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#1 HiTmAn47

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 11:36 AM

First of all , this topic have heavy spoilers .. so don't read if you hate spoilers  




I didn't came up with this speculation myself , but I just wanted to put all thoughts and ideas in one solid topic , because I found it very interesting twist in lore ....

At start we know that there are five elder dragons that have awaken :

Kralkatorrik : The Crystal Dragon that can turn any living thing into a crystal creature called " The Branded "

Zhaitan : The undead dragon that can turn any dead creature into undead called
" The Risen "


Jormag : the Ice dragon that can corrupt any living creature into icy
corrupted version called " The Icebrood "

Primordus : The fire dragon that can create his own minions from rock and lava and are called " The Destroyers "

Deep Sea Dragon  : which we don't have alot of information about besides
that he resides in the deep ocean , and there is some speculations that the krait are his minions or at least servants


now what if we were wrong , and there is actually six dragons not five as we thought , and this seems to be not just  a wild speculation , but the Durmand Priory actually concluded this as a fact ...

because there is a very interesting NPC in the Durmand Priory called "Scholar Trueclaw " ,  and he will say this interesting line  :

"Jotun, mursaat, forgotten, seer, dwarf. Five against six. It seems so unfair. And, yet..  "


but thats not all , this particular NPC will have an extra dialogue if you are part of the order of whispers as you can say

" One must count the uncounted. "

and his reply will be

" And name the unnamed. Shh, I can't talk long. There are eyes and ears everywhere in this place. Infiltrating the Priory has been my hardest assignment to date. "

now thats getting pretty interesting , why he said five races against six ? and what did he mean by one must count the uncounted ?

* for the full script of the NPC  check this :
http://wiki.guildwar...cholar_Trueclaw

does this mean there must be a sixth dragon we didn't count and it
should be remained unnamed ...

Now there are several hints around the world that leads us to solve this
mystery by ourselves ...

1- The Crucible of Eternity entrance is a hexagon , each one of them
represent one of the elder dragons
... one site with fire , another with crystals , another with bones , another with Ice and another one with water .... and finally
there is a sixth site with forest and trees

2- Any Elder dragon have a way to create his own army , Three dragons
create there army by using the living (( or there body )) which are the
branded , Icebrood and the risen .... those dragons can corrupt any
uncorrupted form of life  , we can see a corrupted version of each race ....
each race have a corrupted version ... all but one ... the sylvari ... we have never seen a risen sylvari ... or branded sylvari or Icebrood sylvari  ... that for sure raises a question .... Why ?

3- also we know that the fourth dragon doesn't need a living creature to
create his army , instead he can create his army from the elements he have
power over
, so he create his army " The Destroyers " from lave and stones ,
now who else had the power to create a race from nothing except the elements he have power over !!   ... yes the Sylvari

4- Now it all becomes more clear , and what strengthen this speculation is that the sylvari came into life at the same time the elder dragons awaken ... Coincidence !!

5- Another interesting note  , that through all our encounters with the
Nightmare Court , they keep saying that the Ventari Tablet's teachings has deviated them from what they were truly created for , and they always look at the other sylvari as brainwashed or deluded !!


now all this hints gives us two speculations  , that there is a sixth
dragon represent nature
, and this dragon minion's are the Sylvari ..

but that will also leads us to few more questions ... what is the nature of the
pale tree in this ... is the pale tree is the sixth dragon ?  ... but this
seems unlogical  , what seems more logical is that the pale tree is
actually a champion of the sixth elder dragon
, and has been influenced
by the Ventari and decided to betray her master and side with the mortal races .... we have a similar case happened in the Guild Wars history , as  " Glint " was a champion of the elder dragon Kralkatorrik and betrayed him and sided with the mortal races ....

or we can think about it in a more twisted way , that this is actually a
part of the sixth elder dragon plot
, to weaken the other elder dragons with
there fight agianst the mortal races and in the same time replenishing his own
army with more sylvari ... and in the right moment he assumes control  and destroy what is left of Tyria races or the elder dragons (( whoever wins ))


there are also small hints here and there that supports this theory but they are not as strong as
the above hints :

- At the sylvari tutorial area , you will face a tree like dragon , which have no other match in the world and its totally unique ... why its related to sylvari dream ?

-The sylvari are the only race that are concerned with the elder dragons
from the first moment they were born and they take it as there purpose in life to destroy the elder dragons , and they seem to be the most race that are aware of there threat .

