiberis, on 17 September 2012 - 12:52 PM, said:

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I never doubted Warrior, Ranger and Elementalist would top the class charts.
People loves those roles a la Aragorn, Legolas and Gandalf.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 03:59 PM

View Postyoyostar, on 19 September 2012 - 02:28 PM, said:

Whoever said heavy armor doesnt give much more over leather or light armor, either doesnt have armor set to the character lever or is a plain noob.

Warriors and guardians are op simply for 2 reasons. 1 they both use heavy armor which naturely makes them tanks without the need to spec traits for it. 2 they dish out about (if not atleast the same) dps as any other "high dps focused" profession or class whatever you want to call it.

I have rolled almost all professions, and i can conclude this from my own experiences.

Example. As a thief i have a harder time beating vets solo than a guardian or warrior. Here are 2 reasons for this. As a thief I deal about the same dps (if not less....) And ofcourse the difference between heavy armor and leather armor.

unless you are in orr with all of those characters your observations are moot. you will spend more time in orr than any other map (unless you are farming trolls)

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 09:45 PM

View Postaccord, on 19 September 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

i got a lv80 mesmer, and now i m playing a lv 46 warrior

warrior is just too good in terms of simplicity and efficiency.

as a mesmer i have to roll around, pay attention to my cds, constantly switching weapons, etc.
as a warrior, i charge in, chopchop and face tank everything.

both classes are fun and i still love my mesmer most, but sometimes after all the tedious work, i do want some mindless faceroll gameplay lol.

I rolled a Warrior for the same reason. My main is a Thief, but when I get to drinkin alot, or just feel like being a lazy faceroller, Warrior it is lol. Not to mention, I want a toon with a badass set of plate armor down the road (now that I finally play a game with badass looking armor).

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 02:44 PM

Well of ourse that happens since Warriors are just insanly strong in everything they do (except for range) and Guardian are alsways welcome in dungeons. I'm not whining whether they need nerfs (I don't think they do - this is a game and a game needs classes which are easier and some which are harder to play and Warriors - from what I see - are not superior in PVP making them legit).
The only thing which may need improvement are elementalists ... their damage output in PVE is just horrible in comparrison to how much HP they have/ how damn bad their Def ist and how many attunments they have to use on the fly (just talking about PVE here)

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 06:14 PM

It's odd to see Warriors as such viable characters again. I played a Warrior as my main in Guild Wars and through the course of the game they became less and less viable in a group. You saw less and less groups needing Warriors as a tank, except in specific areas such as The Deep. But then, with the addition of added skills in Eye of the North they became even less viable. I wonder if we will see Warriors go down the same slope as Guild Wars 2 progresses. Seeing as the Warrior does seem to be the most overpowered profession from the get-go.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 03:42 AM

Warriors always were powerful in GW1, what really happened is a combination of two things. First, people realised that with enough control or, in some cases, simply outright damage, you didn't really need a tank. (Although warriors didn't need to tank - a dragonslash or earthshaker warrior with Save Yourselves could do plenty to up the team's survivability). Second, when you did need a tank, SF sins just made it too easy.

Third, and perhaps more importantly, people began to realise that in many cases having melee on your team was a bit of a liability. If your fighting a ranged enemy, the point at which they engage may be within or close to the aggro radius of another mob, and even if they aren't to begin with they might retreat into the aggro radius of another group. If the whole team is ranged, it's a lot easier to avoid overpulling and possibly wiping as a result of your melee being in the wrong place at the wrong time - and if they avoid ending up in the wrong place, the alternative might be them being dead weight for a time. This is probably also largely why dervishes and non-SF sins often had trouble finding groups too.

So I don't see that happening for a simple reason - warriors have viable ranged options. If things do develop in the same way, it'll probably be guardians and/or thieves that drop off. (Although the problem with guardian ranged in PvE is, I think, overrated).

Edited by draxynnic, 26 September 2012 - 03:43 AM.

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