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[Rankith]

So I always assumed Runes were way better then Jewels to put in your armor.  Turns out that was an incorrect assumption.  Not only can you get similar/better stats from jewels, they are also waaaay cheaper than any of the good DPS runes.  Here are some comparisons:

6x Ruby Orb(http://www.gw2db.com...6418-ruby-orb-s) (~14s each or ~84s for full set): 120 power, 12% crit damage, 84 precision

6x Superior Rune of the Scholar(http://www.gw2db.com...-of-the-scholar) (~1.5g each or ~9g for full set): 165 power, 8% crit damage, 10% damage if near full hp.

6x Superior Rune of the Eagle(http://www.gw2db.com...ne-of-the-eagle)(~1.5g each or ~9g for full set): 165 Precision, 8% crit damage, 5% damage vs low hp targets.

As you can see in both those cases you can spend less then 1g as opposed to almost 10g and get stats that are just as good and maybe better.  This is just with a normal yellow orb.  If you take an orb+ecto+orichalcum you can make it even better and get:

Exquisite Ruby Jewel(http://www.gw2db.com...te-ruby-jewel-s)(craft it or ~50s TP or ~3g for full set): 150 power, 18% crit damage,   90 Precision.

That is just straight up BETTER than any dps rune and still way, way cheaper than a full rune set.  Not sure if you can socket these ones though as I dont have any.

This same thing applies to condition damage runes/gems too but the condi damge runes are alot cheaper anyways.

TL;DR: You can socket cheap jewels such as ruby orbs or exquisite ruby jewels in your armor instead of runes to save money and get better stats than the runes give.

Edited by Rankith, 14 September 2012 - 01:19 AM.

[blindude]

but people go for runes for the effects not only for stats

[Rankith]

blindude, on 14 September 2012 - 12:56 AM, said:

but people go for runes for the effects not only for stats

This may be true for some quirkier ones, or support builds.  But if you want to do damage, raw stats are better in most situations.

[Bear Storm]

Magic Find is better from Runes.

[Kerdain]

I like my parrot.

[Red_Falcon]

I prefer Forge Runes, even though they are bugged for now so you don't get the full effectiveness (20% prot duration doesn't work).

[StaplerPie]

Exquisite jewels only go in trinkets, not armor.

As others have mentioned, people usually get runes for the special 6 piece effect.

[Chernobyl56]

I see it as min-maxing purposes. Sure the difference might be small, but eventually that slight difference might lead you to wining a fight you may have lost.

[StevenPalaci]

Magic Find is better from Runes.

[Itharius]

blindude, on 14 September 2012 - 12:56 AM, said:

but people go for runes for the effects not only for stats

This.

Also, jewels only go in accessories/rings/amulets.

Edited by Itharius, 14 September 2012 - 11:49 PM.

[Matsy]

Itharius, on 14 September 2012 - 11:48 PM, said:

Also, jewels only go in accessories/rings/amulets.

Thats Exquisite jewels, normal ruby orbs can go in armor.

[Alexandriea]

I also considered Ruby Orbs given their cost-effectiveness ratio. Comparing a similar Rune (Eagle), we need to assess if the 6-set bonus from the rune itself offsets the Power bonus from the orbs.

[Malachi Draven]

Kerdain, on 14 September 2012 - 02:15 AM, said:

I like my parrot.

You could get another 10% Magic Find by using only 5 Pirate runes and 1 other magic find rune.

[Animal84]

Most of you are correct.  People that buy gold from gold sellers prefer the runes for their effect.

This post will help a lot of people.  I do the same thing.

[Darkobra]

Animal84, on 15 September 2012 - 10:45 AM, said:

Most of you are correct.  People that buy gold from gold sellers prefer the runes for their effect.

This post will help a lot of people.  I do the same thing.

Did you just bring gold sellers into this and then admit you buy from them? Because I read everything and nobody even referred to it before you.

Still, I suppose if you think it's outlandish that people can actually make 10 gold in this game the legitimate way too.

[Shadowrose]

I guess normal runes are better until you get a superior set? (Edit: even then, it depends on the set)

I did the mistake of getting some major worthless set, and noted an overall decrease in my stats lol

Edited by Shadowrose, 15 September 2012 - 01:19 PM.

[aop]

Malachi Draven, on 15 September 2012 - 06:50 AM, said:

You could get another 10% Magic Find by using only 5 Pirate runes and 1 other magic find rune.

