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#1 takarazuka

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 03:49 PM

Updates:
8/29/2013 - Large update of build and mechanics
3/19/2013 - Added ascended items
3/11/2013 - Updated gear spreadsheet to reflect new setup.
3/9/2013 - Added BuildCraft link
3/7/2013 - Updated gear section, added in rotation/priorities, moved weapon/trait overview
3/6/2013 - Minor tweaks and clarification changes
3/5/2013 - Overall revamp of the guide and added in updated armor spreadsheet (still not final)


THE BUILD

http://intothemists....B;9;8FTsFT7-kYP

The build is built around Spite and Blood Magic.  It is a hybrid between a glass cannon build and a vampiric... utilizing strong traits from both to allow for some survivability while also having high damage.  It does require some skill to play since you are in melee range and need to learn to actively dodge attacks and use your /warhorn to its full effect.

Pros:
  • Fast, high damage attacks along with wells make for short duration fights
  • Several healing abilities help with HP regen while in combat
  • No concern over bleed caps and other condition-based classes minimizing your damage
  • Durability and survivability
  • High crit chance, crit damage, and power
Cons:
  • Melee range combat is not favorable to cloth-wearers
  • Wells on cooldown cause your overall damage to decrease and fights will take longer
Here is an overview of abilities and traits with this build and what they do for you:

Trait Lines and Choices
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Weapons - Dagger/Focus
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Utility Wells
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Other Utilities
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There are several possibilities for variations in the build and it still being viable.  As I test them and find if they work well enough, I will post them at the bottom of the guide.


STATS AND GEAR

This is where you can really mix things up.  This build is very flexible depending on how you want to play it really and there are very few wrong ways (just don't pick up any condition gear and you're okay!).  Mostly I would suggest Knight's if you want to beef up your defensive ability and play a stronger bunker style.  Berserker's gear will also work for more damage, but you will be slightly squishier though not as bad as a glass cannon.  Over time with the game, I have changed my views on being very strict on certain gear to more of a "do what you feel comfortable with" attitude... so go for what you think you can do!

Gear Specifics
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HOW DOES IT WORK?

This build is all about direct damage, critical hits, and power-based attacks.  No waiting to stack a certain number of bleeds or poisons... no praying your minions get the idea that they something should do.  You are in control and can dish out all the damage as fast or slow as you want.

Your utility setup is flexible depending on the situation.  There are two abilities that are somewhat core to the build - Well of Suffering and Blood is Power.  Your third slot is where you can get creative and gives you some versatility in fights.

Basic Rotation and Priorities
  • Your first goal is to drop wells.  You need to start ticking damage and having Well of Suffering apply vulnerability to your target.  Toss down Well of Corruption about halfway through WoS to stagger them some and have a longer duration of wells ticking on the target.
  • Once your wells are down, prioritize your abilities based on the situation.  Are you fighting a veteran or boss?  Throw on Blood is Power to gain Might.  In a nice aoe situation?  Pop Death Shroud and Life Transfer to melt their health bars down.  You have a nice array of abilities to use in various situations so just take in to account how long the fight will last and what you are fighting and go from there.
  • Use warhorn to interrupt abilities like knockdowns which are highly aggravating.... I am looking at you Risen Farmers in Orr.
  • Ranged mobs tend to try and run away to put distance between you.... use your lockdown ability on the dagger to root them and rush in for the kill.
  • Don't be afraid to use Life Siphon on your dagger.  It actually does a LOT of damage and you can gain some decent health back from it (though not nearly as much as your actual heal).

ADDITIONAL POWER/CONDITION AOE BUILD WITH NOTES BY KELEVRA_86
http://www.guildwars...90#entry2122881

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 10:43 PM

This seems like an interesting build, thanks for posting it. I am currently debating between a power build, which would probably be this one because I hate the axe builds, and a condition/well build.

The only thing I'm worried about is, comparing this to a condition build, this would have you in melee range a lot more. This seems dangerous in many situations. Also, would this be viable in WvW? How does the damage compare to a condition build?

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 12:51 AM

Focus is a terible weapon for multiple enemies, especially normal mobs.

