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[Andy75a]

Hello there,

I'm new to both GW2 and the warrior profession and as a result I'm literally full of questions.

Initially I played a Guardian but I oould not find my 'way' in WvW: squshy, no viable range etc...

And in fact here I am with the Warrior and a lot of questions:

1) could anyone suggest me a good WvW build which combines survivability and damage? is such thing viable?

2) I'm not a huge fan of GS but I seem to notice that most people run around with one: is it just for 100blades?

3) is it viable using 3 weapon options (Melee/melee & melee/ranged) to adjust to different situations such as a skirmish or a siege?

any other suggestion will be most welcome!!

many thanks

[Nost]

For WvW I run with a Longbow and Sword/Warhorn. Not very effective 1v1, but I run with my guild so I am rarely alone, I can put a lot of burning AoE and can escape quickly with Savage Leap and the Warhorn speed buff. It's effective for cleaning out attackers or clearing walls. Any where there are large groups of enemy, I'm putting  down the burning. My gear is Karma gear with Condition Damage and Toughness. I run with Balanced Stance, Endure Pain, (for getting in and out of towers and keeps that are under siege), and Berserker Stance to build adrenaline quickly.

Remember, this is an AOE build, not effective 1v1.

Edited by Nost, 09 October 2012 - 03:29 PM.

[Lord_Demosthene]

Here is my lv 80 Warrior build, specifically tailored to most common WvW threats for solo-roaming & capturing, small & medium group action, "suppressive fire" in PvDoor scenarios and general zerg encounters:

I. Weapon Sets

Spoiler

A) primary weapon set - rifle

- your bread & butter weapon, to initiate combat, control & kite your opponent
- your best source of single-target DPS (thanks to sustained, long-range damage)

B) secondary weapon - sword & shield

- your "adrenaline spike" weapon, leap + bash + flurry is absolutely devastating on unsuspecting foes, and even more fatal to enemies which just burned their last condition removal skill
- your "fallback" set in tight 1v1, 1v2, 1v3 and 2v3 situations, absolutely breaking carefully-prepared bursts
- technically "best" dueling weapon, if you can reliably maintain melee distance AND your opponent is more deadly from range than up-close

C) "inventory swap" weapons - longbow, warhorn

- make use of that warhorn for quick movement when no enemies are around
- swap your primary or secondary set for longbow in bridge defence/PvDoor scenarios, if singling out specific enemies with rifle isn't more optimal (it's a personal judgement call coming from experience, usually staying on rifle and being selective towards troublemakers yields better results)

II. Heal, Utilities & Elite

Spoiler

A) bread & butter

- healing signet
- "fear me!"
- endure pain
- balanced stance
- signet of rage

B) possible variations

- swap "fear me!" with signet of stamina (provides you with condition removal and superior dueling against certain builds & professions, however "fear me!" is all-round more useful, allowing for impossible comebacks, superior team/group utility and spectacular escapes)
- swap healing signet with either mending or healing surge (this build loses a lot by pausing during attacking, since it relies on pressuring opponents into fleeing before they become a threat, instead of trading "bursts" with them)

III. Equipment

Spoiler

A) weapons

- rifle - sigil of earth
- sword - sigil of earth
- shield - sigil of earth (stacks multiplicatively), corruption (extra condition damage), other
- longbow - sigil of earth

B) armour

- toughness-precision-condition gear
- 6x rune of the undead

C) trinkets

- backpack: green "storyline reward" power-precision-condition, with power-precision-condition jewel
- power-precision-condition rings/earrings/amulet, with power-precision-condition jewels

IV. Traits

Spoiler

- 30 Arms (Deep Cuts, Crack Shot, Blademaster)
- 30 Defence (Missile Deflection, Shield Master, Spiked Armour)
- 10 Tactics (Leg Specialist)

Alternatives:

- Furious instead of Blademaster (for more reliable Flurry spam & better health margins over time from Adrenal Health)
- Stronger Bowstrings instead of Leg Specialist, when inventory-swapping to Longbow

