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[Lollie]

ZCKS, on 25 September 2012 - 04:27 AM, said:

Use a focus, not only will you get a 10 second swiftness on a 25 second CD but so can your allies.

It also causes a 5 second cripple to any enemy that touches it & can be detonated to pull enemies into it.

That would be handy, maybe if I was running through Orr. Just usually pop a stealth there. For regular play I wouldn't have it equipped though, I prefer two other sets of weapons.

Edited by Lollie, 25 September 2012 - 09:58 PM.

[Drekor]

Thief.

perma swiftness + Infiltrator's arrow.

[BuzWeaver]

ShadeMoon, on 24 September 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

This but don't tell everyone.

To late, nerf incoming™.

[Sephrye]

Don't thief have a passive 25% swiftness signet permanent or something?
Plus the shortbow arrow teleport thing
And a lot of their combat is teleporting, stealthing, or jumping around
(don't have a thief yet, but so tempted because of the constant movement)

Necro's also have that skill spectral walk and they changed it so you have to activate recall to teleport back,
instead of it being automatic so it's more useful for traveling
(it's 33% swiftness 30s duration 30s cooldown, well it when it ends its on 30s cooldown anyway)
Also can get a 10% passive signet permanent, but if you get both it's two skill slots
I just switch them in and use them to get across town or maps, when I don't want to use waypoints, it's pretty fast;
But you said you alreadly tried and didn't like that?

Rangers have a warhorn swiftness ability, and their bird pets give near constant swiftness in combat


I'd say thief, though, because the passive signet is constant,
and the arrow ability helps it along


I don't know, most professions use a combination of things for near constant movement,
I don't think any class has permanent swiftness without that

Edited by Sephrye, 26 September 2012 - 03:36 AM.

[hotdogify]

I'm pretty sure you can hit the movement speed cap on every profession using runes + boon duration. What matters is what dash/blink skills you have. I think ele with conjure firey greatsword is the fastest but it has a long cd. Scepter ele with ride the lightning I think is the best otherwise, or close to the best.

[Scotchmist]

Uziel, on 24 September 2012 - 05:07 PM, said:

You can also swap between GS and sword to jolt forward with savage leap, whirlwind & rush.  Using the trait Forceful GS will reduce the recharge by 20%.

Similar for Guardians GS Leap of Faith, weapon swap during it then straight back and it only has a couple of seconds cool-down. Can cover ground surprisingly fast doing that.

[Garnatian]

Engineer can have 100% uptime on Swiftness at the cost of nothing.

Edited by Garnatian, 28 September 2012 - 08:55 AM.

[dr3adpirate]

My thief spamming heartseeker and roll for initiative (which gives a bunch of initiative for even more spamming heartseeker) is pretty damn fast. Along with the 25% passive speed buff, I'm not sure this can be beat. You can also trait so dodging gives you swiftness.

[Deyadissa]

Scotchmist, on 28 September 2012 - 08:34 AM, said:

Similar for Guardians GS Leap of Faith, weapon swap during it then straight back and it only has a couple of seconds cool-down. Can cover ground surprisingly fast doing that.

Yep, a guardian is currently the fastest class simply because of the leap of faith exploit.

[drkn]

Ele, Inscription trait in Air, Quick Glyphs in Air; slot 6 with the glyph and get one more glyph in utilities = perma swiftness.
Throw in Elemental Attunement and swap attunements, use staff for 4 for more swiftness or /d 5 for rtl.

[Outt]

How does movement speed stack?  Is there a cap?

I remember someone saying before that as a thief, if you ran with Sig of Shadows for the passive 25% and then also traited to get 33% speed in when stealthed, it really only brought you to 33% instead of 25% * 33% or even 25% + 33%.

So, what movement bonuses stack and which don't?