Vulnerability stacking is only worth it if you manage to kill 1 or more hits quicker. Stacking 9 on a group event boss so everyone does more damage is where focus 4 is very good.
When you are versing mobs it just does not work the bouncing splits so only end up with 3 stacks of 3. The benifit of 3 percent extra damage will more often than not be lost in the overkill from final attack or bleed tick.

5 is slow to cast and single target and is again ok vs a tough single targets but just weak vs mobs again. It is not a good gap closer either.
You already have access to far better gap closer: Dark Path followed by Dark Pact if needed.
The necro has plenty of other psudo gap closers avalible or you can swich weapons for that group of mobs.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 05:36 AM

I am going to update the post a bit after playing with warhorn in offhand all night.  I have found it to be MUCH better and really understand why people lean towards that rather than focus.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 02:53 PM

Hi, I cant open your build. May oyu please use another calculator for your traits? Thaks.

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 02:23 PM

I can't seem to open the build website. Is it possible incan view it somewhere else?

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 10:40 PM

The post has been updated with a new build and information..... I have since tested, and loved, Warhorns over Focus.  You have a lot more control over fights and Locust Swarm has proved to be a very potent tool.

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 11:06 PM

Can you link your build with a different build calculator? That website hasn't worked for me all week.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 02:16 PM

Try that - it was still linking back to GW2 Skills for some reason instead of the GW2DB.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 03:18 PM

Question concerning newbies using the build:

How viable is this before you can unlock some of the key traits? Would you recommend using a different build for early leveling before specing into this one?

If not, how would you go about traiting during early leveling? (We're talking lvls 10-30 here.)

At the moment I've been leveling with a standard conditions build--but I like the idea of a power build. Early on, swapping out equipment isn't expensive, but I'd like to get an idea of when to "commit" to a particular build.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 04:14 PM

I used this build from level 1 all the way through 80.  The mobs in the early zones (1-25 or so) are easy to kill even without a robust trait line set up.  Here are some tips for early levels:
  • Prior to level 40 and the Tier 2 line, put points in the trees in this order Spite -> Blood Magic -> Curses. Afterwards, focus on Blood Magic to 20 points and then finish out the Spite tree all the way to 30.  Grabbing Vampiric is a must as soon as possible for the constant health leeching.
  • Grab Well of Suffering and Bone Minions as your early utility skills.  The Putrid Explosion from the minion does very nice damage and will last a long time while you level up and get the other skills.
  • Use warhorn effectively and will save your life a LOT!  Gathering up mobs and dazing them gives you time to put up Locust Swarm so you get ticks of health with Vampiric and plenty of damage going around.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 10:23 PM

View Posttakarazuka, on 02 October 2012 - 04:14 PM, said:

I used this build from level 1 all the way through 80.  The mobs in the early zones (1-25 or so) are easy to kill even without a robust trait line set up.  Here are some tips for early levels:
  • Prior to level 40 and the Tier 2 line, put points in the trees in this order Spite -> Blood Magic -> Curses. Afterwards, focus on Blood Magic to 20 points and then finish out the Spite tree all the way to 30.  Grabbing Vampiric is a must as soon as possible for the constant health leeching.
  • Grab Well of Suffering and Bone Minions as your early utility skills.  The Putrid Explosion from the minion does very nice damage and will last a long time while you level up and get the other skills.
  • Use warhorn effectively and will save your life a LOT!  Gathering up mobs and dazing them gives you time to put up Locust Swarm so you get ticks of health with Vampiric and plenty of damage going around.

In another thread you mentioned swapping out bone minions with BiP, are you recommending that switch for your build above?

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 11:50 PM

View Postoldweasel, on 02 October 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

In another thread you mentioned swapping out bone minions with BiP, are you recommending that switch for your build above?

Remains to be seen... someone presented some math to show that over 1 minute BM damage is MUCH higher but based it on base level bleed damage with no condition damage included.  I am not a theorycrafter, but I am venturing a guess that total damage from the 350 additional power on your attacks and wells coupled with the bleed from BiP is going to be higher.

I may sit down and try to work on that later...

