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#1 Bennyandthejets

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 08:06 AM

I thought I would go ahead & make a thread that provides some data on how people are doing using the Mystic Forge trying to create their precursor weapons.


Edit 10/7/12: As of today:

32 exotic Greatswords into Mystic Forge has yielded nothing
4 exotic hammers has yielded nothing

Current probability using my data:

0/8 Dawn/Dusk
0/1 Colossus

To small of a sample to make any conclusions for now.

Will continue to update when I make more money.  Lost a fortune today

Edited by Bennyandthejets, 07 October 2012 - 08:31 PM.


#2 Shootersa

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 08:18 AM

damm that just make me wanna buy it in the Trade Post rather then actually trying to get it.....

20x 3g = 60g and thats the amount it would normally costs to buy it in the Trade Post.

but perhaps you can be lucky and have it in like 2 times but for now i think ill just save up money for it lol

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 08:42 AM

Small clarification to avoid confusion: The hammer precursor name is The Colossus of Rage, not The Juggernaut (which is the legendary).

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 08:52 AM

Overall did around 30 Attempts if not more with exotics,got alot of pearl staffs,Legionairre Staff twice,2 Shamans Etched Staff of Rage (preq to the corrupted branch) and One unique staff called Bramblethorn.

Doing around 45-50 attempts with rares,gave me exotic 20% of the times and it was a pearl one most of the times.

#5 Bennyandthejets

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 09:37 AM

View PostdeathTouch2k, on 26 September 2012 - 08:42 AM, said:

Small clarification to avoid confusion: The hammer precursor name is The Colossus of Rage, not The Juggernaut (which is the legendary).

Thanks for correcting that will edit.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 10:40 AM

I've done the 4x Exotic trasmutation seven eight times now, and got:
-2 Explorers Pearl sword
-1 Ravagers Pearl sword
-1 Berserkers Pear sword
-1 Kymswarden
-1 Dhuumseal
-1 Carrion Legionnaire Greatsword of Rage
-1 Travellers Ceremonial Scimitar of rage (added)

4xRare I've done too many times to count, educated guess would be around 40 times, got three exotics so far (guess i've been very unlucky):
-1 Explorer's Pearl sword
-1 Ebonblade
-1 Khysaor, Golden Sword

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#7 Invahale

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 12:23 PM

Will be hard to provide any precise data out there, as I did not record the data on a daily basis... but this is what I can give.

In total I have earned 31 Exotic Greatswords from Mystic Forge. Where only 3 of these have been obtained by mixing Exotics (the rest came out as an outcome of combining Rare GS's).

Outcomes of 4x Rare GS Combination:

- Valkyrie Pearl Broadsword x4
- Berserker's Pearl Broadsword x2
- Cleric's Pearl Broadsword x2
- Carrion Pearl Broadsword x2
- Knight's Pearl Broadsword x2
- Explorer's Pearl Broadsword x2
- Rampager's Pearl Broadsword x1
- Ebonblade x1
- Ceremonial Scimitar x3
- Traveler's Orrian Longsword x3
- Carrion Tribal Greatsword x1
- Skybringer x1
- Breath of Flame x1
- Carrion Legionnaire x2
- Dhuumseal x1

Outcomes of 4x Exotic GS Combination:

- Knight's Pearl Broadsword x1
- Ceremonial Scimitar x1
- Shaman's Etched Avenger x1

I can't tell you how many times I actually tried with 4x Rares.. That's the problem. However, I can tell that on average I'd get one exotic every 4th/5th try (sometimes of course, I'd get two in a row, whereas sometimes I would get none in 8 or more tries...). Nothing precise, but I would guess that in total I had around 112-128 tries with Rare Quality GS...

I have saved up 40g as of now and I'm thinking of spending it all in Mystic Forge. If I do that, I will do some spreadsheet and upload it here.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 06:41 PM

View PostInvahale, on 26 September 2012 - 12:23 PM, said:

Will be hard to provide any precise data out there, as I did not record the data on a daily basis... but this is what I can give.

In total I have earned 31 Exotic Greatswords from Mystic Forge. Where only 3 of these have been obtained by mixing Exotics (the rest came out as an outcome of combining Rare GS's).