[Misty Mono]

thief with the 25% runspeed signet + shortbow (the 5 skill) i dont think anything beats that, however it depends on how long there is from point a to b because my ranger got the 10% runspeed signet + im using the greatsword charge (1200 range) every 12 secs, so is pretty fast as well for shorter distances

Outt, on 29 September 2012 - 07:03 PM, said:

How does movement speed stack?  Is there a cap?

I remember someone saying before that as a thief, if you ran with Sig of Shadows for the passive 25% and then also traited to get 33% speed in when stealthed, it really only brought you to 33% instead of 25% * 33% or even 25% + 33%.

So, what movement bonuses stack and which don't?

i'm pretty sure it caps at the 33% mark nomatter, would be cool it it stacked though 33 + 25% runspeed would be nice

[Outt]

I agree lol, would make me theif crazy quick   I was mostly jw cuz as a thief, it's almost not worth getting ways to grab Swiftness Buff(or going out of the way atleast) if running w/ Sig of Shadows since you're really only gaining 8% movement speed than your normal movement.  But if Swiftness stacked with the Signet, it'd be boss!

[blindude]

Misty Mono, on 29 September 2012 - 09:09 PM, said:

thief with the 25% runspeed signet + shortbow (the 5 skill) i dont think anything beats that, however it depends on how long there is from point a to b because my ranger got the 10% runspeed signet + im using the greatsword charge (1200 range) every 12 secs, so is pretty fast as well for shorter distances

Well the thief 25% speed signet is pointless since many classes can get perma swiftness which is 33% increase
Also ele has ride the lightning which is 1200 range at 15 sec and fiery great sword elite which has a 900 range 5 sec cooldown whirl and a 900 10 sec leap.I belive these combined to with the 45 sec blink ability and a conjure with a leap and burning speed are very close to as fast as you can legitimately get.
Best conjure is flame axe cause it has a leap and also burning retreat.
You essentialy wont stop dashing forward at all for some fairly long time

Edited by blindude, 29 September 2012 - 09:19 PM.

[Veltoss]

Captain Bulldozer, on 24 September 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure all professions can get a nearly permanent speed boost by using the right combo of skills and traits... Likely there are also consumables that grant speed boosts, though I haven't paid enough attention to this to be sure.

Mesmers have no way to reliably get swiftness, let alone anywhere near permanently.

Garrand, on 24 September 2012 - 04:15 PM, said:

Obligatory Mesmer portal post.

Probably an Ele or a Thief (high base movement speed + heartseeker spam (which IS faster than arrow porting)).

If you're talking about the portal that creates one at two spots, that's hardly useful for getting across a map and only useful in a handful of situations.

[Aetou]

Ride the Lightning moves you a long way very quickly and very regularly.  Add that to easy Permanent Swiftness (multiple ways but both Glyph and Aura builds can get it without relying on weapons in the slightest) and the only real possible rival is a Thief blinking with arrows.  I think the Ele would win against a thief just using the +25% signet but against a Thief also built for permanent Swiftness it's too close to call without running a race - nothing else comes close though.

[NuclearDonut]

Ele gets permanent 35% movement speed from taking 10 points into the Air traitline. Not to mention the wondeful skill "Ride the Lightning."

[Korra]

I can belive people are actually saying engineers and guardians are the fastest class, only because they can keep up permaswiftness.

Thief is hands down the fastest class in the game, Signet of shadows + IA + Shadowstep = uncatchable.

And don't come with some mediocre theofrycrafting, its more than proven that thief is the fastest in the game,not for the speed boost but for the teleports.

[blindude]

Korra, on 29 September 2012 - 10:17 PM, said:

I can belive people are actually saying engineers and guardians are the fastest class, only because they can keep up permaswiftness.

Thief is hands down the fastest class in the game, Signet of shadows + IA + Shadowstep = uncatchable.

And don't come with some mediocre theofrycrafting, its more than proven that thief is the fastest in the game,not for the speed boost but for the teleports.

