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[Mekkakat]

Just curious on everyone's opinion

If I had to pick, I'd say either Supply Crate or Lich.

[kilger]

Definately not moa form, thats just the most annoying one to other players.  As a mesmer it pales compared to time warp or group stealth.

Goes to show how subjective such questions are.

[GearsPowered]

Time warp if you desperately need a point.
Tome of Courage if your team has decent stability and/or the other team has no idea how to CC your guardian.

[Mekkakat]

kilger, on 02 October 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

Definately not moa form, thats just the most annoying one to other players.  As a mesmer it pales compared to time warp or group stealth.

Goes to show how subjective such questions are.

Fair enough - Sorry to assume that most people would say "Moa is overpowered/annoying".

Either way, it's not for conclusive data. It's just something for fun. I like knowing what people think/how they play the game.

[thepostman]

kilger, on 02 October 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

Definately not moa form, thats just the most annoying one to other players.  As a mesmer it pales compared to time warp or group stealth.

Goes to show how subjective such questions are.

Moa pales in comparison to group stealth? Really?

[TheDaiyu]

thepostman, on 03 October 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

Moa pales in comparison to group stealth? Really?

thepostman, on 03 October 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

Moa pales in comparison to group stealth? Really?

Maybe he meant "Group stealth when the rest of your team is full of dagger wielding thieves?"  Can you imagine the opposing team all disappears, then your team instantly dies immediately after?  Somebody needs to record that as of yesterday.

[Mekkakat]

TheDaiyu, on 03 October 2012 - 07:09 AM, said:

Maybe he meant "Group stealth when the rest of your team is full of dagger wielding thieves?"  Can you imagine the opposing team all disappears, then your team instantly dies immediately after?  Somebody needs to record that as of yesterday.

I've actually had this thought many times, myself.

[Chesire]

Time Warp and currently a really huge fan of Rampage as One. Pretty much amazing against anything that isn't a conditionmancer, and you really don't even need it against those.

The 20s of stability alone is enough to turn the tide of a battle simply because of being able to stomp people who go down and that is a HUGE factor.

But Time Warp, definitely.. Ever be in 8v8 with a Mesmer running TW with 2+ Shortbow Rangers? May as well bring Gatling guns to the party and call it a day.

Edited by Chesire, 03 October 2012 - 02:40 PM.

[kilger]

thepostman, on 03 October 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

Moa pales in comparison to group stealth? Really?

You've never charged an opposing army only to have their front line disappear only to re-appear in your midst executing all their best attacks which you cant avoid since you dont see it coming?  Its pretty disorienting.  Moa is kindergarden, its powerful only in very small engagements which I could care less about.

edit:  really the only way moa bird is OP is in hurting epeens, which is what all the excessive crying is about.  In the grand scale of the game its a garbage elite, or at least very situational ...you need the enemy to use their elite and counter it so it varies in usefulness, you cant just pop it and get full mileage.

Edited by kilger, 03 October 2012 - 03:10 PM.

[Scarlet_Blossom]

Timewarp. Everything else is weak compared to it.

[Crophancis]

Time Warp. By far.

I never really post like this but:

kilger, on 03 October 2012 - 02:47 PM, said:

edit:  really the only way moa bird is OP is in hurting epeens, which is what all the excessive crying is about.  In the grand scale of the game its a garbage elite, or at least very situational ...you need the enemy to use their elite and counter it so it varies in usefulness, you cant just pop it and get full mileage.

Are you talking about sPvP/tPvP? Then, LOL.

Edited by Crophancis, 03 October 2012 - 04:47 PM.

[kilger]

Crophancis, on 03 October 2012 - 04:44 PM, said:

Time Warp. By far.

I never really post like this but:



Are you talking about sPvP/tPvP? Then, LOL.

wvwvw... mainly.

I still got better effect out of timewarp when I used to spvp in beta.  Moa bird can miss, dodged in 1-1, it has a long cooldown and really is too hit and miss.  Timewarp never misses and can win you an encounter for your team easy, moa bird is just for 1 person.  

My statement before stands, its just a epeen cry inducer, its inferior to everything else the mesmer has.  People just hate moa bird because of what it does to THEM.  Mesmers other elites do a lot more FOR THE MESMER AND THEIR TEAM.

Edited by kilger, 03 October 2012 - 04:57 PM.

[Skyro]

The best elite at what. What situation are we talking about here. No context = no good discussion.

[Rune100]

Not sure which elite is the best, but I can say for sure that the Mesmer has the best arsenal of Elite skills at his disposal. Most classes have 1 or 2 good elite skills, some have none, but Mesmer has a skill for every situation:

• Moa for e-peen fight, when you just need it a little bit bigger.
  
• Group stealth for tactic play.
  
• Mass haste AoE field ( honestly, who thought this one up? ) for ultimate
  
• destruction and carnage. It's a better tide turner than Tome of Interrupt me.

Ranger also have some pretty decent Elite skills.

[Anelyn]

Mesmer has best selection of elite skills hands down. Ranger aoe root is also great (think a guardian or other class with aoe knockback, then ranger rooting enemy team while you neutralize / cap the node).

[ilJumper]

Time Warp = Auto free cap in tPVP

[MrForz]

Elixir X! (Tornado and Rampaging Brute). Tankiness is something to behold, but the stability + massive crowd control is just delicious in WvW, lunge at the head of a fleeing army and stomp the ground.

Edited by MrForz, 04 October 2012 - 09:10 PM.

[Trusin]

kilger, on 03 October 2012 - 04:51 PM, said:

wvwvw... mainly.