Outcomes of 4x Rare GS Combination:

- Valkyrie Pearl Broadsword x4
- Berserker's Pearl Broadsword x2
- Cleric's Pearl Broadsword x2
- Carrion Pearl Broadsword x2
- Knight's Pearl Broadsword x2
- Explorer's Pearl Broadsword x2
- Rampager's Pearl Broadsword x1
- Ebonblade x1
- Ceremonial Scimitar x3
- Traveler's Orrian Longsword x3
- Carrion Tribal Greatsword x1
- Skybringer x1
- Breath of Flame x1
- Carrion Legionnaire x2
- Dhuumseal x1

Outcomes of 4x Exotic GS Combination:

- Knight's Pearl Broadsword x1
- Ceremonial Scimitar x1
- Shaman's Etched Avenger x1

I can't tell you how many times I actually tried with 4x Rares.. That's the problem. However, I can tell that on average I'd get one exotic every 4th/5th try (sometimes of course, I'd get two in a row, whereas sometimes I would get none in 8 or more tries...). Nothing precise, but I would guess that in total I had around 112-128 tries with Rare Quality GS...

I have saved up 40g as of now and I'm thinking of spending it all in Mystic Forge. If I do that, I will do some spreadsheet and upload it here.
Please don't do that save your money and just buy it from tp.  I had a friend who was just obsessed at getting dusk that he spent all his 70g trying to get it to no avail.  In the end he was so dismayed that he quit the game.  Save your cash, don't gamble it away!

#9 Invahale

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 06:55 PM

Thanks for caring Birducus :) Though, I already wasted approximately 150g as I see no other use for gold anyway (well, someday I could buy T3 Cultural but as of now CoF set is enough for me). If I am too poor to gamble in real life, I might as well just do it in a computer game :D I have no intent to quit, no worries!

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 06:58 PM

View PostBirducus, on 26 September 2012 - 06:41 PM, said:

Please don't do that save your money and just buy it from tp.  I had a friend who was just obsessed at getting dusk that he spent all his 70g trying to get it to no avail.  In the end he was so dismayed that he quit the game.  Save your cash, don't gamble it away!

Lol, weak.

I think using rares is worth it as the exotics you get can sell for a bit. Combining 4 exotics seems a bit silly though.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 08:10 PM

As someone who figured out how to do it, all the legendary precursor items are craftable using recipies that work 100% of the time. This is seperate from gambling with rare/exotic weapons in the forge.

Outside of non-market materials required, the precursors (every type of precursor, doesn't matter which one) cost about 35-45g in terms of market materials to create depending on fluctuation.

It cost quite a bit of gold fiddling around with the forge to find it so needless to say I'm not going to reval how as I'm getting ridiculous returns from this knowledge now, but I'm sure as with all good things someone will post exactly how to do it and crash the market.

My 2 cents is to stop gambling and work on your other components, then grab a precursor at the end when they're all 55ish gold on the BLTP.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 10:36 PM

View PostIshkur237, on 26 September 2012 - 08:10 PM, said:

As someone who figured out how to do it, all the legendary precursor items are craftable using recipies that work 100% of the time. This is seperate from gambling with rare/exotic weapons in the forge.

Outside of non-market materials required, the precursors (every type of precursor, doesn't matter which one) cost about 35-45g in terms of market materials to create depending on fluctuation.

It cost quite a bit of gold fiddling around with the forge to find it so needless to say I'm not going to reval how as I'm getting ridiculous returns from this knowledge now, but I'm sure as with all good things someone will post exactly how to do it and crash the market.

My 2 cents is to stop gambling and work on your other components, then grab a precursor at the end when they're all 55ish gold on the BLTP.

I'd like proof.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 10:48 PM

View PostIshkur237, on 26 September 2012 - 08:10 PM, said:

As someone who figured out how to do it, all the legendary precursor items are craftable using recipies that work 100% of the time. This is seperate from gambling with rare/exotic weapons in the forge.

Outside of non-market materials required, the precursors (every type of precursor, doesn't matter which one) cost about 35-45g in terms of market materials to create depending on fluctuation.

It cost quite a bit of gold fiddling around with the forge to find it so needless to say I'm not going to reval how as I'm getting ridiculous returns from this knowledge now, but I'm sure as with all good things someone will post exactly how to do it and crash the market.

My 2 cents is to stop gambling and work on your other components, then grab a precursor at the end when they're all 55ish gold on the BLTP.

This gets me agitated,although its peoples right to hold onto that knowledge I think its unfair towards the people who grind all day just to get more exotics to dump in the forge.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 11:19 PM

If it is true that you can craft them all using an undetermined recipe as of this moment, then why even try the forge anymore, save the money for the mats once it is out in the open?

