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#1 Aky

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 08:50 PM



Will do a second part with S/D burst if you like it ^^

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 10:01 PM

Nice vid, could you post your build? Is it a signet-aura build?

I noticed you only have 13k health, so you probably have a metric shitton of toughness? Because you really survive long against multiple opponents in the video.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 01:17 AM

http://gw2skills.net...MyYkwIrROjkGNEB

Signet of Water / Signet of Earth are both viable choices.
Melandru set can be swapped for Dwayna (give up all the signet traits then and use the glyph heal + 30 pts in water magic), Water or Divinity, depending on what you prefer.

iirc I was using Divinity in the video.

Edited by Aky, 12 September 2012 - 01:41 AM.


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Posted 12 September 2012 - 01:51 AM

Well, I roll With an Auramancer Staff ~20k hp. Think melandru is better off on a heavy armor bearer, but it seems to do the trick. Nice vid good playstyle :)

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 02:18 AM

Been running this staff ele build and have had excellent results in spvp.

http://gw2skills.net...uxcj4G7Nubk3MAB

I took skill recharge in the Earth tree due to the fact that there is so much condition removal in this build there was no need for reduced immo/crip/chill, and stack the cantrips for constant regen.  Hydromancy sigil for when people get too close, and dwayna's for healing.

It's a total support build, and if I get caught on my own I literally have to hold them off while trying to shout for help, but I last long enough for backup to arrive.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 03:49 AM

Good vid! decent gameplay on your part.  On your next one, can you NOT speed up the footage? It makes it hard to really analyze your play and give you feedback, or allow others to really learn your play style to incorporate into their own style. I'm sure there are people here that would love to see it slower so they can really analyze what your doing! :)

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 03:57 AM

This is for spvp right? or is it for wvw?

I'm a bit curious about why most of staff elementalists go for tanky/survival build instead of the dps build (fire/air)

I myself am donning 25 fire / 30 air / 15 water

at the moment

not top gear at all, only got 3 exotic (Random ones too)

I try to go for the two-way AE type but now i'm a bit confused

because my attack is around 2800 crit 43% I usually hit enemies with meteor shower for 1.5k~2.5k (3~4k crit) but I've been hit by enemy's meteor showers for 7k a tick before


Would gears make that much difference? If you were to crit meteor shower for 7k how much attack do you need to have? 3500? 4000?

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 07:17 AM

got some skilled opponents there ... thief losing to ele in 2v1 LoooL.
Also its base defender spec right ?

Edited by Att3r0, 12 September 2012 - 07:18 AM.


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Posted 12 September 2012 - 07:50 AM

View PostRimirara, on 12 September 2012 - 03:57 AM, said:

This is for spvp right? or is it for wvw?

I'm a bit curious about why most of staff elementalists go for tanky/survival build instead of the dps build (fire/air)


Because you can't contest points with a glasscannon build.

View PostAky, on 12 September 2012 - 01:17 AM, said:

http://gw2skills.net...MyYkwIrROjkGNEB

Signet of Water / Signet of Earth are both viable choices.
Melandru set can be swapped for Dwayna (give up all the signet traits then and use the glyph heal + 30 pts in water magic), Water or Divinity, depending on what you prefer.

iirc I was using Divinity in the video.

Oh nice, you have like what, +~1000 healing? How much did the passive from RestoSignet heal you for? I always go for high vitality builds but after seeing your vid I'll try out some low health high toughness high healing build myself. Looks really fun.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 07:54 AM

EU Riverside, right?

Ich would disable these "AOE-Target-Rings" for faster casting.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 07:55 AM

View PostSonnicsoon, on 12 September 2012 - 07:54 AM, said:

EU Riverside, right?

Ich would disable these "AOE-Target-Rings" for faster casting.

With fast casting you can never cancel a cast, and with doubletapping the hotkey casting with the targetcircle is fast enough IMHO.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 07:57 AM

But Riverside is right? Played against you several Times as Cond. Necro.

I guess everyone has his own Opinion about that.

Edited by Sonnicsoon, 12 September 2012 - 07:58 AM.


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Posted 12 September 2012 - 09:54 AM

View PostAetherMcLoud, on 12 September 2012 - 07:50 AM, said:

Because you can't contest points with a glasscannon build.


In terms of spvp or 1 on 1 I agree but in wvw or larger scaled battles a glass cannon staff build is just as good,

HOWEVER,

I am slowly getting frustrated with our casting speed and spell attack speed

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 12:57 PM

View PostImporeino, on 12 September 2012 - 01:51 AM, said:

Well, I roll With an Auramancer Staff ~20k hp. Think melandru is better off on a heavy armor bearer, but it seems to do the trick. Nice vid good playstyle :)
Thanks. There is actually nothing special about Melandru why only HA users should wear it. It's just Toughness, -25% stun duration and -25% condition duration. Due to the nature of this build you are very vulnerable to condition damage builds but strong against Power builds. That's why Melandru is good to reduce the condition duration. I even picked Signet of Water just to survive longer against cond dmg builds.

View PostTato, on 12 September 2012 - 03:49 AM, said:

Good vid! decent gameplay on your part.  On your next one, can you NOT speed up the footage? It makes it hard to really analyze your play and give you feedback, or allow others to really learn your play style to incorporate into their own style. I'm sure there are people here that would love to see it slower so they can really analyze what your doing! :)
Alright, I'll slow it down a bit on the next one - but the default Elementalist attack + cast speed are just way too slow for entertaining videos.

