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#31 SaberDesu

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 07:11 AM

to all the people who are upset over RNG
youve obviously never played maplestory

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 08:17 AM

View PostSaberDesu, on 14 October 2012 - 07:11 AM, said:

to all the people who are upset over RNG
youve obviously never played maplestory

Just because there is worse doesn't mean bad is acceptable.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 12:41 AM

Keep legendaries hard to obtain.   They're supposed to be extremely difficult to get otherwise they wouldn't be legendary would they.

Wealthy people manipulating the TP is another story and should be looked into.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 12:50 AM

View PostLOCOMOFO, on 15 October 2012 - 12:41 AM, said:

Keep legendaries hard to obtain.   They're supposed to be extremely difficult to get otherwise they wouldn't be legendary would they.

Wealthy people manipulating the TP is another story and should be looked into.

Agree.

However, there's other ways of making things difficult to obtain without RNG.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 01:03 PM

View PostLOCOMOFO, on 15 October 2012 - 12:41 AM, said:

Keep legendaries hard to obtain.   They're supposed to be extremely difficult to get otherwise they wouldn't be legendary would they.

Wealthy people manipulating the TP is another story and should be looked into.
You don't think the non-RNG stuff (basically everything except for the precursor from the mystic forge) require enough work on their own?

What about the RNG do you think is legendary?  It's not like anyone would ever be considered a great achiever for winning the lottery.

#36 Waar Kijk Je Naar

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 02:06 PM

Even if they would hand out the precursor weapons for free, 99,9% of all players would still never get a legendary weapon. This rng isn't needed, really.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 03:23 PM

View PostVampiresbane, on 10 October 2012 - 05:36 PM, said:

Right before prices went way up, 50 gold cost about 200 US dollars.  You might be able to get more gold/gem now, but the conversion still isn't pretty.  I shudder to think how much money folks are paying Arenanet JUST to get a precurser (not even the legendary itself) if they cost upwards of 300g.  Don't even want to think what players will do if the prices go to 500g or 1,000g.

Either way, getting enough gold via disposable income?  Well you must have some SERIOUS disposable income.  Just seems wrong to spend thousands of real life money on a virtual precursor item.  Use that kind of cash to buy a car or make a down payment on a house.

You know what's even funnier about this?  Once you hit a certain dollar amount, you can no longer purchase gems on your account (I found this limit to be $500 for me, others may vary)  I didn't even convert but maybe 1500 gems to gold... I used mine for dye kits and other assorted thingies, but I digress; once you reach that limit, anytime you wish to purchase gems with any payment method, you have to contact support, wait a few days, and then they give you a 24-48 hour window to purchase.  If you fail to purchase during that time, your account is reflagged as suspicious and you cannot buy gems using any payment medium.  

Now, this is true insanity.  You've spent a lot of your own disposable income on the gem store... never had a payment fraud issue, have  an authenticator secured account (at least I do), have a PayPal in perfect standing, have a debit card that is over 6 months old and a credit card over 3 years old, both of which have never had fraudulent purchases... and yet, NCSoft flags your account for potential fraud and restricts gem purchases.  It baffles my mind... so I stopped using the gem store at this point, because I don't have the time or patience to plan my gem purchases in advance... they are supposed to be random or as needed.

So, the real money to gold idea is out too, because ANET/NCSoft will not allow you to spend the amount of money it would take to even accomplish that.  Get to grinding folks!

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 08:48 PM

How is gambling bad? RNG is good, it makes it more exciting when you get your precursor.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 10:40 PM

View PostPrimal Zed, on 21 October 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

You don't think the non-RNG stuff (basically everything except for the precursor from the mystic forge) require enough work on their own?

What about the RNG do you think is legendary?  It's not like anyone would ever be considered a great achiever for winning the lottery.

It honestly doesn't bother me.  That could be because I have no interest in obtaining a legendary anytime soon I will admit.  Maybe way down the track when I've already accumulated most of the ingredients naturally, I'll make an effort.

But I'd prefer the method to stay as is.  It's just a skin and while it may look cool, it doesn't give you any stat advantage.  So really at the moment it's just a gold sink for people with extreme wealth to blow their money on.  Given that you need to put so much effort into obtaining it, not many people will attempt it, thus leaving them kinda rare.  Just about everyone is already running around with exotics now, I'd hate to see the same with something that's considered legendary.  i prefer to only see them occasionally, so they keep that little bit of awe when you do see someone wielding one.

The RNG aspect is just another hurdle you have to overcome to get your hands on the rarest items in the game.  Keep them rare IMO.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 07:55 AM

I just visited few gold selling sites, because yes I am THAt desperate and I just can't see myself getting needed gold any time soon (after almost 2 months of farming every day I only have 62 g) and if they add more ways to make gold easier prices will grow up again. And I saw that few of them sell Dusk for 400 eu.
Dear Anet, by not doing anything about precursors you pretty much SUPPORT outside gold selling yourself. You REALLY need to do something about pre-cursors, I'd say unless it's your initial idea to feed asian (or whatever) farmers, you should start selling account bound pre-cursors for about 500k karma.