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 04:54 PM

Hey there, new to the game just did some pvp with some classes to get the hang out of the game.
Starting tomorrow My gf and I will start playing together, she will be ranger.

One of the classes I consider to play with her is the Necromancer. Ive been keeping an eye on different topics of different classes for a few days now. I dont like any condition builds from what ive read so If i go necromancer I will probably take a minion build or this build.

Tho I read that since the recent patch BLOOD IS POWER is now kind of mandatory in a power build for necros, may I know why you dont have it ( i see you updated your post the first of october)

Sorry if I missed it somewhere, still new to all this, my highest char is lvl 2.

Tips are more then welcome aswell!

As for the rest, kudos to the guide, itll be the one Ill most likely follow if I decide to be a necro

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 04:58 PM

We've been having a little debate on whether Blood is Power is actually beneficial in it's numbers compared to Putrid Explosion (the secondary ability from Bone Minions) - http://www.guildwars...ith-the-design/

Short version - over a one minute period you do 9,552 damage with the Explosion compared to 6,260 damage from Blood is Power's bleed.  However, my argument is the cumulative effect of the 10 stacks of might for 350 power total increases all of your abilities and is an overall boost in damage beyond the Explosion damage.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 05:02 PM

Alright, thanks for your response. Also saw in a post made before mine that he mentioned the skill already, I failed to realise that BIP = Blood Is Power.

Would you thus suggest me to roll a Human Necro , following this build while my gf will be playing a Ranger?

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 05:15 PM

If you're looking to play something other than condition then yes.... minion builds are not very attractive at the moment due to the extremely poor AI.  Just one thing on this build... I have been so focused on PVE that I have yet to go in to WvW with it (I do not do sPVP at all) to see how it does.  I cannot say whether it will be any good in a WvW situation.... I do plan on testing it soon though and playing around with it more.

This build and trying to create a viable all-around playstyle with it has become a goal for me... hopefully it continues to do well for anyone who tries it out!

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 05:24 PM

View Posttakarazuka, on 03 October 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

If you're looking to play something other than condition then yes.... minion builds are not very attractive at the moment due to the extremely poor AI.  Just one thing on this build... I have been so focused on PVE that I have yet to go in to WvW with it (I do not do sPVP at all) to see how it does.  I cannot say whether it will be any good in a WvW situation.... I do plan on testing it soon though and playing around with it more.

This build and trying to create a viable all-around playstyle with it has become a goal for me... hopefully it continues to do well for anyone who tries it out!

Well I will most likely do your Power build. Is it really bad if someday I would take a condition build for the necro to duo with her ranger?
As for SPvP I will have other classes for that, im mainly looking for a class to level up with her 1-80 wich is also viable in WvWvW later (Wich by then i can figure out builds for it)

Thanks for your help!

So now its a close call between a Power necro + Ranger or a Thief (D+D/SB) + Ranger. No looking for a "OP" Duo, but something fun that also synergise well together.

If I do roll necro, you will probably hear more from me! :P

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 05:27 PM

If your power is truly 1216 (as indicated by the build calculator), BiP (= 10 stacks of might) increases your damage output by 29%.

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Compare that increase to the relative increase (which I've not calculated) you get from bone minions (which strikes me as very unreliable). You need to adjust for uptimes too.

I would look at replacing Well of Corruption as well; it's not great in PvE. I'm not sure what to replace it with though; Signet of Spite's bonus is probably not worth the tradeoff since 90 power after BiP is going to be meagre.

I'm not sure 20 in Curses is really worth it; yeah the precision bonus is nice, but Toughness is very desirable for a Necro. The increase to Boon duration also adds seconds onto BiP's might.

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Definitely Lich Form over Flesh Golem; that shit's laughable.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 06:12 AM

After doing some testing in the mists and reading a few posts.  I really like the idea behind this build, but I have to agree with xenomortis.  On paper anyway, it seems if your going to put points in curses you may as well do the hybrid spec.  Personally I am not a fan, I find that focusing on both stretches you to thing and makes survival very difficult.  

this is purly theory craft and designed for PVE but I was thinking

http://www.gw2db.com...|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|

Gear woudl focus on power/precision and vit/toughness.  Couldnt think of a third skill, I picked epidemic because chances are unless you are truly solo, conditions will be on the enemy, might as well spread em.  Plus you can time it with your heal so you get healed for more.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 02:47 PM

View PostXenomortis, on 03 October 2012 - 05:27 PM, said:

If your power is truly 1216 (as indicated by the build calculator), BiP (= 10 stacks of might) increases your damage output by 29%.

