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#1 Mexay

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 02:46 PM

So, upon seeing the information Lindsey gave us (source) I have come to the conclusion that there is a set list of exotic great swords which have the highest potential to yield Dusk or Dawn.

Lindsey states that "As a quick note, the higher the level and rarity of the things you are throwing into the forge, the better your chances of getting a Legendary Precursor."

She follows this up later by saying: Though not all Exotics are “created equal” they are all of the same rarity: Exotic.


This potentially means that though the recipes requires 4 exotics, some exotics yield better results.


From this, I conclude that the NAMED greatswords that are created via the forge and as rare drops have the highest yield rate for Dawn or Dusk. Currently there is ~10 named greatswords (e.g. Naegling, Dhuumseal, Breath of Flame, etc).




If anyone is willing to try this, I would recommend they do so as it has the potential to yield ~10 - 20x your cash back. It also means we get closer to discovering a recipe for creating the legendaries.





K, go!


Disclaimer:
I am not trying to sell naegling, dhuumseal or any other weapon. I have 27s and nothing for sale on the trading post except for 3 major sigils. So please don't shout and scream and tear up and throw a fit like a child and say I'm trying to sell those weapons quicker. I'm simply theorycrafting here. I am prepared to provide screenshots of my bank, inventory and TP log to prove it. Not only this, I am personally not responsible if this theory does not work, nor will I accept any responsibility if it does work. Forge at your own risk, this is just a theory.

Edited by Mexay, 09 October 2012 - 02:54 PM.


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Posted 09 October 2012 - 02:48 PM

View PostMexay, on 09 October 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

So, upon seeing the information Lindsey gave us (source) I have come to the conclusion that there is a set list of exotic great swords which have the highest potential to yield Dusk or Dawn.

Lindsey states that "As a quick note, the higher the level and rarity of the things you are throwing into the forge, the better your chances of getting a Legendary Precursor."

She follows this up later by saying: Though not all Exotics are “created equal” they are all of the same rarity: Exotic.


This potentially means that though the recipes requires 4 exotics, some exotics yield better results.


From this, I conclude that the NAMED greatswords that are created via the forge and as rare drops have the highest yield rate for Dawn or Dusk. Currently there is ~10 named greatswords (e.g. Naegling, Dhuumseal, Breath of Flame, etc).




If anyone is willing to try this, I would recommend they do so as it has the potential to yield ~10 - 20x your cash back. It also means we get closer to discovering a recipe for creating the legendaries.





K, go!

This also has the potential to bankrupt the player trying it while destroying weapons they may have been using. This is also not a recipe (as your title is very misleading) seeing as it was confirmed there is no set recipe. This is purely a speculative way to increase your odds. That is not the same thing.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 03:12 PM

your post makes no sense, it was said very clearly: all exotics are from the same rarity, therefore doesn't matter being named or not

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 03:18 PM

ah that clears it up then.. any 4 exotics will have the highest chance- and if you want a certain one you should not mix the weapon types

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 03:22 PM

View PostKorlic, on 09 October 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

This also has the potential to bankrupt the player trying it while destroying weapons they may have been using. This is also not a recipe (as your title is very misleading) seeing as it was confirmed there is no set recipe. This is purely a speculative way to increase your odds. That is not the same thing.

Thus the question mark at the end and the "possible"

Learn to reading comprehension.



View PostKnuckledust13, on 09 October 2012 - 03:12 PM, said:

your post makes no sense, it was said very clearly: all exotics are from the same rarity, therefore doesn't matter being named or not
It does make sense, though. If you read the sauce on it, you'll see why. "not created equal" thus meaning they aren't equal. Again, I'm just theorizing and that doesn't mean I have to be right. it's entirely possible that I could be WRONG. Jeez, sorry for trying to offer an idea to help the community.


View PostMustache Mayhem, on 09 October 2012 - 03:18 PM, said:

ah that clears it up then.. any 4 exotics will have the highest chance- and if you want a certain one you should not mix the weapon types
If you're using 4 Rampager's Pearl Broadswords, you're definitely doing it wrong.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 03:37 PM

View PostMexay, on 09 October 2012 - 03:22 PM, said:

Thus the question mark at the end and the "possible"

Learn to reading comprehension.