-The sylvari knows too much about zhaitan and his powers more than any
other race (( even the older races )) , and four of them where actually key factors in defeating zhaitan
(( Trahearne , Caithe , Tegwen , Carys ))

- The pale tree knows too much things that predates the time she was
planted in earth  , she knows the full history of Orr , and she also gives us hints about how to defeat Zhaitan

- The Sylvari don't age , and there are no sylvari childern ... they are
just created !!


This topic is opened for discussion and to other speculations or hints that
can support  or reject those assumptions

Edited by HiTmAn47, 07 October 2012 - 12:33 PM.


#2 FoxBat

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 11:44 AM

People laughed this off before but you've presented some very good points, between the crucible and the corrupted dream. I have to believe that the Sylvari do have at a minimum some connection with the 6th "dragon" (it's possible that it's not even a dragon proper, but still similar enough to the elder dragons to be grouped with them. Heck maybe it is even the source/parent??? of the elder dragons?)

I think we can rule out this "dragon" taking full control of the Pale Tree sylvari though. Players aren't going to lose their characters and I doubt the grove is going to vanish either. The Nightmare court also don't seem to be acting as dragon minions at this point either, appearing to retain independent will. Even if some of them figured out they were meant for destruction and consumption, that doesn't mean they will automatically revert to it when the "dragon" shows.

About dragons corrupting living things... I can't recall seeing much of corrupted plants. Maybe some ugly plants in orr but not much else. Would be a good niche left open for that sixth dragon. The sylvari themselves could be considered a "corruption" of trees as is.

Edited by FoxBat, 07 October 2012 - 11:59 AM.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 11:49 AM

View PostHiTmAn47, on 07 October 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

Primordus : The fire dragon that can create his own minions from rock and lava and are called " The Tians "
The Destroyers.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 11:50 AM

I said this a long time ago, not with this evidence though

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 11:58 AM

I ve been thinking about the whole nightmare court thing for quite a while, i can bet they ara actually the way sylvari meant to be, but the ventari tablet influenced the pale three actually  changing the path of the sylvari.

I belive more in that the Pale tree is a Champion that bertrayed the elder dragon, other than a part of the ED since it wouldnt make much sense in the actuall gameplay if at one point all the sylvary turn enemies.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:03 PM

View PostKorra, on 07 October 2012 - 11:58 AM, said:

I ve been thinking about the whole nightmare court thing for quite a while, i can bet they ara actually the way sylvari meant to be, but the ventari tablet influenced the pale three actually  changing the path of the sylvari.
Not entirely.
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Edited by Waar Kijk Je Naar, 07 October 2012 - 12:03 PM.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:05 PM

My bad, havent played the sylavari story yet :P

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:08 PM

View PostWaar Kijk Je Naar, on 07 October 2012 - 11:49 AM, said:

The Destroyers.


yea my bad ... fixed :)

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:12 PM

View PostWaar Kijk Je Naar, on 07 October 2012 - 12:03 PM, said:

Not entirely.
Spoiler
True, but
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Edited by Yski, 07 October 2012 - 12:13 PM.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:18 PM

It's Trahearne, I'm sure.
I knew this idiot was bad news!

Edited by Sovereign, 07 October 2012 - 12:18 PM.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:21 PM

First, it is known that there are 6 EDs.

Second, I've read many theories about this, some saying Pale Trees roots are connected to an ED. Of all theories, I think your has most proof of EDs connected to Sylvari.

Third, the dragon in the Dream is, I think, some sort of "image" of Zhaitan. I think Caithe said it. Or it's just a Nightmare the Nightmare Court created.

Fourth, Pale Tree knows about Orr and it's history, because some of her children, the Sylvari, have gained info of it. The new Sylvari go destroy the EDs, because the Pale Tree shows it to them in the Dream, because the Tree has learned, that the EDs are the biggest threat.

I must say I do believe, that the Sylvari must have some kind of connection to the EDs.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:24 PM

Sixth elder dragon might exist, indeed. There is no conclusive information, however, that it has any malicious intents. For all we know, it could preside over other elder dragons in hierarchy, be opposed to their agenda and have plans of it's own, such as preserving balance on the continent of Tyria. I think it's no coincidence that 5 elder dragons deal in some kind of physical and mental corruption, whereas the Sylvari represent harmony and peace. Even the Nightmare Court, besides philosophical differences, views dragons as a threat and is neither their "slave" nor "property".