View PostRimirara, on 12 September 2012 - 03:57 AM, said:

because my attack is around 2800 crit 43% I usually hit enemies with meteor shower for 1.5k~2.5k (3~4k crit) but I've been hit by enemy's meteor showers for 7k a tick before

Would gears make that much difference? If you were to crit meteor shower for 7k how much attack do you need to have? 3500? 4000?
Meteor in an sPvP 1v1 match will never crit for 7k, maybe if your opponent is naked?
Highest crit I got with Meteors was 4-5k and that's when I had ~4.390 Attack on a nuking build.

Why most Staff users go survival instead of dps? I can answer that. Staff has more CC + snares. Of course S/F also has some good CCs but if you want Frozen Ground (one of my favourite CC spells in the game) you're gonna roll with a Staff.

Staff DPS glass cannon build works perfectly fine. 2-3k auto attack crits and 4k+ meteors can be devastating. However 1.) from my experience there is always enough damage in a teamfight and 2.) if you get focused down by a thief who knows what he is doing and keeps looking for you you're useless for the whole fight.

The problem about glass cannon builds in GW2 tournaments is simply that the matches have a long duration leaving the enemies time to analyze which builds you are playing - which is great in my opinion.

So let's say you play glass cannon.

You wreck havoc in that first Graveyard fight with a Pentakill Flame Burst + Meteor Shower + Sandstorm.

Now the enemies analyze what they have been killed by and what build you are on.

The next fight - unless they are...stupid... - they're gonna instantly focus you down no matter how good your positioning is. You're gonna be the focus. Number 1 dead. You're gonna be completely *useless* against good enemy teams.

That's why glass cannon eles work well in Hot Join where there is no team communication but simply won't work in High Level Tournament Play.

View PostAetherMcLoud, on 12 September 2012 - 07:50 AM, said:

Oh nice, you have like what, +~1000 healing? How much did the passive from RestoSignet heal you for? I always go for high vitality builds but after seeing your vid I'll try out some low health high toughness high healing build myself. Looks really fun.
It's around ~1k, yes. The build is strong against direct damage builds but loses to strong condition damage builds, e.g. Ranger / Necro.
200+ bleeding hits ticking for double my health really aren't fun.
That's the reason why Melandru set and Signet of Water are a must have if you have condi dmg enemies on the enemy side so you can survive longer.

View PostSonnicsoon, on 12 September 2012 - 07:54 AM, said:

EU Riverside, right?

Ich would disable these "AOE-Target-Rings" for faster casting.
EU Riverside is correct.

However Fast Cast is an absolute no-go for Staff Elementalists (not on other classes) because you simply need more AoE control. You will never set up Static Fields as well as someone who disabled Fast Cast. Even on the Earth cripple field I often find myself repositioning it from the initial idea / location. Staff Elementalist + Fast Cast = not good. On other classes it's awesome and saves you time, I agree.

Edited by Aky, 12 September 2012 - 12:58 PM.


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Posted 12 September 2012 - 03:18 PM

This is a great video but if you could slow it down it would be much appreciated.

Do you think you can spend a bit of time explaining the timing of your attacks and combos that you make? I'm curious as to when you put down the static field and lava burst and what else.

:)

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 05:05 PM

Possibly  a noob question here but I have to ask it. Really enjoying the Ele pvp setup, tried various builds mostly with staff and I have been viewing other builds that have been posted. In probably 75% of these the Ele's are equipping weapon sigils that have a benefit "after swapping to this weapon in combat". Maybe I am missing something but afaik Ele's do not swap weapons mid combat. So whats the meaning of the sigils like yours? I am probably missing something.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 05:38 PM

View PostFrunch, on 12 September 2012 - 05:05 PM, said:

Possibly  a noob question here but I have to ask it. Really enjoying the Ele pvp setup, tried various builds mostly with staff and I have been viewing other builds that have been posted. In probably 75% of these the Ele's are equipping weapon sigils that have a benefit "after swapping to this weapon in combat". Maybe I am missing something but afaik Ele's do not swap weapons mid combat. So whats the meaning of the sigils like yours? I am probably missing something.
Have a look at the number of might stacks:



From what I've read it's on an ~8 sec cd.

Edited by Aky, 12 September 2012 - 05:38 PM.


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Posted 12 September 2012 - 05:59 PM

Lol just needed to say Attunement switch = Weapon swap but thanks for the video. The possibilities are endless now so many more things to try but I bet the might sigil is still the better bet. Thanks for the info.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 06:57 PM

I love the Hydromancy sigil to shake off pesky thieves.  You're attunement switching so often it will proc several times during long point capture fights. Leaving a nice chill in your wake is fantastic.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 04:04 PM

I can't find the name of the first song, its driving me crazy.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 06:16 PM

Was a pretty good staff ele video, I liked it. When I roll staff I just go full tanky support and not even bother with picking up anything damage-wise, but good build and good vid XD

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 04:01 PM

OMG, I just tried this build out in sPVP today ... insane! Works extremely well and is very tough.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 04:12 PM

View PostRenegadeJr, on 18 September 2012 - 04:01 PM, said:

OMG, I just tried this build out in sPVP today ... insane! Works extremely well and is very tough.
^^

You're still using the old version of the build, though?
I'm running an updated version nowadays with Double Elementals:

http://www.guildwars...tralizer-build/

This is even more sick than my old build.

Summon Water Elite + Lesser Fire for a mix of crazy heal + some dmg.
Summon 2 Fire Elementals for pure Mesmer-style ownage.

View PostRotm, on 17 September 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

I can't find the name of the first song, its driving me crazy.

Edited by Aky, 18 September 2012 - 04:27 PM.


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Posted 18 September 2012 - 08:06 PM

Thanks, can't wait to try this out!





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