But you don't get the parrot if you do that.

[Tribunic]

You can't put orbs into helmets, shoulders, boots and coats anymore...

Edited by Tribunic, 02 October 2012 - 02:24 PM.

[Waar Kijk Je Naar]

Tribunic, on 02 October 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:

You can't put orbs into helmets, shoulders, boots and coats anymore...

Really? Was still possible yesterday and there's nothing mentioning this in the patch notes. If true, I wonder what happened to my stuff, as all my armor/weapons have orbs on them )

(not at home atm so can't check for myself)

[Vysander]

Animal84, on 15 September 2012 - 10:45 AM, said:

Most of you are correct.  People that buy gold from gold sellers prefer the runes for their effect.

This post will help a lot of people.  I do the same thing.

huh?

How do those two relate.... ive got three exotic sets with different rune sets, and have never bought gold...... Is this you saying you buy gold?

[GnomGnomGnom]

Animal84, on 15 September 2012 - 10:45 AM, said:

Most of you are correct.  People that buy gold from gold sellers prefer the runes for their effect.

This post will help a lot of people.  I do the same thing.

What a pretentious comment. I have never bought gold and I have Dusk + 250 ectos + ~20g in crafting mats, and 60g in my bank. I have 8 Superior Runes of Divinity lying around as a mini reservoir against inflation. I only play about 4 hours a day too.

Learn 2 Play.

Also there are plenty of runes that are WAY better because of their effects than just ordinary stat runes. Superior Runes of the Monk, for instance, give everyone in your group Aegis for your ult. How much damage can be prevented for 5 members of a group with one good Aegis? Enough Hp worth several thousand vitality points. Is the stat boost on any of the runes going to save the group? No. Lets not even mention how much damage can be prevented during a DE.

Even OP's Rune of the Scholar comparison is invalid. Each 1% increase in damage is at least worth 35 power so you are looking at 400 power with 8% crit given the correct conditions, which is much more than the ruby orbs. Rune of the eagle is a more close comparison but that is one of the weaker pure-stat runes.

Another benefit of runes is that you can min/max your stats. An elementalist that carries Arcane Power would not want to be forced into the precision stat.

If you are low on cash, it is a very good purchase. Was if orbs were changed this patch. But don't write some ludicrous comment on Runes being crappy and and sladering Rune users without any forethought.

Edited by GnomGnomGnom, 02 October 2012 - 03:20 PM.

[Elcee]

I think part of the problem is the #6 of a lot of Rune sets are either underpowered, burdened with a huge recharge, or usually both, which makes it not worthwhile to even consider half of them.

[Woutman]

GnomGnomGnom, on 02 October 2012 - 03:05 PM, said:

Also there are plenty of runes that are WAY better because of their effects than just ordinary stat runes. Superior Runes of the Monk, for instance, give everyone in your group Aegis for your ult. How much damage can be prevented for 5 members of a group with one good Aegis? Enough Hp worth several thousand vitality points. Is the stat boost on any of the runes going to save the group? No. Lets not even mention how much damage can be prevented during a DE.

Even OP's Rune of the Scholar comparison is invalid. Each 1% increase in damage is at least worth 35 power so you are looking at 400 power with 8% crit given the correct conditions, which is much more than the ruby orbs. Rune of the eagle is a more close comparison but that is one of the weaker pure-stat runes.

Comparing runes with orbs under optimal conditions isn't really fair. Orbs give a more reliable result than Runes, which I would prefer. You can't control when your Aegis triggers and how often are you above 90% health in a fight where stats matter? Personally, I prefer dependable stats to these wild cards, but to each his own I guess.

[Strife025]

For pure damage maybe, but orbs can't even compare to some of the defensive and utility sets.

215 defensive stats and shouts remove conditions is way more useful then 288 stats (and you can't get toughness and vitality on the same orb).

[Red_Falcon]

Ruby jewels seem the only good ones to me, though divinity runes also give 12% crit dmg so it's pretty much the same.
Rune of the Thief in PvE is better than 12% crit dmg imo as it's 10% flat on ALL your damage providing you attack from the back (which is pretty standard in dungeons).

As for defensive things, Runes >>>>>>> Jewels.
Forge gives 12s protection below 50% health, Earth gives Magnetic Shield @ 20%, Monk gives Aegis, and so on.
Those are real tide-turners.