Lastly, there are many more "trees" than just the Pale Tree, and for all we know Sylvari could've been born independently in many places at once, with or without sixth dragon's influence - more importantly, a "tree" is neither a follower of The Dream nor the Nightmare on it's own, in fact it's the Pale Tree fighting over dominance with the Nightmare Court, by seeking to convert other "trees" and other "Groves" (and if all else fails, destroying them with all their Sylvari inhabitants). About the Nightmare itself, it's just a flip side of the same coin, very much what the Dream is.

Edited by Lord_Demosthene, 07 October 2012 - 12:27 PM.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:29 PM

View PostMy Sweet Lily, on 07 October 2012 - 12:21 PM, said:

First, it is known that there are 6 EDs.

Second, I've read many theories about this, some saying Pale Trees roots are connected to an ED. Of all theories, I think your has most proof of EDs connected to Sylvari.

Third, the dragon in the Dream is, I think, some sort of "image" of Zhaitan. I think Caithe said it. Or it's just a Nightmare the Nightmare Court created.

Fourth, Pale Tree knows about Orr and it's history, because some of her children, the Sylvari, have gained info of it. The new Sylvari go destroy the EDs, because the Pale Tree shows it to them in the Dream, because the Tree has learned, that the EDs are the biggest threat.

I must say I do believe, that the Sylvari must have some kind of connection to the EDs.

The sylvari can know what other races know or what they encounter in there life ...

but how do you explain the pale tree knowledge of what happened to the last kings of Orr , and how do you explain her knowledge about the source of Orr ?

Edited by HiTmAn47, 07 October 2012 - 12:29 PM.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:39 PM

View PostHiTmAn47, on 07 October 2012 - 12:29 PM, said:



The sylvari can know what other races know or what they encounter in there life ...

but how do you explain the pale tree knowledge of what happened to the last kings of Orr , and how do you explain her knowledge about the source of Orr ?
I think I was unclear. It is explained, that if a Sylvari learns something new from let's say Priory, the Pale Tree will know it, and pass the info to some Sylvari through the dream.

So if the Priory tells what happened to the last king of Orr yo a Sylvari, the Pale Tree will know whay happened to the last king of Orr.

Edited by My Sweet Lily, 07 October 2012 - 12:42 PM.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:39 PM

@_@

Those are some very interesting points... wow. You might actually be right. Also, for someone who's played Sylvari exclusively since they were available in the BWEs, this is ... kind of disturbing, actually. I really don't know what to think. XD

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:40 PM

View PostHiTmAn47, on 07 October 2012 - 12:29 PM, said:

The sylvari can know what other races know or what they encounter in there life ...

but how do you explain the pale tree knowledge of what happened to the last kings of Orr , and how do you explain her knowledge about the source of Orr ?

I would imagine she learns these things from the Dream. The Pale Tree makes it quite clear on several occasions that the Dream has a will of its own and assigns Wyld Hunts as it deems necessary. The Pale Tree herself merely acts as an intermediary and guide. The Dream would also appear to be connected to the mists in some form given things that happen there towards the end of the story.

So what exactly is the Dream? It's more than just a collective conciousness of the sylvari people, that's for sure.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:40 PM

View PostWaar Kijk Je Naar, on 07 October 2012 - 12:03 PM, said:


Not entirely.
Spoiler

I Think you forget that this sylvari suffers from heavy Amnesia and the Nightmare Court believes him to be of quite importance.

The first living things he Sees are friendly Sylvari. Since he does not remember who he is, he believes what they believe.


Not to mention the fact about the skill point in "Zone Green" saying Pale Tree in binary.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:43 PM

Topic moved to lore discussion forum.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:46 PM

Oh man i love these discussions, this sound like a really possible thing to happen.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:54 PM

View Postjonasklk, on 07 October 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

I Think you forget that this sylvari suffers from heavy Amnesia and the Nightmare Court believes him to be of quite importance.

The first living things he Sees are friendly Sylvari. Since he does not remember who he is, he believes what they believe.