Yeah but what about the poor underplayed and underpowered ele
I believe this is as fast as a thief can get ..if not more
http://www.gw2build.....0.0.20.0.20.11

[Korra]

blindude, on 29 September 2012 - 10:28 PM, said:

Yeah but what about the poor underplayed and underpowered ele
I believe this is as fast as a thief can get ..if not more
http://www.gw2build.....0.0.20.0.20.11

It's a fast build but you have to stop to cast the conjures don't you? Also when you have a conjured weapons you are limited to those skills, making RTL and burning speed unaviable.

[blindude]

Korra, on 29 September 2012 - 10:31 PM, said:

It's a fast build but you have to stop to cast the conjures don't you? Also when you have a conjured weapons you are limited to those skills, making RTL and burning speed unaviable.

only the elite needs stoping for a sec.Also rtl has a 12 sec cooldown with the trait.Thats plenty of time to put in the mean time burning speed from the daggers first and then the leap and burning retreat from flame axe.
The thing is that when the elite is up its at least as effective as using ride the lightning so it makes up for it and you can also give the mobility to a friend of yours if he picks the greatsword.

[Korra]

blindude, on 29 September 2012 - 10:38 PM, said:

only the elite needs stoping for a sec.Also rtl has a 12 sec cooldown with the trait.Thats plenty of time to put in the mean time burning speed from the daggers first and then the leap and burning retreat from flame axe.
The thing is that when the elite is up its at least as effective as using ride the lightning so it makes up for it and you can also give the mobility to a friend of yours if he picks the greatsword.

Thief is far superior by all means, don't even bother.

[Tevesh]

Yeah dont bother with facts! Thief is far superior by all means cuz a guy on a forum told you so.
A guy butthurt by elementalists and rerolling to a thief btw. He clearly knows about unbiased comparison!

[NuclearDonut]

Korra, on 29 September 2012 - 10:17 PM, said:

I can belive people are actually saying engineers and guardians are the fastest class, only because they can keep up permaswiftness.

Thief is hands down the fastest class in the game, Signet of shadows + IA + Shadowstep = uncatchable.

And don't come with some mediocre theofrycrafting, its more than proven that thief is the fastest in the game,not for the speed boost but for the teleports.

Ele is faster in every way. Thieves get 25% perma speed, and Eles get 35% perma speed (it can stack up to 45% but then your wasting a major trait so screw that). 45% speed increase permanently automatically wipes the floor with Thief. Then lets talk movement abilities. RTL alone almost beats 2 shadowsteps, which is all the Thief can put out in a row with a Shortbow. Thief is better at retreating (Withdraw, Roll for Initiative) but trying to use those for extra forward movement is clunky and leaves you very vulnerable if a fight opens up. An Ele doesn't have to worry about sacrificing effectiveness for mobility because they have a million more skills to use. Don't mention the utility shadowstep either, because Ele's have a teleport with a smaller CD, it just doesn't have a return (but why would you want to return if your going in one direction?). In the end, Ele's are slightly more mobile than Thief, but they can still be very effective.....er....as effective as an Elementalist can be in its current state lol...

[Viroid]

NuclearDonut, on 30 September 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

it can stack up to 45% but then your wasting a major trait so screw that

No, it can´t...
Only the highest speed boost is applied.
So Perma Swiftness Thief + Infiltrator Arrow is the fastest class.

[NuclearDonut]

Viroid, on 30 September 2012 - 12:11 PM, said:

No, it can´t...
Only the highest speed boost is applied.
So Perma Swiftness Thief + Infiltrator Arrow is the fastest class.

With swiftness yes, with traits no. I've been testing this since...well.... level 20 (thats when I got both traits). When swiftness is applied to me, there is no difference. I'm not using a 45% speed build but I know for sure I'm going 35% speed whenever I'm in Air Attunement. Trait speed bonuses stack, at least the ones in the same line can. I haven't tested 45%, but I know 35% works, so 35% speed boost Ele+RTL+Lightning Flash is the fastest class.