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Compare that increase to the relative increase (which I've not calculated) you get from bone minions (which strikes me as very unreliable). You need to adjust for uptimes too.

I would look at replacing Well of Corruption as well; it's not great in PvE. I'm not sure what to replace it with though; Signet of Spite's bonus is probably not worth the tradeoff since 90 power after BiP is going to be meagre.

I'm not sure 20 in Curses is really worth it; yeah the precision bonus is nice, but Toughness is very desirable for a Necro. The increase to Boon duration also adds seconds onto BiP's might.

Edit:
Definitely Lich Form over Flesh Golem; that shit's laughable.

Never go off the build calculator's stats.... it shows stat numbers without gear.  If you equip the Berserker's amulet in the equipment tab, it gives you the proper stats.  Power is at 2014 (though your actual mileage may vary depending on actual gear) with it on - I will post my actual stats tonight when I get home from work.

The primary reason for curses is to grab Banshee's Wail for your warhorn.  Locust Swarm is a very strong ability and the more you have it up the better.  You also get a small damage increase from Barbed Precision, though it isn't amazing.  Aside from toughness in Death Magic, what else is there that outweighs that?  You could get the protection ability from wells and retaliation... defensive abilities. Yes, it could be an alternate to this build if you wanted to go more defensive - it is totally doable.  In that case here is an alternate "defense" build:

http://www.gw2db.com...|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|

So now you have a choice between survivability or pure offense.  Personally, I have not had the need for an extra 200 toughness and the defensive traits, but others may find they could use it.  Play around with both and see what works best for you in that case.

In regards to WoC... why replace it if you don't even know yourself what to replace it with?  Assuming you switch out Bone Minion for BiP, Bone Minion doesn't produce the same damage in the cooldown time of -20% recharged Wells.  There are no other high damage skills so just keep what works.

On Flesh Golem - he works great for solo play where you have no need for a 240s cooldown elite like Lich Form or Plague.  No he isn't the most intelligent and he runs off a lot, but he does some decent damage and the knockdown is very handy.  In group events and bosses... definitely Lich Form no doubt about that.

View Postgingexg, on 05 October 2012 - 06:12 AM, said:

After doing some testing in the mists and reading a few posts.  I really like the idea behind this build, but I have to agree with xenomortis.  On paper anyway, it seems if your going to put points in curses you may as well do the hybrid spec.  Personally I am not a fan, I find that focusing on both stretches you to thing and makes survival very difficult.  

this is purly theory craft and designed for PVE but I was thinking

http://www.gw2db.com...|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|

Gear woudl focus on power/precision and vit/toughness.  Couldnt think of a third skill, I picked epidemic because chances are unless you are truly solo, conditions will be on the enemy, might as well spread em.  Plus you can time it with your heal so you get healed for more.

A hybrid spec won't work at all as you said... it's too spread out.  In my spec you only gain 200 condition damage from Curses so it's not enough to warrant calling it "hybrid".  The gear you mentioned is exactly the same as I did for the power build so what's the difference?  The only change from the build I am using at the moment (includes BiP) is you added in Epidemic which is a possibility with BiP.  I may try it out tonight... could be interesting.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 08:28 PM

I have been (not working) today and thinking about gear choices for this build and alternatives people might be looking for.  While the Berserker/Ruby (jewelcrafting) set is ideal, it is somewhat of a glass cannon setup.  You have a ton of power/precision but totally lack any toughness/vitality that people seem to be looking for as well.  My current gear setup is a mix of Knight (power/precision/tough) and Berserker (power/precision/crit dmg) with a mix of similar stats on the accessories.