Not to mention the fact about the skill point in "Zone Green" saying Pale Tree in binary.

now this is one very interesting note , I have never noticed the binary writing saying " Pale Tree " , I will have to revisit this area to see it myself

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 01:09 PM

Very interesting, one should take note of Ronan, who found the seed that is now the pale tree, lore says:


Ronan was a member of the Shining Blade in the era of the Krytan civil war around 250 years ago. A soldier called to battle, he was at one point separated from his patrol and, in wandering, stumbled upon a guarded cavern filled with mysterious seeds. Escaping with a single seed the size of a man's fist, he stowed it away to show to his daughter. However, it was not to be: he returned to his village only to find his family murdered by mursaat and the village in ruins. In grief, he then swore to lay down his weapons and planted the seed upon the graves. It was near this tree that he would stay for the rest of his life.


That means that for all we know, if those seeds were all planted we would have dozens of pale trees and thousands and thousands of Sylvari. If Sylvari are indeed the minions of this dragon, that would mean he is far stronger than the other elder dragons, because all the other dragon's minions are mindless beasts, while the Sylvari are intelligent and cunning.

Would those seeds be the way of this hypothetical six dragon to disperse his minions all over Tyria? oh boy can't wait for expansions!

Edited by Knuckle Joe, 07 October 2012 - 01:15 PM.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 01:10 PM

I would like to point out that since GW1, the destroyers all share a "common mind" and believed to be controlled by The Great Destroyer(in fact Primordus). This seems to be the case for any of the Elder Dragon's minions(they share a common "mind"). Sylvari also do sort of share a "common mind" known as "The Dream".

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 01:13 PM

First, too much blue in the OP. Second, we've known there's six Elder Dragons for a long time - there's probably, what, seven threads on it and/or the Pale Tree being tied to an ED in it?

Anyways...

View PostHiTmAn47, on 07 October 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

1- The Crucible of Eternity entrance is a hexagon , each one of them
represent one of the elder dragons
... one site with fire , another with crystals , another with bones , another with Ice and another one with water .... and finally
there is a sixth site with forest and trees
And poison. Don't forget that.

It should also be noted that the Infinity Coil Reactor (the area the Crucible of Eternity is in) was created after the Thaumanova Reactor in Metrica Province blew up - in other words, its a replacement location. Take note that the Thaumanova Reactor has an icy area, a fiery area, an aquatic area, and a poison area (which has vegetation).

View PostHiTmAn47, on 07 October 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

2- Any Elder dragon have a way to create his own army , Three dragons
create there army by using the living (( or there body )) which are the
branded , Icebrood and the risen .... those dragons can corrupt any
uncorrupted form of life  , we can see a corrupted version of each race ....
each race have a corrupted version ... all but one ... the sylvari ... we have never seen a risen sylvari ... or branded sylvari or Icebrood sylvari  ... that for sure raises a question .... Why ?

3- also we know that the fourth dragon doesn't need a living creature to
create his army , instead he can create his army from the elements he have
power over
, so he create his army " The Destroyers " from lave and stones ,
now who else had the power to create a race from nothing except the elements he have power over !!   ... yes the Sylvari

4- Now it all becomes more clear , and what strengthen this speculation is that the sylvari came into life at the same time the elder dragons awaken ... Coincidence !!

5- Another interesting note  , that through all our encounters with the
Nightmare Court , they keep saying that the Ventari Tablet's teachings has deviated them from what they were truly created for , and they always look at the other sylvari as brainwashed or deluded !!
Sylvari are immune to corruption - that simple.

Take note that Kudu's Monster - seen in Crucible of Eternity story mode - as well as Subject Alpha - seen in Crucible of Eternity exploration mode - are both creatures with multiple dragon corruptions.

Also take note that Elder Dragons cannot create - they corrupt. Sylvari, however, do not corrupt, they create. The Pale Tree's very personal is the complete opposite of the Elder Dragons. Furthermore, an Elder Dragon awakens every ~50 years - the sylvari awoke 25 years prior to GW2 - that's 20 years prior to Kralkatorrik and roughly 30 years after the DSD. This means that the sylvari would break the convention.

IF the sixth Elder Dragon is awake, it would have awoken during the same time as Primordus (who was pushed back 50 years). Otherwise, the sixth Elder Dragon is still sleeping. Also - we don't even know if the sixth Elder Dragon is even still alive - it could have been killed. We only know that there were six Elder Dragons.

Furthermore, there's a second sylvari tree which completely lacks Ventari's Teachings yet still act vastly different from the NIghtmare Court.