[Korra]

NuclearDonut, on 30 September 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

Ele is faster in every way. Thieves get 25% perma speed, and Eles get 35% perma speed (it can stack up to 45% but then your wasting a major trait so screw that). 45% speed increase permanently automatically wipes the floor with Thief. Then lets talk movement abilities. RTL alone almost beats 2 shadowsteps, which is all the Thief can put out in a row with a Shortbow. Thief is better at retreating (Withdraw, Roll for Initiative) but trying to use those for extra forward movement is clunky and leaves you very vulnerable if a fight opens up. An Ele doesn't have to worry about sacrificing effectiveness for mobility because they have a million more skills to use. Don't mention the utility shadowstep either, because Ele's have a teleport with a smaller CD, it just doesn't have a return (but why would you want to return if your going in one direction?). In the end, Ele's are slightly more mobile than Thief, but they can still be very effective.....er....as effective as an Elementalist can be in its current state lol...

45% Speed because yay. nope

Also let's take in consideration your RTL/burning speed doesn't get stuck in a mob.

Plus thief have 3 dodges.

and can spam almost 4 IA with Infiltrators sigent and the ini recovery trait, Eles saying they are faster than a thief never played a thief, i played both of them at its best and i can say for sure Thief is faster than ele.

[NuclearDonut]

Korra, on 30 September 2012 - 12:52 PM, said:

45% Speed because yay. nope

Also let's take in consideration your RTL/burning speed doesn't get stuck in a mob.

Plus thief have 3 dodges.

and can spam almost 4 IA with Infiltrators sigent and the ini recovery trait, Eles saying they are faster than a thief never played a thief, i played both of them at its best and i can say for sure Thief is faster than ele.

I have an 80 Thief and an 80 Ele, just throwing that out there. And there's such a thing called "stop targetting" all you have to do is click anywhere that isn't a mob, so that argument is just pathetic. Dodges go backwards, taking you away from your destination. Ele's get perma vigor very easily so they have even more dodges. And once again, spamming 4 IA requires a build specced specifically into mobility and nothing else, while Eles can get that same amount of mobility (better actually) and still be good at healing/fighting/defense.

[Korra]

NuclearDonut, on 30 September 2012 - 01:09 PM, said:

I have an 80 Thief and an 80 Ele, just throwing that out there. And there's such a thing called "stop targetting" all you have to do is click anywhere that isn't a mob, so that argument is just pathetic. Dodges go backwards, taking you away from your destination. Ele's get perma vigor very easily so they have even more dodges. And once again, spamming 4 IA requires a build specced specifically into mobility and nothing else, while Eles can get that same amount of mobility (better actually) and still be good at healing/fighting/defense.

Im not sure if you're trolling me or you really have no clue what you are talking about.

About stop targeting and rtl, it's very situational.

>Dodges go backwards

Are you serious?  You can roll forward.

About constant vigor, Phoenix + cantrips is the only way you get vigor, and you require shooting disruption to make the cantrips give vigor, and they are not affected by boon duration.

being able to spam 4 IA requires only Infiltrators signet, the trait tha gives 3 ini more (which any good thief should have in pve) and the trait that makes you recover 2 ini every 10 secs.

You are still excelent at fighting. I don't see what you mean about that you need a build  speced only for mobility. My build ispretty much flawless and i can spam 4 IA.

Really, stop trying to deny the facts, Thief is faster and more movile by all means.

Edited by Korra, 30 September 2012 - 01:26 PM.

[Viroid]

Korra, on 30 September 2012 - 01:25 PM, said:

Really, stop trying to deny the facts, Thief is faster and more movile by all means.

/sign..

Startet some races in our Guild with different proffessions. No one was nearly as fast as the Thief.

Edited by Viroid, 30 September 2012 - 01:33 PM.