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[Kashaya]

Bumping.
Are there still people who throw/waste money at the forge? Any personnal observations with the new rate?
Since the Lost Shores update and its "slightly increased chance" I haven't seen any update in any R&D thread, be it here or the official forums.

(It's obvious the update's final event and its influence on precursors prices has something to do with some people not bothering anymore but some precursors are still relatively expensive)


Since this weekend I've tried 160 rare hammers (40 tries), got 6 exotics & 0 precursor.

[Rennuh]

Kashaya, on 21 November 2012 - 10:56 AM, said:

Bumping.
Are there still people who throw/waste money at the forge? Any personnal observations with the new rate?
Since the Lost Shores update and its "slightly increased chance" I haven't seen any update in any R&D thread, be it here or the official forums.

(It's obvious the update's final event and its influence on precursors prices has something to do with some people not bothering anymore but some precursors are still relatively expensive)


Since this weekend I've tried 160 rare hammers (40 tries), got 6 exotics & 0 precursor.

I personally stopped when the price of T5 materials tripled or even quadrupled and it became a lot more expensive. After that the prices for mithril ore and elder wood did drop significantly so it may be viable again especially with the supposedly increased droprate, I just haven't checked. Also I'm not sure yet if I will either, with the number of precursors they dropped during the event (which I missed, thinking the reward would be comparable to previous events) I'm expecting them to give more of these opportunities. I may even wait until they have put their 'scavenger-hunt' type of acquisition method in place, eventhough this won't be anytime soon.

[Lucas Ashrock]

Kashaya, on 21 November 2012 - 10:56 AM, said:

Bumping.
Are there still people who throw/waste money at the forge? Any personnal observations with the new rate?
Since the Lost Shores update and its "slightly increased chance" I haven't seen any update in any R&D thread, be it here or the official forums.

(It's obvious the update's final event and its influence on precursors prices has something to do with some people not bothering anymore but some precursors are still relatively expensive)


Since this weekend I've tried 160 rare hammers (40 tries), got 6 exotics & 0 precursor.

Would makes me laugh, expecially after the last lostshores event precursors giveaway, if someone is still even wasting loads of mats gambling, believing Anet truly made their gambling game better. Montecarlo casinos directors always say it if you ask. Obiouvsly is a lie to fool you and makes you play more and more

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 21 November 2012 - 11:19 AM.

[Kashaya]

Certainly not denying nobody likes RNG but it isn't the point of my bump to start a new debate about it.

I just gather wood & mithril on my way during my ori runs and use my cheapest T5 mats for it, when I have a large amount I just craft a batch, I rarely buy anything for that.
With the prices of gathered mats at all time lows and the prices of T6 mats skyrocketting, I don't mind much playing the lottery from time to time.

I won't go on a mystic forge rampage just because someone made a precursor out of 2 tries, it's just out of sheer curiosity that I'm bumping the thread.

[Lucas Ashrock]

No doubt. Keep gambling, some are addicted, so are sick too and needs a psychiatrist assistance and some pills. Some sometimes throw weapons still thinking today is my day. After all, don't we do the same when we buy 1 lottery ticket or go inside a casino? Damn, 99.9% didn't end well.

[TheFallen]

Well from 80+ rares 9 exotics. Im puting all kind of rares in , because dont want to male legendary, i jsut make gold from Mystic toilet. Havent video put in christmas got The Choses - precursor shield.

[Chibii]

so I decided to spend ~13gold today and forge 40 rare lvl80 Greatswords in the forge. (10 forges)  and the results.

Edited by Chibii, 04 January 2013 - 02:01 PM.

[TheFallen]

Chibii, on 04 January 2013 - 02:01 PM, said:

so I decided to spend ~13gold today and forge 40 rare lvl80 Greatswords in the forge. (10 forges)  and the results.

big Gz bro.BTW what kind of rares you sused?

Edited by TheFallen, 04 January 2013 - 05:44 PM.