I am looking at all of the Orr temple gear you buy with karma - the 42k pieces.  At first I was kind of "eh" with but I printed out a spreadsheet of stats and started thinking about it.  If you picked up all of the Power/Toughness/Vitality armor and then used Ruby accessories (power/precision/crit dmg), I think it would be a nice trade-off and make a very viable, tanky set for you.  The temple pieces I am looking at are (there are no pants with those stats on them):
  • Armageddon - chest, gloves, feet
  • Arcon - shoulders
  • Mortal - helm, chest, feet
  • Whispering - helm, feet
I ran a quick spreadsheet to look at the raw numbers between the two sets of gear (mine that I am using and the temple set).  This does not include weapons since I am only looking at armor.  In the end the total numbers were:

SET 1 (current):
Power - 547
Precision - 404
Toughness - 176
Vitality - 64

SET 2 (proposed):
Power - 680
Precision - 304
Toughness - 176
Vitality - 176

SET 3 (Berserker stats only)
Power - 680
Precision - 480
Toughness - 0
Vitality - 0                                                                                                                                  

In all, I gain more power than I lose in precision and gain more vitality.  Toughness stays the same.  This assumes masterwork level accessories with the same brilliant jewel as the actual accessory (the brilliant ruby jewel adds 18 power and 12 precision to the item), and using exotic Berserker's pants to complement.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 04:23 AM

I just switched to this power build and am loving it. I played levels 1-20 using the standard conditions build and, though I had great survivability, it took forever to take anything down. 1v1 situations were even worse.

Sooooo I decided to try the power build and was blown away. I couldn't get over how quickly wells take down enemies. Literal night-and-day with kill speed.

I'll be sticking with the power build for now. I'll admit I was skeptical, but even at low-levels it's pretty powerful.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 07:17 PM

Glad you enjoy it!!  I am constantly refining it and making improvements and testing things based on discussions across the forums.  Right now I am looking at dropping the 20 points in Curses and putting them in to Soul Reaping (even though i said in another thread Soul Reaping was kind of eh, I will admit to my own misjudgments).  Picking up the 25% HP locust swarm, 50% spectral armor, and 15% redux on DS abilities (more life transfer!!) seems pretty nice.  Going to have to look and decide if losing 200 precision is worth it, though gaining 20 crit damage % is REALLY nice.

EDIT: updated the guide a bit and reorganized it some.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 08:19 PM

View Posttakarazuka, on 08 October 2012 - 07:17 PM, said:

Right now I am looking at dropping the 20 points in Curses and putting them in to Soul Reaping (even though i said in another thread Soul Reaping was kind of eh, I will admit to my own misjudgments).  Picking up the 25% HP locust swarm, 50% spectral armor, and 15% redux on DS abilities (more life transfer!!) seems pretty nice.  Going to have to look and decide if losing 200 precision is worth it, though gaining 20 crit damage % is REALLY nice.

This I am wondering. I really struggled with the value of the Curses line to this build apart from the precision. Let me know what you end up deciding--'cause I do rely on crits for procs on sigils, etc. But if it's not worth it, there are definitely lines that seem to synergize with the build better.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 08:25 PM

If you drop the 20 points in Curses, thereby losing 200 precision, you lose 9.45% crit rating.  Depending on your current crit rate this is either not too major or it's gonna hurt.  I am trying to keep 45%+ on my crit rate right now and not go below that.... crits are a big part of your overall damage as a powermancer.  

I think, in the end, it's up to you and your playstyle with the build.  Going in to Soul Reaping would be a nice benefit for DS and going in to Death Magic is great for defensive abilities from wells.  Keeping points in Curses is purely offensive.... lower cooldown on warhorn, Barbed Precision, higher crit chance.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 02:33 AM

View Posttakarazuka, on 08 October 2012 - 08:25 PM, said:

If you drop the 20 points in Curses, thereby losing 200 precision, you lose 9.45% crit rating.  Depending on your current crit rate this is either not too major or it's gonna hurt.  I am trying to keep 45%+ on my crit rate right now and not go below that.... crits are a big part of your overall damage as a powermancer.  

I think, in the end, it's up to you and your playstyle with the build.  Going in to Soul Reaping would be a nice benefit for DS and going in to Death Magic is great for defensive abilities from wells.  Keeping points in Curses is purely offensive.... lower cooldown on warhorn, Barbed Precision, higher crit chance.