#15 Firestrike9

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 11:31 PM

View PostBashur79, on 26 September 2012 - 11:19 PM, said:

If it is true that you can craft them all using an undetermined recipe as of this moment, then why even try the forge anymore, save the money for the mats once it is out in the open?

or maybe thats what he wants,you to stop trying so less Precursors get on the market.

#16 Firestrike9

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 11:55 PM

Ok hes full of shit,just had it confirmed by one of the devs:

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Edited by Firestrike9, 27 September 2012 - 01:42 AM.


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Posted 26 September 2012 - 11:59 PM

Thanks for checking into that.

#18 Invahale

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 12:19 AM

View PostFirestrike9, on 26 September 2012 - 11:55 PM, said:

Ok hes full of shit,just had it confirmed by one of the devs:

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Yeah, about that. Could you please provide us with a link to this thread? Two things that got me thinking about this screen is that 1. there's no "admin" red sign below/beneath LinseyMurdocks' name and 2. You can't find anything about that post in Linseys' posting history...

Edited by Invahale, 27 September 2012 - 12:21 AM.


#19 deathTouch2k

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 12:36 AM

View PostInvahale, on 27 September 2012 - 12:19 AM, said:

Yeah, about that. Could you please provide us with a link to this thread? Two things that got me thinking about this screen is that 1. there's no "admin" red sign below/beneath LinseyMurdocks' name and 2. You can't find anything about that post in Linseys' posting history...

That's because it was a PM, not a thread post.

The guy who posted the "info" has zero previous forum posts fyi and created his account just minutes before that post.

Hope you guys didn't dump a whole lot of rare materials into the forge.

Edited by deathTouch2k, 27 September 2012 - 12:45 AM.


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Posted 27 September 2012 - 12:52 AM

View PostFirestrike9, on 26 September 2012 - 11:31 PM, said:

or maybe thats what he wants,you to stop trying so less Precursors get on the market.
thats just silly... point is there is a way to forge them. i was sure there was before this guy came along.
there has to be or else the whole legendary thing would be too reliant on a very low chance RNG, which would mean those weapons would be worth ALOT more than what their going for now.

now that you guys have confirmation that there is a way, just wait for it to be discovered, or discover it yourselves (and share! D:)

edit: just saw that official post above me...
i dunno if i should belive it or not :P every fiber in my body tells me there has to be antoher way XD

Edited by malachi8, 27 September 2012 - 12:56 AM.


#21 Ishkur237

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 12:53 AM

I was reading over to see if the Bifrost guy had finished their legendary yet.

I posted to let people know that they can save their money instead of throwing it away gambling.

Your developer reply says that the only way to get the precursor is through gambling it from the forge, despite there being confirmed drops from the temple and dragon events, so they're clearly lacking some information.

Feel free to waste gold gambling though when eventually the recipes for the precursors will become public knowledge.There is a non-market bottleneck in the process that prevents me and the other few people who know the recipe from mass producing them, but supply will most definitely grow.

Edited by Ishkur237, 27 September 2012 - 01:28 AM.


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Posted 27 September 2012 - 01:14 AM

View Postmalachi8, on 27 September 2012 - 12:52 AM, said:

thats just silly... point is there is a way to forge them. i was sure there was before this guy came along.
there has to be or else the whole legendary thing would be too reliant on a very low chance RNG, which would mean those weapons would be worth ALOT more than what their going for now.

now that you guys have confirmation that there is a way, just wait for it to be discovered, or discover it yourselves (and share! D:)

edit: just saw that official post above me...
i dunno if i should belive it or not :P every fiber in my body tells me there has to be antoher way XD

You should think about it this way. Not everyone will want a legendary. Think about why mystic coins are so cheap despite playing an integral role in the legendary creation process. In fact Anets equivalency puts them equal to the gold value of 1 ecto or the karma value of 1 shard (2100 karma). That is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than the actual market value at 2s? I think.

Everyone has a chance to randomly loot one of these things, but when there are only a few thousand people considering getting a legendary right now and millions of people rolling on the loot, theres bound to be a decent equilibrium where you can buy them.

If you think its too RNG, just also consider that clovers themselves are made with an RNG Recipe.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 01:27 AM

View PostIshkur237, on 27 September 2012 - 12:53 AM, said:

I was reading over to see if the Bifrost guy had finished their legendary yet.