I still got better effect out of timewarp when I used to spvp in beta.  Moa bird can miss, dodged in 1-1, it has a long cooldown and really is too hit and miss.  Timewarp never misses and can win you an encounter for your team easy, moa bird is just for 1 person.  

My statement before stands, its just a epeen cry inducer, its inferior to everything else the mesmer has.  People just hate moa bird because of what it does to THEM.  Mesmers other elites do a lot more FOR THE MESMER AND THEIR TEAM.

ya except in tpvp when 1on1 matches are crucial.

As a guard i actually run Renewed focused... 3 extra seconds to hold out + 6 stacks of might 2 rej and 4-5k life and 2 agies + 2 protection.... thats if you spec it. to me its by far the best elite in tpvp but its kinda lame and pointless in any other form of pvp

i mean as far as guard is concerned. wrath and courage have a long cast time and can be cced.

Edited by Trusin, 04 October 2012 - 09:19 PM.

[Keldeo]

Skyro, on 03 October 2012 - 08:19 PM, said:

The best elite at what. What situation are we talking about here. No context = no good discussion.

Basically what he said. I'll assume you are looking for the most practical and best overall elite because every elite is helpful in its own way and serves a useful purpose.

Time Warp is good, that's quite obvious, but is it worth to have a 210 second cooldown skill that will only help you get about 1-2 point caps in a match? You might lose the point later on if you even have to use Time Warp just to get it in the first place. It can just be a last resort in getting an extra 50+ points before you lose the point. I'd say it is good to use at the start of the match and maintain the point for the rest of the match. I feel that it isn't that good of a skill, but possibly still the best overall elite.

Moa is practically just a 10 second daze. It is good to cancel out other elites, and make one person useless for a short while. In 1v1, it gives a free win most of the time but 180 second cooldown for that...? In 1v2, it could help you win if you are good enough, but that is very unlikely unless you can kill a person in 10+ seconds while still keeping you health high for the other. Irritating, but not exactly very good.

Basilisk's Venom is also good, if you are a burst thief, as it gives you an easy backstab to instantly kill a not so tanky person. This is somewhat similar to the Moa elite as it gives you a free 1v1 kill but is only on a 45 second cooldown. Useful for taking out one person that is very threatening, but the thief is made out of pure glass and only useful for his heartseeker to kill people close to dying for 45+ seconds until his Basilisk's Venom burst is ready again.

I could go on and on about every other elite, but I will still say that I don't consider any elite the best overall so far. Every elite is the best for its own purpose

Edited by Keldeo, 04 October 2012 - 10:30 PM.

[Passive Aggressive]

Don't really get all the fuss over the moa.  Just dodge/dodge run away. If it is just me vs. you I don't have enough burst to get you down in the time that moa lasts.

[LStein]

Passive Aggressive, on 04 October 2012 - 11:47 PM, said:

Don't really get all the fuss over the moa.  Just dodge/dodge run away. If it is just me vs. you I don't have enough burst to get you down in the time that moa lasts.

I really wish I had as much dodge to dodge like people proclaim. It is easier for the mesmer to moa you then it is for you to dodge it. If this needs to be explained, well then I hope people are having raping hot joins.

[adra12]

In WvWvW a couple of glass cannon thiefs with Daggerstorm can decimate a zerg and if good actually escape. Though its much less useful in spvp/tpvp.

[styken]

mesmer have the two best elites of game by far, nothing came close, well the skill from elite guardian tome courage that heal 5 allies is great , problem is on tournaments will be hard to use it. ( and will never gonna heal 5 guys because no one will have a full team on one point...3 guys max still great, problem is to use it)

mesmer Moa and time warp are both amazing, moa can counter all elite necros can transform anyone in moa and is a 100% dead to that guy (at least if the mesmer is a good player), time warp is incredible dont need explain why.

btw this was about tournaments

Passive Aggressive, on 04 October 2012 - 11:47 PM, said:

Don't really get all the fuss over the moa.  Just dodge/dodge run away. If it is just me vs. you I don't have enough burst to get you down in the time that moa lasts.

lol. that is valid for everything else.  how many time have you already be trasnformed into moa? xd

Edited by styken, 05 October 2012 - 05:50 PM.

[Mekkakat]

I see Moa more in PvP than I do Time Warp (not to say it isn't amazing, because it is). It's also the only thing knocking down Liches and so on (as a single skill).

[Skyro]

adra12, on 05 October 2012 - 04:47 PM, said:

In WvWvW a couple of glass cannon thiefs with Daggerstorm can decimate a zerg and if good actually escape. Though its much less useful in spvp/tpvp.

You mean stupid zergs? You can easily strip their stability and interrupt daggerstorm.

[AetherMcLoud]

Skyro, on 05 October 2012 - 09:48 PM, said:

You mean stupid zergs? You can easily strip their stability and interrupt daggerstorm.

How do you strip stability (besides moa-ing them)?

Edited by AetherMcLoud, 06 October 2012 - 02:19 PM.

[Skyro]

AetherMcLoud, on 06 October 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

How do you strip stability (besides moa-ing them)?

I usually use Mind Stab.

[LawlAmgad]

Time warp, it's the only motivation I had to make a mesmer, it almost makes me sad that my main doesn't get access to a skill like that.

[Nudge]

Like most others, I'm going to have to give the vote to time warp. Used right, or even wrong really, its a really powerful elite. In small engagements Moa and supply crate are solid choices.

[lmaonade]

Scarlet_Blossom, on 03 October 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

Timewarp. Everything else is weak compared to it.

this, time warp is so stupidly strong when used correctly