View PostHiTmAn47, on 07 October 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

but that will also leads us to few more questions ... what is the nature of the
pale tree in this ... is the pale tree is the sixth dragon ?  ... but this
seems unlogical  , what seems more logical is that the pale tree is
actually a champion of the sixth elder dragon
, and has been influenced
by the Ventari and decided to betray her master and side with the mortal races .... we have a similar case happened in the Guild Wars history , as  " Glint " was a champion of the elder dragon Kralkatorrik and betrayed him and sided with the mortal races ....
Dear god enough with the bolding...

Fun fact: Glint did not betray Kralkatorrik on her own. The forgotten - a race of serpents - had used a spell on Glint which gave her free will. From this free will she was given the ability to escape Kralkatorrik's influence. In other words Glint was freed by two scenarios coinciding with each other:
1) She was given had free will - something that all Elder Dragon minions lack (fun fact: sylvari have free will) - by the Forgotten
2) She was able to read the minds of others, thus able to realize how "evil" her master is.

The Pale Tree has had no influence by the Forgotten, and the spell they used was... forgotten. Furthermore, the Pale Tree cannot read minds.

View PostHiTmAn47, on 07 October 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

- At the sylvari tutorial area , you will face a tree like dragon , which have no other match in the world and its totally unique ... why its related to sylvari dream ?
This dragon is a representation of Zhaitan, showing the PC his/her Wyld Hunt being that he/she is to defeat Zhaitan.

View PostHiTmAn47, on 07 October 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

-The sylvari knows too much about zhaitan and his powers more than any
other race (( even the older races )) , and four of them where actually key factors in defeating zhaitan
(( Trahearne , Caithe , Tegwen , Carys ))
They only know so much because they all have first person experience with it. Trahearne spent his entire life studying Orr. Caithe spent most of her life fighting dragon minions. Tegwen and Carys went to Orr itself long before any Pact forces. They all have first hand experience. Find a random sylvari and they won't know about Zhaitan or his powers - not as much as those four at least. You just listed the four sylvari with the most experience in fighting Zhaitan.

Hardly evidence - it's falsified and controlled.

View PostHiTmAn47, on 07 October 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

- The pale tree knows too much things that predates the time she was
planted in earth  , she knows the full history of Orr , and she also gives us hints about how to defeat Zhaitan
Who says she knows the history of Orr? Where is this shown? The only history of Orr she knows is through Trahearne's studies. She knows it because of the Dream of Dreams.

Furthermore, the only hints she gives is uniting people - uniting Destiny's Edge who fought and almost killed Kralkatorrik - and uniting the three Orders, all of whom have been studying/fighting Elder Dragon minions for years.

On top of this, she has access to the Dream of Dreams which predates her. The Dream of Dream sounds very much like the Mists, actually.

View PostHiTmAn47, on 07 October 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

- The Sylvari don't age , and there are no sylvari childern ... they are
just created !!
We don't know this for certain, actually, given how young the sylvari race is.

View PostYski, on 07 October 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

True, but
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View Postjonasklk, on 07 October 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

I Think you forget that this sylvari suffers from heavy Amnesia and the Nightmare Court believes him to be of quite importance.

The first living things he Sees are friendly Sylvari. Since he does not remember who he is, he believes what they believe.

Actually, he didn't lost his memory at all. He knew exactly where his pod was, where he awoke from. He knew everything since he was born. There's just no Dream of Dreams for him and he knew nothing of the other sylvari or the Grove. It's just assumed by the PC, and in turn Caithe and Trahearne, that he lost his memory since there was no knowledge of other sylvari. But it's revealed if you follow Caithe's path that's not the case.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 01:21 PM

Valid points Konig, but that leaves us with another hole in the lore. Why are there other "pale tree" seeds? where do they come from? what created them and for what purpose?

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 01:25 PM

I think Malyck has a confirmed seperate tree which really makes me doubt the whole Pale Tree is an Elder Dragon thing. If anything, I think the Pale Tree is a Champion, though I would love it to turn out to be the last Elder Dragon we fight.

We find the source of the Pale Tree's acorn, we'll find the true Elder Dragon.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 01:37 PM

View PostKonig Des Todes, on 07 October 2012 - 01:13 PM, said:

Also take note that Elder Dragons cannot create - they corrupt.

The Destroyers?...