It does make sense, though. If you read the sauce on it, you'll see why. "not created equal" thus meaning they aren't equal. Again, I'm just theorizing and that doesn't mean I have to be right. it's entirely possible that I could be WRONG. Jeez, sorry for trying to offer an idea to help the community.



If you're using 4 Rampager's Pearl Broadswords, you're definitely doing it wrong.

Adding a question mark helps nothing. There is NO recipe. There is no question about it, its been answered, its been confirmed. Your title should be changed to "Possible Odds Increase for Dawn and Dusk" seeing as that actually makes sense.

"Learn to reading comprehension."

I dont know if that was deliberate or not but yea... thats all I have to say about your posts.

Id also like to note that you respond the one person that this is a theory and you could be wrong, and then reply to the next person that they are doing it wrong if they aren't using specific exotics... sigh

Edited by Korlic, 09 October 2012 - 03:39 PM.


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Posted 09 October 2012 - 03:40 PM

Um the way I interpreted that was that as long as they're Exotic level 80s, it doesn't matter what else about them is different. The "created equal" part might be referring to stats and looks for general usage.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 04:01 PM

View PostMexay, on 09 October 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:


Lindsey states that "As a quick note, the higher the level and rarity of the things you are throwing into the forge, the better your chances of getting a Legendary Precursor."

She follows this up later by saying: Though not all Exotics are “created equal” they are all of the same rarity: Exotic.


"Though not all Exotics are 'created equal' they all have the same rarity: Exotic"  +  "the higher the level and rarity of..... the better the chances of getting a Legendary Precursor"  =  Putting in level 80 exotic items has a higher chance of yielding a legendary precursor

The "Though not all Exotics are 'created equal'" part is likely implying that some exotics cost more to make or are made in a different way, alluding to the possible conclusion that cheap crafted exotics have the same chance of giving a legendary precursor as exotics obtained by combining items in the mystic forge (i.e. more expensive).

You can twist those statements both ways.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 04:03 PM

What if the named sword you got from the forge recipe is better looking then the Legendary?

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 04:08 PM

View PostKorlic, on 09 October 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

Adding a question mark helps nothing. There is NO recipe. There is no question about it, its been answered, its been confirmed. Your title should be changed to "Possible Odds Increase for Dawn and Dusk" seeing as that actually makes sense.

"Learn to reading comprehension."

I dont know if that was deliberate or not but yea... thats all I have to say about your posts.

Id also like to note that you respond the one person that this is a theory and you could be wrong, and then reply to the next person that they are doing it wrong if they aren't using specific exotics... sigh

No, my title is fine for the thread. Have you tried it? No. So shut up.


Have you tried putting in four of the exact same weapon in? Do you know what you get 90% of the time?

I'll tell you, because I've done it.


THE SAME WEAPON.

If you put in 2 of the same item or more, you have a high chance of getting the same one back. Though, of course, should someone present evidence to the contrary, I will most humbly eat my words.

View Postguardianangelmp, on 09 October 2012 - 04:01 PM, said:

"Though not all Exotics are 'created equal' they all have the same rarity: Exotic"  +  "the higher the level and rarity of..... the better the chances of getting a Legendary Precursor"  =  Putting in level 80 exotic items has a higher chance of yielding a legendary precursor

The "Though not all Exotics are 'created equal'" part is likely implying that some exotics cost more to make or are made in a different way, alluding to the possible conclusion that cheap crafted exotics have the same chance of giving a legendary precursor as exotics obtained by combining items in the mystic forge (i.e. more expensive).

You can twist those statements both ways.

I know, thus why I said it's only a theory, I'm not trying to present this as hard evidence, I'm just attempting to create discussion on it and hopefully find the best weapons that have the highest rate of obtaining dusk or dawn (surely it's not the exact same amount across the board for all exotics)



View PostLinfang, on 09 October 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

What if the named sword you got from the forge recipe is better looking then the Legendary?