I posted to let people know that they can save their money instead of throwing it away gambling.

Your developer reply says that the only way to get the precursor is through gambling it from the forge, despite there being confirmed drops from the temple and dragon events, so they're clearly lacking some information.

Feel free to waste gold gambling though when eventually the recipes for the precursors will become public knowledge.

Read it up,She says its from BOTH  drops and random forge.

learn to read you little liar.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 04:09 AM

I've been wondering if putting in 4 of the same mystic weapons such as the mystic claymore would yield something much better? Anyone try that yet? I'm too broke to try :[

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 04:47 AM

Someone on my server just linked Tooth of Frostfang (legendary precursor for Frostfang) in LA. I asked him whether he had bought it, got it off a drop, or from the mystic forge.

He said he had received it after his 4th attempt at combining 4 level 80 rares in the mystic forge. I asked for him to confirm whether it was a yellow rare (rather than an orange), and he said yes, it had been four yellow rares.

I also asked whether he had tried combining 4 exotics in the mystic forge at any point, and he said he had not tried that.

Edited by deathTouch2k, 27 September 2012 - 04:51 AM.


#26 Bennyandthejets

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 06:40 AM

View Postmonsta, on 27 September 2012 - 04:09 AM, said:

I've been wondering if putting in 4 of the same mystic weapons such as the mystic claymore would yield something much better? Anyone try that yet? I'm too broke to try :[

Its possible that "mystic" weapons when stacked x4 could yield a precursor 100% since they have such a outrageous skillpoint cost.  I've tried using x4 of the same exotic greatsword in some of my tests above & it didn't seem to affect the outcome.

Edited by Bennyandthejets, 27 September 2012 - 06:41 AM.


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Posted 27 September 2012 - 08:20 AM

View PostKaeoz, on 27 September 2012 - 01:14 AM, said:

You should think about it this way. Not everyone will want a legendary. Think about why mystic coins are so cheap despite playing an integral role in the legendary creation process. In fact Anets equivalency puts them equal to the gold value of 1 ecto or the karma value of 1 shard (2100 karma). That is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than the actual market value at 2s? I think.

Everyone has a chance to randomly loot one of these things, but when there are only a few thousand people considering getting a legendary right now and millions of people rolling on the loot, theres bound to be a decent equilibrium where you can buy them.

If you think its too RNG, just also consider that clovers themselves are made with an RNG Recipe.

thats the thing, the mystic clovers are enough RNG as it is, why add another thousandth percent drop to the recipe? :P
and anyways mystic coins is a bad coparison. you dont get an ecto every time you finish daily achievment and you dont get 20 when you finish monthly...

edit: typos =x

Edited by malachi8, 27 September 2012 - 08:21 AM.


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Posted 27 September 2012 - 08:51 AM

View PostIshkur237, on 27 September 2012 - 12:53 AM, said:

I was reading over to see if the Bifrost guy had finished their legendary yet.

I posted to let people know that they can save their money instead of throwing it away gambling.

Your developer reply says that the only way to get the precursor is through gambling it from the forge, despite there being confirmed drops from the temple and dragon events, so they're clearly lacking some information.

Feel free to waste gold gambling though when eventually the recipes for the precursors will become public knowledge.There is a non-market bottleneck in the process that prevents me and the other few people who know the recipe from mass producing them, but supply will most definitely grow.

So you are saying that there is a hidden recipe to make precursor weapons that both developers and alpha testers lack the knowledge. That is believable....

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 08:52 AM

View Postmalachi8, on 27 September 2012 - 08:20 AM, said:

thats the thing, the mystic clovers are enough RNG as it is, why add another thousandth percent drop to the recipe? :P
and anyways mystic coins is a bad coparison. you dont get an ecto every time you finish daily achievment and you dont get 20 when you finish monthly...

edit: typos =x

wish i would get 20 ectos for monthly and 1 ecto for a daily, still need over 300 for Mystic Clovers and legendary and i honestly have no idea how i am going to be able to get all the money togheter :(

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 08:56 AM

View PostShootersa, on 27 September 2012 - 08:52 AM, said:

wish i would get 20 ectos for monthly and 1 ecto for a daily, still need over 300 for Mystic Clovers and legendary and i honestly have no idea how i am going to be able to get all the money togheter :(

Technically if you consider the rate of mystic clovers at 1/3 then you will need around 450 ectos.




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