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 01:46 PM

View PostKnuckle Joe, on 07 October 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

Valid points Konig, but that leaves us with another hole in the lore. Why are there other "pale tree" seeds? where do they come from? what created them and for what purpose?
I personally believe that they are a further evolutionary phase of treants (Oakhearts, Pinesouls, Mosshearts, etc.) as treants seem to be fairly tied to sylvari and, furthermore, they are sentient mobile trees. Also take note that Faolain was growing a "Nightmare Tree" which is, literally, a twisted version of a large mossheart.

View PostPotato Cat, on 07 October 2012 - 01:25 PM, said:

I think Malyck has a confirmed seperate tree which really makes me doubt the whole Pale Tree is an Elder Dragon thing. If anything, I think the Pale Tree is a Champion, though I would love it to turn out to be the last Elder Dragon we fight.

We find the source of the Pale Tree's acorn, we'll find the true Elder Dragon.
Assuming there is a direct tie between the Pale Tree and the sixth Elder Dragon - which we don't even know if it's still alive - I doubt we'll fight it. That's pretty much removing the sylvari race and an entire city, which would really put a damper on new characters while giving to old characters. It won't work out.

At best, the Pale Tree will turn into a benevolent Elder Dragon or champion. However, there is no true support for the notion once one gets down to it - even the presence of Nightmare Hounds and Husks in Crucible of Eternity, and the skill challenge in Zone Green with binary which supposedly translate to "Pale Tree" - keep in mind that the Nightmare Court are in an alliance with the Inquest, so their presence near Inquest base would be common place (however there are no actual sylvari in the Crucible of Eternity). The Inquest may be experimenting to find out why there's immunity to the dragon energies.

Also keep in mind that two creatures which hold all dragons' energies that the Inquest has their hands on and experimented with - Kudu's Monster and Subject Alpha - lack plant or water attacks (the sixth ED and the DSD), however there is a dialogue indicating that the Inquest aren't yet ready for experimenting with the DSD's minion they have (indications give they have one singular but large minion of the DSD) while also note that they have experimented with husks... so why are these two creatures which contain all ED abilities that the Inquest have their hands on, lack plant attacks?

Answer is simple: The Nightmare Husks are not ED minions. And the husks are made (or by one's argument in support for Pale Tree=ED (champ), corrupted) by Nightmare Court sylvari. Therefore, the Nightmare Court and thus sylvari are not ED minions.


The only true questionable in this situation is: why is there a binary code in Zone Green that - supposedly, as the only source I've seen for this is Wooden Potatoes who has been wrong in lore before (frequently) - translates into "Pale Tree" - given the complete lack of context behind it, the conjectures are truly endless.

View PostOutt, on 07 October 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

The Destroyers?...
Are corrupted fire and stone, twisted into forms of mockery of living races given mobility by Primordus' minions but are by all appearances, mindless in of themselves (beyond the scope of sharing Primordus and his champion's sentience, that is).

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 01:50 PM

View PostKonig Des Todes, on 07 October 2012 - 01:46 PM, said:


Are corrupted fire and stone, twisted into forms of mockery of living races given mobility by Primordus' minions but are by all appearances, mindless in of themselves (beyond the scope of sharing Primordus and his champion's sentience, that is).

You can't "corrupt" something that isn't living, you can "create" a being from lava and stone, but to corrupt something they need to be free thinking, or be able to think at all, lava and stone cannot.

You don't change the lava or stone, you as you said, twist it into a living being, or create a living being.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 02:06 PM

So you're saying that the Dragonbrand isn't corruption then? Or the ice that Jormag's corruption (outright called this by... every NPC) is of the land?

To corrupt is to alter, change, perverse for the negative. It means to take something - living or dead, organic or inorganic - and twist it into something darker, worse. Corruption is the dark side of the coin that is transforming.

Destroyers are corrupted lava and fire, given mobility. Nothing more.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 02:08 PM

View PostKonig Des Todes, on 07 October 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

So you're saying that the Dragonbrand isn't corruption then? Or the ice that Jormag's corruption (outright called this by... every NPC) is of the land?

To corrupt is to alter, change, perverse for the negative. It means to take something - living or not - and twist it into something darker, worse. Corruption is the dark side of the coin that is transforming.

Destroyers are corrupted lava and fire, given mobility. Nothing more.

So why can't Sylvari just be the corrupted earth, "purified" in a way by the teachings of Ventari?

Edited by Potato Cat, 07 October 2012 - 02:08 PM.





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