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Physical Sustain is the Key[Build]

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#1 randulf

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 09:59 AM

Heya Guys,

I'm presenting you a Build/Guide I was working on since release.
I was all about D/D + SB, because I'm a dagger-fan and I personaly think, that playing w/o shortbow is suicide (+ you are lacking of AOE / condition spread potential)

The Key-Element about the build is:
  • Being able to evade most of the deadly skillshots and/or skills
  • Being "all the time" able to move quick, as a roamer and/or in combat
  • Delivering high damage when you engage w/o being forced to hit those one-trick-pony-10k+-backstabs and stuff


http://gw2skills.net...GbNuak1sgYQwECA

You will find yourself in the situation, that if you don't run into a whole zerg, of you get caught by x stuns in a row there will be ALWAYS a way out of the situation using shadowstep and/or sigil of agility in combination with shortbow to get away.

Furthermore your Buff/Debuffpotantial in a groupfight is relativly high for a thief (not using venoms).

If you use your build correctly you are gonna outsustain s/p d/d bursters easily, while still being able to be a rly strong 1on1 champion.

In teamfights you can deliver amazing aoe dmg while being also able to go in after some seconds, because you don't have to fear getting caught.



Just test it - if you like the Dagger moves it will be fun...
let me know your feedback



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#2 Scarlet_Blossom

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 11:25 AM

So you just Heartseeker away like 90% of all thieves in hotjoins do and run when you get attacked? Nice, thanks for teaching me such an amazing playstyle.

#3 randulf

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 11:11 AM

What the *? I use HS after 33%.

But thanks to teach me how I play my thief.
I don't know whats your freaking problem is. Not everyone using d/d is a noob.

#4 kenkaze

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 10:17 PM

maybe you could explain how you play it out/what your rotation is or what the main part of your damage comes from it will be more helpful. The thief doesn't have too many options in terms of skills for damage

#5 Tracker_X

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 11:39 PM

^ This please.

#6 AdreeasaM

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:41 AM

I would also like to hear how you accomplish this godlike mobility and dodging with just 1 mobility skill.

Edited by AdreeasaM, 13 September 2012 - 06:41 AM.


#7 BreakUrSelf

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:39 AM

Edit. wrong post.sry

Edited by BreakUrSelf, 13 September 2012 - 07:45 AM.


#8 randulf

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 11:38 AM

For my DMG-Rotation I usualy would go for Steal -> C&D -> Backstab -> 3-timescombo

From there on it's very dependant .. the enemy moves? Throw daggers -> hittting for ~3k Crit in PvP to catch up trying to land another BS and / or blossom if their is heavy resistance. By that time the enemy should be at <33% where i start using heartseekers.

The mobility comes from:
  • Stunbreaker @ Agility
  • Shadowstep
  • Infiltrator's Arrow + 20 Points@Trickery for more intiativ
  • 20 Pooints in Acrobatic for Speedbuff and 3 Dodges in a row.
You are basicly able to get out nearly every dangerous situation by breaking -> dodge -> infiltrator -> shadowstep -> infiltrator -> dodge -> infiltrator

If you don't realy oversee a whole zerg in WvWvW you are immortal as long as you are not so stupid getting caught by warriorcharge + TB

Your damage gonna be decent through the whole time (5-6k BS, 1-2k auto attacks and ~5-6k Heartseeker). It's nothing compared to BS-Glasscannon Builds, but if you are able to manage dodging and your evasive shots you gonna last LONG.

Furthermore you go for decent crit/critdamage/power stats so your SB and your Throwing Daggers are hiting like a truck from distance

#9 Franjean

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 10:22 PM

You basically just posted the exact same build as 90% of d/d thieves... but with a different trait here and there.

#10 randulf

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 10:54 AM

So i basicly use other skills and go in other traits than most of the thieves using deadly arts / shadow arts for D/D and i posted the same build? I don't rly get your """critique""". Different skilluse, different traits and you complain about same build ;)

#11 Soki

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 08:57 AM

View PostScarlet_Blossom, on 11 September 2012 - 11:25 AM, said:

So you just Heartseeker away like 90% of all thieves in hotjoins do and run when you get attacked? Nice, thanks for teaching me such an amazing playstyle.
The only reason I can be rude is because I'm always right.
You don't have that luxury :c

#12 Ravnodaus

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 10:07 AM

View PostSoki, on 15 September 2012 - 08:57 AM, said:

The only reason I can be rude is because I'm always right.
You don't have that luxury :c

I like you. Base entirely on this comment alone.

#13 Scarlet_Blossom

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 12:54 PM

View PostSoki, on 15 September 2012 - 08:57 AM, said:

The only reason I can be rude is because I'm always right.
You don't have that luxury :c

That's why I'm not rude in the first place!

#14 Soki

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 12:56 PM

View PostScarlet_Blossom, on 15 September 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:

That's why I'm not rude in the first place!
Oh, but you are.
The knowledge of your very existance is crude, rude, and offensive~

Edited by Soki, 15 September 2012 - 12:57 PM.


#15 Scarlet_Blossom

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 01:00 PM

View PostSoki, on 15 September 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

Oh, but you are.
The knowledge of your very existance is crude, rude, and offensive~

Since you are wrong about my existence you no longer have the right to be rude, sorry.

#16 Soki

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 01:04 PM

View PostScarlet_Blossom, on 15 September 2012 - 01:00 PM, said:

Since you are wrong about my existence you no longer have the right to be rude, sorry.
You don't exist?
But... Here you are!
Jeez.. You're really bad at this.


BUILD'S GOOD. MOVING ON.





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