To everyone who says that legendary should be hard to obtain: Then take leggys from those who already crafted them/bought Dusk cheap because they managed to do it long before price reached 350-400g.

Edited by TheVice, 22 October 2012 - 07:57 AM.


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Posted 22 October 2012 - 08:14 AM

View PostTheVice, on 22 October 2012 - 07:55 AM, said:

To everyone who says that legendary should be hard to obtain: Then take leggys from those who already crafted them/bought Dusk cheap because they managed to do it long before price reached 350-400g.

it's called playing smart and anticipating market changes. Why should they be punished for that? I bought like 10 stacks of mystic coins before the price jumped since I know someday people will realise that it's the one thing that cannot really be farmed. And now the price has jumped. I offloaded quite a few back when the price went to over 5s each.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 12:16 PM

View PostWaar Kijk Je Naar, on 21 October 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

Even if they would hand out the precursor weapons for free, 99,9% of all players would still never get a legendary weapon. This rng isn't needed, really.

The precursor is the main bottle neck of the current batch of legendary chasers. Over half the player base won;t attempt legendaries because of their prerequisite.  Of the half that remain, a significant chunk will abandon the process as it needs over 500g. Now for the remaining people the main limiting factor will be the precursor. If it was easily obtainable then given time, around 10-20% of the player base will get them. By making one item extremely hard to get, RNG effectively reduces the number by 90%+.

If AN want legendaries to keep that status then pre cursors have to remain extremely difficult to obtain - having a guaranteed way is never 'extremely' difficult  It will always have a set time amount and people can plan for it. The reason many games keep the rarest weapons rare is through RNG. I feel for those who missed the cheap pre cursor boat but if you truly want a legendary then stick at it, it was never meant to be a 1-2 month thing.

View PostTheVice, on 22 October 2012 - 07:55 AM, said:

I just visited few gold selling sites, because yes I am THAt desperate and I just can't see myself getting needed gold any time soon (after almost 2 months of farming every day I only have 62 g) and if they add more ways to make gold easier prices will grow up again. And I saw that few of them sell Dusk for 400 eu.
Dear Anet, by not doing anything about precursors you pretty much SUPPORT outside gold selling yourself. You REALLY need to do something about pre-cursors, I'd say unless it's your initial idea to feed asian (or whatever) farmers, you should start selling account bound pre-cursors for about 500k karma.

To everyone who says that legendary should be hard to obtain: Then take leggys from those who already crafted them/bought Dusk cheap because they managed to do it long before price reached 350-400g.

If you cannot farm more than 62g/ play the TP for more, then you haven;t realised that the other components for the weapon will take you well over 500g for most. It was not meant to be an item you get now but take several months as AN have not got much of a PvE endgame. 62g is a lot more than most and if you keep at it you'll get there.

I am working my way towards my legendary and I haven;t bought and gold, farmed every bit of it/ played the TP. I bought my precursor off the TP too. Its entirely possible to get gold if you work for it. Good luck and don;t stop trying, if you want it bad enough you'll get it - I'd avoid the MF though, lost 50-100g trying for mine.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 01:24 PM

View Posttallanx, on 22 October 2012 - 08:14 AM, said:

it's called playing smart and anticipating market changes. Why should they be punished for that? I bought like 10 stacks of mystic coins before the price jumped since I know someday people will realise that it's the one thing that cannot really be farmed. And now the price has jumped. I offloaded quite a few back when the price went to over 5s each.

Then I'm sure they can perfectly "play smart" and buy pre-requisite for 400g like the rest of us!

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 02:30 PM

View PostTheVice, on 23 October 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

Then I'm sure they can perfectly "play smart" and buy pre-requisite for 400g like the rest of us!

wth? your post doesn't make any sense whatsoever

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 08:11 AM

View Posttallanx, on 23 October 2012 - 02:30 PM, said:

wth? your post doesn't make any sense whatsoever

and yours does? "legendary should be hard to obtain so high price is ok and nvm those few who managed to get it very cheap and easy in first month, it's perfectly fine too". Whatever. Feeling like talking to a wall here.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 02:57 AM

View PostTheVice, on 24 October 2012 - 08:11 AM, said:

and yours does? "legendary should be hard to obtain so high price is ok and nvm those few who managed to get it very cheap and easy in first month, it's perfectly fine too". Whatever. Feeling like talking to a wall here.

they didn't get it cheap. Back then it was also expensive relative to what people had. I'm the one who feels like I'm talking to a wall because you don't seem to understand how an economy works at all. The price of goods will go UP as demand increases and as people obtain more gold and inflation starts to kick in.

Your complaint can be summarised as "Person A is better than me and works harder than me and has a better family than me. Therefore the government should burn Person A's house to the ground, destroy his/her business and kill all his/her family. That way I will be on the same level as Person A."

I'll use a real world example for you: Did you know that 20 years ago people were buying houses for like 1/5th the current price of houses? The government should totally burn those people's houses. Shame on them for working hard and buying their own house early before the prices went up.

Edited by tallanx, 25 October 2012 - 03:03 AM.






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