[Gilles VI]

There are obviously still loads of people gambling because I produce 300 krait weapons per day and those always get sold within 12h.

[TheFallen]

Gilles VI, on 04 January 2013 - 05:47 PM, said:

There are obviously still loads of people gambling because I produce 300 krait weapons per day and those always get sold within 12h.

ofcorse people gambling with Mystic Toilet. it will never STOP

[Gilles VI]

TheFallen, on 04 January 2013 - 06:08 PM, said:

ofcorse people gambling with Mystic Toilet. it will never STOP

Sometimes I'm thinking I would just invest all my money in krait greatswords and gamble away.
But then I saw the vid of the guy throwing 1600 ones in and getting nothing..
I think I have enough cash for 2000-2500 greatswords but still, if I just lose everything...

[danitheqt]

Doin' science

INPUT:
1737 crafted Rare lvl 80 Greatswords (with different atts to mix them, idk if it matters tho).
Another 328 rares that i got from the mystic forge and threw in again.

= 2065 GS.

OUTPUT:
- The above mentioned 328rares.
- 106 Exotics
- 0 precursors.

The exotics were sold on the mystic forge, averaging ~2,75g net profit, alltogether ~290g.
The costs of the 1737 rares were roughly ~485g.
Loss: 195g

I'll keep doing this, since i have more spare money. Gonna update when i crafted another 1-2k more.

Edited by danitheqt, 05 January 2013 - 02:48 PM.

[Lucas Ashrock]

Gilles VI, on 04 January 2013 - 06:18 PM, said:

Sometimes I'm thinking I would just invest all my money in krait greatswords and gamble away.
But then I saw the vid of the guy throwing 1600 ones in and getting nothing..
I think I have enough cash for 2000-2500 greatswords but still, if I just lose everything...

Yep. Big difference between a smart guy making loads of money and a sad gambler is this one, you're rich, they keep play with empty hands and empty pocket

[Chibii]

TheFallen, on 04 January 2013 - 05:43 PM, said:

big Gz bro.BTW what kind of rares you sused?

I just use the cheapest ones on the TP. but make sure they are not of the same weapon type. like dont use two Krait weapons in the one forge.

[Lucas Ashrock]

Not true at all. I have a lot of friends with precursor using the same exact kind of rare. It's just a spin of the roulette.

[Ehragus]

Chibii, on 04 January 2013 - 02:01 PM, said:

so I decided to spend ~13gold today and forge 40 rare lvl80 Greatswords in the forge. (10 forges)  and the results.

You lucky bastard. I put in 150+ lvl 80 rare gs in the forge today. All i got was crap..

[matsif]

in the past 2 weeks I've easily put in 500 GS and 100 hammers (all level 78+ rares), have yet to see a precursor.  Overall I've done around 1000 GS and 300 hammers (same quality as above, going for juggernaut, just want a dusk to sell) and haven't gotten one.

[Quise]

People selling Dusk on TP are so dumb.

[Gilles VI]

Quise, on 06 January 2013 - 12:26 PM, said:

People selling Dusk on TP are so dumb.

Why is that?

[Quise]

Gilles VI, on 06 January 2013 - 12:28 PM, said:

Why is that?

you have two offers:

570G
569G 99S 99C

and now BANG!

550G

People in this game do not have no idea about economics. It's almost like the sale of items below the cost of production which is very common here and makes crafts useless.

Edited by Quise, 06 January 2013 - 12:44 PM.

[Lordkrall]

Quise, on 06 January 2013 - 12:39 PM, said:

you have two offers:

570G
569G 99S 99C

and now BANG!

550G

People in this game do not have no idea about economics. It's almost like the sale of items below the cost of production which is very common here and makes crafts useless.

So.. trying to make the items more accessible is stupid?
You do know that 550g still is more gold than you will ever need in the foreseeable future, right?

It is extremely common in real life business to set a price a bit lower than your competitors, forcing them to lower their costs in order to compete with you.