V. Total Stats & Tactics

Spoiler

A) stats

- 2550 Attack
- 1406 Condition Damage
- 59% Critical Chance
- 2929 Armour
- 19422 Health

B) tactics

Sheer majority of your WvW opponents will have absolutely no clue what they are doing, bring little to no stunbreakers & condition removers and use non-max gear. While the builds themselves over time will standardise ("PvX effect", peer pressure), general quality of players will not (outside few quality guilds). Because of that, the focus of this build is on obliterating unprepared, weak and stupid opponents, bringing minimal necessary control to more serious fights (immobilize, cripple, knockback, fear) and maximising your chance of escape from fights you cannot win (5v2 etc.).

Build is most optimal in small-group scenarios - patrolling trade routes, taking over minor objectives (supply camps, creature camps, Quaggan altars etc.). In bigger battles, high defence, good health pool and passive regeneration allow you to negate AoE damage and stray shots, while reliably pressuring the enemy from distance. Since majority of your damage comes from bleeding stacks and you can reapply them quickly and efficiently, high-defence targets will melt in prolonged fights while burst-oriented, squishy characters will likely give up after second failed attempt to spike you down or reliably pressure in melee range.

C) caveats

This is a noob-stomper build. There are better, all-round Warrior builds specifically designed for synergy in group/guild setting, with superior control or damage. This build is mostly focused on self-reliability and eliminating most common, incompetent enemies. Huge duelling potential is a bonus. If you want to min-max in competitive environment, wrong address - this build is very specific, I use it for myself and generally don't share it with anyone. First and last exception here.

Edited by Lord_Demosthene, 10 October 2012 - 02:41 PM.

[lmaonade]

1.I'd say warriors cannot build w/o some survival in WvW, as for a specific build, I'll leave that for others

2.people run around with GS because it's a popular weapon (due to feel and looks), it has good in fight mobility and chase, nice damage on all skills except auto attack chain, and yes people do usually get it for the 100 blades, but don't worry, rarely do random people in WvW know how to set up the skill properly

3.Yes it's perfectly fine to run around with 3 weapon sets, but the swapping from inventory can get tedious at times.

[Andy75a]

I've tried GS but I feel I realy miss too many hits so it's probably not right for me! I was thinking about running an axe/sword build paired with either a ranged or......and here I'm stuck. what could I pair with Axe/Sword as a second melee choice (not GS)

[cthulhuazathoth]

1. Well I have not found the magic build and most likely I will never. You can focus skill in DPS and use gears to beef up, but survivability in WvW is more than just beefing up - condition removal is also a key aspect.

2. GS/Sig is IMHO not very useful in WvW. HB deal big damage but is relative ez to avoid. Those running with one are usually new in WvW or just too lazy to switch (aka me). I usually run a S/S or S/WH if I going to spend some major time in WvW mode,

3. I actually run more then 3 set. main set: S/S, S/WH, GS, hammer, Axe/SH - not a mace kind of guy ..:-).  2nd set is usually LB or RF. One good thing about War is we are jack of all trades and can fill multiple needs based on situation. AOE, Range, DPS, DOT, tank, CC ... etc. You will not be able to build for all of them but that doesn't means you can't serve that roll.

[Dhag]

cthulhuazathoth, on 12 October 2012 - 07:13 PM, said:

3. I actually run more then 3 set. main set: S/S, S/WH, GS, hammer, Axe/SH - not a mace kind of guy ..:-).  2nd set is usually LB or RF. One good thing about War is we are jack of all trades and can fill multiple needs based on situation. AOE, Range, DPS, DOT, tank, CC ... etc. You will not be able to build for all of them but that doesn't means you can't serve that roll.

I would not count the mace out as the OH weapon.  I ran around w/ Axe/Mace as my roaming build, paired up with my group I had 2 ways to stack on weakness, a cripple, an immobolize, bleed etc. Hell, I just LOVED hitting the 5 key and watch my mace splay out someone who did 2 dodges missing other attacks and then get flattened and jumped by me and my guild mates.