Then you're on drugs because the only weapon that comes close to looking as good is CLEARLY the Ghostly Greatsword! :D

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 04:57 PM

View PostMexay, on 09 October 2012 - 04:08 PM, said:

I'm just attempting to create discussion on it and hopefully find the best weapons that have the highest rate of obtaining dusk or dawn (surely it's not the exact same amount across the board for all exotics)


Why wouldn't/couldn't the chance to obtain a legendary precursor from 4 exotics in the mystic forge be the exact same across the board for all exotics?  Why does it have to be more complicated?


Also, here is the full post that you partially quoted:


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Can you define rarity lynsey? Do you mean just any level 80 exotics or do you mean extremely hard to get exotics like named ones? Do crafted weapons constitute as less rare?

Linsey: Though not all Exotics are “created equal” they are all of the same rarity: Exotic

https://forum-en.gui...ecursors/379509


Therefore, what she is saying is that though not all exotics are obtained in the same way, they all yield the same chance at getting a legendary precursor.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 05:01 PM

Yea you're interpreting her post wrong.

She clearly says all exotics have equal rarity, and only level and rarity matter.

The "not equal part" is talking about the value of the exotic, i.e. skins, stats that can only be received from dungeons/karma, and pre-cursors. They all still have the same rarity to roll a pre-cursor though.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 05:20 PM

Thread title is misleading. I disagree with your conclusion given the stated quote as a source. I don't think that's what is meant, nor is that conclusion implied.

I know how to increase the odds of getting Dusk and Dawn from Mystic Forge: Put 4 of them in!

You can all thank me later.

Edited by MisterB, 09 October 2012 - 05:23 PM.


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Posted 09 October 2012 - 05:28 PM

You missed half the quote that makes your whole post pointless and try to make out your not trying to hike up prices....

Please......

Edited by Eon Lilu, 09 October 2012 - 06:04 PM.


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Posted 09 October 2012 - 06:56 PM

I'm gonna ignore the fact that you interpreted the quote horrendously wrong and are adamantly disagreeing with people who say so for a second here.

Why do people continue to believe that they can discover a recipe for the Base weapons? It is completely, entirely, 100% RANDOM. There is no recipe, there hasn't been a recipe, and unless an update happens there never will be one. Stop being delusional and accept it.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 06:56 PM

Yeah, you totally misread it. The post is saying that only rarity matters (ie, exotic vs rare), not the actual value of the item (a pearl broadsword is much cheaper than the Naegling).

Give OP a break, english must not be his first language.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 07:59 PM

Mexay is a dumb moron, bashing at ppl that are right and hes wrong.

Also so what if you tried putting 4 of the same exotics in to forge, the chance of getting a precursor legendary is low so u probably didnt get it coz you are at the bad end of the odds.

Edited by wtfus, 09 October 2012 - 08:02 PM.


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Posted 09 October 2012 - 08:28 PM

people are reaching once again on precursors
i'm not saying you're wrong but you might want to stop overanalyze anything a dev says thinking it's a double entendre or a coded message
linsey just cleared the fact that using 4 80 exotics will have the best chance to produce a precursor, which we already supposed until now

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 08:39 AM

Has anyone actually tried throwing in a set of 4 named exotics yet?

I would recommend trying it before knocking OP. he never said that it would guantee getting a base weapon, he was just suggesting that it would twirls a higher chance at getting it.

If any of you waste "all your gold" after seeing this post, then that is your own fault, since it seems to be created out of speculation

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 09:36 AM

So *ing funny that ANet made a big deal out of how they don't have random drops in dungeons, but have no problem with implementing a random crafting system like this. Together with the fact that they now have increasing spawn times for rarer resources I don't see how anyone can call GW2 low-grind.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 09:45 AM

View Postraspberry jam, on 10 October 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

So *ing funny that ANet made a big deal out of how they don't have random drops in dungeons, but have no problem with implementing a random crafting system like this. Together with the fact that they now have increasing spawn times for rarer resources I don't see how anyone can call GW2 low-grind.

Ah yes, because we all NEED to have Legendary Weapons in order to play the game.
These pre-items are just like the random drops from everywhere. The Legendary (the goal) however is not random.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 10:35 AM

This post makes clear that thowing in 4 lvl 80 exotics makes up for the highest percent chance to get a precursor, regardless which type of exotic you're using... so where is the news?