[Gilles VI]

Quise, on 06 January 2013 - 12:39 PM, said:

you have two offers:

570G
569G 99S 99C

and now BANG!

550G

People in this game do not have no idea about economics. It's almost like the sale of items below the cost of production which is very common here and makes crafts useless.

So?
If people want to sell for that price, why not?

If someone throws in 4 rare weapons with a total cost of 1g and gets a pre-cursor, he could even sell it for 50g and make a profit, people can sell it to whatever price they want?

[danitheqt]

Updated!

danitheqt, on 04 January 2013 - 06:47 PM, said:

Doin' science

INPUT:
2998 crafted Rare lvl 80 Greatswords (with different atts to mix them, idk if it matters tho).
Another 559 rares that i got from the mystic forge and threw in again.

= 3557 GS.

OUTPUT:
- The above mentioned 559 rares.
- 190 Exotics
- 1 precursor.

The exotics were sold on the mystic forge, averaging ~2,75g net profit, alltogether ~520g.
The costs of the 2998 rares were roughly ~850g.
Loss: 330g
PROFIT: Dusk.

So ye, overall i still made some nice profit.
Still, i probably wont do it again.
Too much money is bound to mats and exotics. I still got like 80-100exotics on my chars that i cant sell yet, since i'd undercut myself then.
Also, even tho (i think) statistically you'd make profit, selling dusk for ~580g or whatever, it's still all based on luck (unless you invest a huge amount of money for like 100.000 rares).

Anyway, if you see these results and plan on gambling too - have enough money available and dont underestimate the time needed to craft (esp refinement!) and throw rares into the MF! ;D GL!

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you have two offers:

570G
569G 99S 99C

and now BANG!

550G

People in this game do not have no idea about economics. It's almost like the sale of items below the cost of production which is very common here and makes crafts useless.

umad?

It's my Dusk, and i have my own reasons why i dont mind a 20g loss or whatsoever.
To your point about me having no idea of it - I studied economics.

[matsif]

Quise, on 06 January 2013 - 12:26 PM, said:

People selling Dusk on TP are so dumb.

at this point any desired precursor will sell to give me enough money to get everything except my wanted precursor, so why is it dumb when anet has stated they are adding a different method to acquire the weapons in the future?  I'd rather have enough money to get the rest of the ore, ectos, lodestones, etc. that I need for the juggernaut and wait around while I grind out the rest of world completion and badges for the new content for the precursor than have to gamble and get lucky now for something I'll still take a while to get.

[Valius]

I have a question.

Do level 4 level 80 exotic GS have a better chance than 4 level 76 rares?

[Lordkrall]

Valius, on 11 January 2013 - 09:18 PM, said:

I have a question.

Do level 4 level 80 exotic GS have a better chance than 4 level 76 rares?

Yes.
Exotics always becomes exotic. While rares might become rare. Also lvl 80, as far as I have seen, always give lvl 80 back.

[Valius]

Cool, thanks!

[Monjoya]

My experience seeking The Legend:

- Rares (Lvl. 80) placed in the Mystic Forge: 1,763.
- Exotics obtained: 100 (5.67%).
- Precursors (The Legend): 0

Exotics obtained:
Berserker's Pearl Quarterstaff 6 Bramblethorne 3 Carrion Legionnaire Staff of Rage 6 Carrion Pearl Quarterstaff 3 Carrion Tribal Staff of Rage 9 Cleric's Pearl Quarterstaff 9 Deatwish 1 Delusion 5 Emberspire 3 Explorer's Pearl Quarterstaff 6 Imryldyeen 1 Knight's Parl Quarterstaff 6 Memory of the Sky 3 Rampager's Pearl Quarterstaff 5 Shaman's Etched Branch of Rage 8 Silence 3 Traveler's Ceremonial Stave of Rage 6 Traveler's Orrian Staff of Rage 9 Valkyrie Pearl Quarterstaff 8

[Limbolein]

That's 1763 tries with 4 rares each try?

[Dominox]

1763/4 tries