[Tubbz]

Andy75a, on 09 October 2012 - 06:31 AM, said:

Hello there,

I'm new to both GW2 and the warrior profession and as a result I'm literally full of questions.

Initially I played a Guardian but I oould not find my 'way' in WvW: squshy, no viable range etc...

And in fact here I am with the Warrior and a lot of questions:

1) could anyone suggest me a good WvW build which combines survivability and damage? is such thing viable?

2) I'm not a huge fan of GS but I seem to notice that most people run around with one: is it just for 100blades?

3) is it viable using 3 weapon options (Melee/melee & melee/ranged) to adjust to different situations such as a skirmish or a siege?

any other suggestion will be most welcome!!

many thanks

Hiya dude thought id put my imput i read these forums, rarely post anything so here it goes. I love my warrior people moan all the time about us being the "weak" class but i dont think so in WvWvW i run with a full tough/vitality/power build using either sword/warhorn and hammer or sword/shield with hammer. the hammer is brilliant for control in big groups or 1 vs 1 and if you use your traits right it can get you out of some sticky situations. i love damage on axe but i think sword gets a bit of a edge when it comes to moving as your second ability leaps quite a distance to them "Running" away targets. hope this helps if you want any more information feel free to ask

[Rhaegar1914]

what would you guys think about Axe/Shield & Sword/Axe keeping a warhorn and rifle for specific situations?

I find that ax/sh will offer me more defense...and love Eviscerate whilst Sword/axe will allow me mobility....and I love skill 5 of the axe lol

Do you think this kind of setup would be a lot less powerful that GS?

The issue with GS is that in my previous life as a guardian I learned fairly easily how to avoid HB and I imagine that a lot of people are doing the same!

[cthulhuazathoth]

Rhaegar1914, on 15 October 2012 - 10:17 AM, said:

what would you guys think about Axe/Shield & Sword/Axe keeping a warhorn and rifle for specific situations?

I find that ax/sh will offer me more defense...and love Eviscerate whilst Sword/axe will allow me mobility....and I love skill 5 of the axe lol

Do you think this kind of setup would be a lot less powerful that GS?

The issue with GS is that in my previous life as a guardian I learned fairly easily how to avoid HB and I imagine that a lot of people are doing the same!

Depended on what you want to do. in WvW no you wont because GS is like you said rather ez to aviod. In PVE however, GS is much more useful. I personally use S/S instead of S/H, the 2 off hand skill are really useful in WvW.

[Andy75a]

Rhaegar1914, on 15 October 2012 - 10:17 AM, said:

what would you guys think about Axe/Shield & Sword/Axe keeping a warhorn and rifle for specific situations?

I find that ax/sh will offer me more defense...and love Eviscerate whilst Sword/axe will allow me mobility....and I love skill 5 of the axe lol

Do you think this kind of setup would be a lot less powerful that GS?

The issue with GS is that in my previous life as a guardian I learned fairly easily how to avoid HB and I imagine that a lot of people are doing the same!

similar ideas for me: any feedback?

[Shinimas]

Quote

Guardian

squshy

Aha... ahahahahaha. Good one.

...

Quit the game. Not being an ass. You won't find a class that suits your playstyle. Warrior is the most squishy profession in PvP.

[Andy75a]

Shinimas, on 19 October 2012 - 12:04 AM, said:

Aha... ahahahahaha. Good one.

Quit the game. Not being an ass. You won't find a class that suits your playstyle. Warrior is the most squishy profession in PvP.

lol that is an amazing contribution to the discussion What else can you write after "quit the game"? Why not something new like "Learn To Play", "noob", " can I have your stuff?"

Edited by Andy75a, 19 October 2012 - 06:24 AM.

[nekomimimode]

in WvW as a warrior I constantly change my build to fit the situation because as stated above we are kind of a jack of all trades class. I would not stick with any set build. So honestly the real question to me is which trait spread and stat build will give you the best ability to do that without respeccing or swapping gear.