Here's a couple things to keep in mind when NOT going 30 into precision as power.

1. obviously you lose around 10% visible crit
2. you lose the trait that gives 5 seconds of fury entering death shroud (I double tap it just for the buff)
3. Tier 3 minor trait gives 2% damage per debuff on target, in dungeons this is on average 8-10% damage.
4. You lose the 25% chance to apply weakness on crit, which is key in addition to the shroud proc and dagger 5 to keeping weakness up on champions. Otherwise you require a shortbow thief to do that.

I feel the points to sacrifice are either 30 into soul reaping if you want perma fury (to compensate for bad groups or for solo play, scales down badly though) or 30 into power for +200 power, +20% damage vs 50% and below, which is better in balanced team setups with team fury. In my eyes 30 in precision is a requirement mostly because of the t2 and t3 minors.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 02:37 AM

View Postmasmer, on 09 October 2012 - 02:33 AM, said:

Here's a couple things to keep in mind when NOT going 30 into precision as power.

1. obviously you lose around 10% visible crit
2. you lose the trait that gives 5 seconds of fury entering death shroud (I double tap it just for the buff)
3. Tier 3 minor trait gives 2% damage per debuff on target, in dungeons this is on average 8-10% damage.
4. You lose the 25% chance to apply weakness on crit, which is key in addition to the shroud proc and dagger 5 to keeping weakness up on champions. Otherwise you require a shortbow thief to do that.

I feel the points to sacrifice are either 30 into soul reaping if you want perma fury (to compensate for bad groups or for solo play, scales down badly though) or 30 into power for +200 power, +20% damage vs 50% and below, which is better in balanced team setups with team fury. In my eyes 30 in precision is a requirement mostly because of the t2 and t3 minors.

A 30 Spite/30 Precision is an entirely different build than what I have here.  You are no longer doing a vampiric-style build, but a raw damage build.  It is entirely viable and I support it, but it isn't the focus of my build here. :)

Also you seem to not have not read any of my original post or looked at my build at all.  The build is 30 Spite, 20 Precision, and 20 Blood Magic.  I already have 30 in to Spite with the major traits for the build, so what are you talking about?  Also are you talking about teams in terms of PVP or dungeons?  This build won't do well in sPVP most likely and may also be weak in WvW since you are reliant on being in melee unless you stick to staff.  I have done WvW with it and it isn't too bad, but that's my opinion on it.

So in the end.... 30 in to Precision is fine, but you lose what this build is about.... Vampiric and wells for self-support and damage.  This build is about you and not necessarily about your team and what is perfect for them.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 03:32 AM

View Posttakarazuka, on 09 October 2012 - 02:37 AM, said:

The build is 30 Spite, 20 Precision, and 20 Blood Magic.  I already have 30 in to Spite with the major traits for the build, so what are you talking about?  Also are you talking about teams in terms of PVP or dungeons?  This build won't do well in sPVP most likely and may also be weak in WvW since you are reliant on being in melee unless you stick to staff.  I have done WvW with it and it isn't too bad, but that's my opinion on it.

So in the end.... 30 in to Precision is fine, but you lose what this build is about.... Vampiric and wells for self-support and damage.  This build is about you and not necessarily about your team and what is perfect for them.

I'm talking entirely dungeons. I'm saying that you don't want to sacrifice curses really and that the points you sacrifice should either come from spite or soul reaping depending on what you're going for.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 03:49 AM

There are a lot of variations on the power build - you can easily create one for dungeons specifically that caters to teamwork and support.  However, this build is more suited for solo and DE content in the world.  I have run dungeons with it and done just fine with no problems, but it may not have be 100% team efficient.  

If you want a pure dungeon power build, then by all means put one up.  I know people have been looking for one that is purely for dungeons and offers a lot of support.  I am not inclined to do so since I haven't ran anything other than THIS particular vampiric build.

I have updated the text of the guide to state the ideal conditions for this build and a note on dungeons just so people are clear and know what to expect.

Edited by takarazuka, 09 October 2012 - 03:55 AM.

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