[Linfang]

aop, on 15 September 2012 - 03:54 PM, said:

But you don't get the parrot if you do that.

You sir win the internets. This is why I also have the full set, it is my ghetto version of the Pirate outfit in the gemstore.

[Sans]

Which orb gives me all boons and removes all conditions when I use my elite?

[Heineken]

GnomGnomGnom, on 02 October 2012 - 03:05 PM, said:

What a pretentious comment. I have never bought gold and I have Dusk + 250 ectos + ~20g in crafting mats, and 60g in my bank. I have 8 Superior Runes of Divinity lying around as a mini reservoir against inflation. I only play about 4 hours a day too.

Learn 2 Play.

Also there are plenty of runes that are WAY better because of their effects than just ordinary stat runes. Superior Runes of the Monk, for instance, give everyone in your group Aegis for your ult. How much damage can be prevented for 5 members of a group with one good Aegis? Enough Hp worth several thousand vitality points. Is the stat boost on any of the runes going to save the group? No. Lets not even mention how much damage can be prevented during a DE.

Even OP's Rune of the Scholar comparison is invalid. Each 1% increase in damage is at least worth 35 power so you are looking at 400 power with 8% crit given the correct conditions, which is much more than the ruby orbs. Rune of the eagle is a more close comparison but that is one of the weaker pure-stat runes.

Another benefit of runes is that you can min/max your stats. An elementalist that carries Arcane Power would not want to be forced into the precision stat.

If you are low on cash, it is a very good purchase. Was if orbs were changed this patch. But don't write some ludicrous comment on Runes being crappy and and sladering Rune users without any forethought.

4 hours a day, 152~ hours total? What is this. Teach me how to play.

[Limbo]

Tribunic, on 02 October 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:

You can't put orbs into helmets, shoulders, boots and coats anymore...

This is false.

[GnomGnomGnom]

I played about 12 hours a day the first two weeks and it slowly dropped off but these days only log onto about 4 hours every day.

When the auction house first came up, I took advantage of the lack of knowledge people have, and bought many many -of divinity exotics. This was when they were only 35s each and Superior runes of divinity were about 2 gold. This gradually dropped, but that netted me a very low cost Dusk (15 gold) as well as Armorsmithing and Weaponsmithing to 400/400. I used this to accumulate even more money by crafting exotic weapons. Fyi this is the first week when TP was stable. I had about 60g after the first two days of TP and quickly climbed. I traded gold for BL Salvage kits and had a truckload of ectos and Runes.

These days I log in to do Orr until my DR kicks in, with ~120 MF. Then I run ~3x 30 minute dungeon paths with guildmates. Afterwards, I would do Orr until my DR kicks in again. This averages ~5-10 rares a.k.a. ~5-10 ectos, trash loot, and another 1.5g from the 3 dungeons combined.

You guys all seek some kind of cheap farming spot or formula and point fingers at people exploiting when you could have just played smart and/or have some persistence. Of course many people have exploited or used bots, but not Everyone. It seems like gw2guru has become some kind of crazed witch hunt. Anyone could have done what I have written above. I'd like someone to point out exactly how I exploited. Whenever I log onto this forum, I instantly see someone complain about some exploit or another where people have just discovered a niche recipe and made money off of it. Even right now there are plenty of opportunities to make money. Whine whine whine.

Just run some dungeons a day, get a few dungeon exp levels, use the skill points to upgrade some crafting materials in mystic forge or something else, and you will basically have more than 4 gold every single day. This is another option on top of the millions of other things that you can attempt. Do this for a month and you'll easily have more than 100 gold. Is it that hard? With the 3 dungeon paths that you run, all your gear can be bought with Dungeon Tokens (except Accessories) and you don't even need to spend money on the TP except for jewelry.

Hell, saving money is important too. Compulsive spenders waste piles of gold on exotics from the TP and wonder why they don't have money. I've been wearing my rare quality MF gear for the last 4 weeks and only today got my first exotic 80 dungeon chest and legs from HoTW. Yesterday I got 2 weapons from Tokens too. The only 80 exotic I had before that was a crafted Pearl Berserker weapon.

(Also I know I couldn't math in my first post.)

Edited by GnomGnomGnom, 02 October 2012 - 09:22 PM.