I run precision/condition dmg/toughness gear with 20 Arms, 30 Tactics, 20 Discipline (0,20,0,30,20) as I feel this gives a wide array of options using the weapons that set benefits the most (sword,rifle,longbow sort of), with leeway to support but still some quite a bit in offense. And easy to maintain permaswiftness to boot.

However, if you are not looking to hardcore support I would not recommend maxing any trait line save for _maybe_ defense and going full on balanced. The 30 point ones are really not needed.

[Antithesis]

Shinimas, on 19 October 2012 - 12:04 AM, said:

Quit the game. Not being an ass. You won't find a class that suits your playstyle. Warrior is the most squishy profession in PvP.

Not sure why people like this even post. Everyone just ignores them anyway ( while laughing at them ).

So I have played Warrior since beta not the easiest class for WvW but definately playable. It can be specced as a good all around but I have not been able to dominate ( certainly dodge and skills are critical ). But still have alot of fun while being involved where ever the fight goes.

You can spec high dps but then need to stay away from direct melee. So either rifle/bow with GS/Axe to finish off.

Or spec defense/health for melee but then wont have the power to kill anyone yourself. Axe/Mace/GS.

I play more in the middle 3k armor, 46% crit, and 3k attack. Main axe/shield with GS to finish. Never use 100b as everyone can escape. Also carry both rifle/bow, depending on situation, for defending or when fighting at distance.

The GS not only has great dps but also can be used for escape. So not a bad first or second weapon.

Having said all this I am still chasing the perfect build. Always trying something different but using Knights armor with 0/20/30/0/20 right now.

Edited by Antithesis, 09 November 2012 - 02:09 AM.

[Anzuri]

Other things to consider - do you have a high png, and do you have a slow computer? My build reflects the fact that I would say yes to both of those questions. Hammer + gs for a high cc medium damage and excellent survival build. Doesn't win all the time because of my handicaps but still owns. Can even hold its own for a good while against 4-5 players until your team arrives, you run or you down 1 or 2 players.

Don't underestimate the gs in wvw. Yes 100blades is so easy to dodge unless you use frenzy but I only use it to get a bit of damage in after a cc or if my team has contributed to a cc, but usually don't let the full sequence finish. The gs gives you great melee aoe and some of the best mobility skills in the game. If you want to go full support swap the gs for mace/shield or sword shield.

Finding the perfect build does come down to how you play tho. I love to lead the charge jump into a big group do some cc and damage then finish off when the team joins the fight or run back behind the lines. It also acts as a brilliant distraction as most tend to switch targets to the fool that just rushed them leavin my team to dish out some vital damage as they try to take me down. This build was built for that

Edited by Anzuri, 11 November 2012 - 04:15 PM.

[Cerrik]

Try this build i use it for WvW and i find i can get around 30k+ HP Depending on Buffs. The Enemies have trouble killing me and i have good support heals and damage aswell. Enjoy ^^

http://en.gw2codex.c...94-the-sentinel

Armour
+Power
+Toughness
+Vitality
Accessories
Sapphire/Cleric
+Healing
+Power
+Toughness
Runes
Superior Rune of the Soldier (1): +25 Vitality (2): +15 Toughness (3): +50 Vitality (4): +35 Toughness (5): +90 Vitality (6): Shouts remove a condition.

With Condition Removal +6 bonus every 20sec i have 3 shouts that heal and remove conditions

Wepons/Sigil
Sword - Sigil of Superior Blood +30% chance to life steal on critical.
Shield - Sigil of Superior Leeching Your next attack after swapping to this weapon while in combat steals some health.
Axe - Sigil of Superior Blood +30% chance to life steal on critical.
Warhorn -Sigil of Superior Energy 25% of your endurance when you swap to this weapon while in combat.

Food
Master Maintenance Oil Nourishment (30m): Gain power [sic] equal to 6% of your toughness
Gain power [sic] equal to 4% of your vitality
+10 Experience from kills.

Mango Pies  Nourishment (30 m): Gain health every second.
+70 vitality
+10 Experience from kills