Edited by tornado64, 10 October 2012 - 10:35 AM.


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Posted 10 October 2012 - 11:37 AM

View PostLordkrall, on 10 October 2012 - 09:45 AM, said:

Ah yes, because we all NEED to have Legendary Weapons in order to play the game.
No, but you need to grind for it because there's nothing else to do.

Edited by raspberry jam, 10 October 2012 - 11:38 AM.


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Posted 10 October 2012 - 11:43 AM

View Postraspberry jam, on 10 October 2012 - 11:37 AM, said:

No, but you need to grind for it because there's nothing else to do.

Hmm?

I have yet to start grinding for them and I have been lvl 80 for 3 weeks.
I still play at least 3 hours per day and have yet to find a situation where there is "nothing to do".

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 11:52 AM

View PostLordkrall, on 10 October 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

Hmm?

I have yet to start grinding for them and I have been lvl 80 for 3 weeks.
I still play at least 3 hours per day and have yet to find a situation where there is "nothing to do".
So what have you been doing?

Replaying jumping puzzles? lol

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 11:54 AM

Exploring the world.
Doing WvW
Doing a dungeon now and the.
Crafting a bit.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 12:12 PM

View PostLordkrall, on 10 October 2012 - 11:54 AM, said:

Exploring the world.
Doing WvW
Doing a dungeon now and the.
Crafting a bit.
"Exploring" in GW2 is boring as all hell, because 95% of what's worth seeing is already marked on the map.
WvW is a *ing joke: completely unbalanced and glitchy beyond all justification.
Doing dungeons and crafting is ultimately only a part of grind for legendary.

So what have you been doing?

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 12:18 PM

View Postraspberry jam, on 10 October 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

"Exploring" in GW2 is boring as all hell, because 95% of what's worth seeing is already marked on the map.
WvW is a *ing joke: completely unbalanced and glitchy beyond all justification.
Doing dungeons and crafting is ultimately only a part of grind for legendary.

So what have you been doing?

I see that you have never actually done any real exploration and simply gone from point to point marked on the map.
Most if not all maps have hidden areas, and most of them have jumping puzzles

Ah yes, because WvW has always been about being balanced.... It is fun, thats all that matters.

Nope. I have no real plans to start on my Legandaries for a long time. And most dungeons I do does not even give the tokens for my targeted Legandary. I do them for the Story, especially the one in Arah is very interesting to a lore-liking person.

Crafting is fun.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 02:40 PM

View PostLordkrall, on 10 October 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

I see that you have never actually done any real exploration and simply gone from point to point marked on the map.
Most if not all maps have hidden areas, and most of them have jumping puzzles

Ah yes, because WvW has always been about being balanced.... It is fun, thats all that matters.

Nope. I have no real plans to start on my Legandaries for a long time. And most dungeons I do does not even give the tokens for my targeted Legandary. I do them for the Story, especially the one in Arah is very interesting to a lore-liking person.

Crafting is fun.
Crafting is not fun, nor is WvW for the very reason that it is unbalanced (meaning that most fights are decided before they even start).

Jumping puzzles?? THATS SO COOL. I have no idea why the GW2 fanbase like them so much. Or rather, I do. I mean, if you ask what GW2 have, you'd think, dynamic events would be a big deal. But they are not. So in order for the fanboys to hang on to something, anything at all, they bring up a dumbed down version of hopscotch.

So you finally answered what you have been doing: the Arah dungeon for lore purposes. Well, for those who stopped giving a shit about the GW lore after they started breaking it even beyond what Blizzard managed with the Warcraft lore, that's not really something to do.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 03:07 PM

View Postraspberry jam, on 10 October 2012 - 02:40 PM, said:

Crafting is not fun, nor is WvW for the very reason that it is unbalanced (meaning that most fights are decided before they even start).

Jumping puzzles?? THATS SO COOL. I have no idea why the GW2 fanbase like them so much. Or rather, I do. I mean, if you ask what GW2 have, you'd think, dynamic events would be a big deal. But they are not. So in order for the fanboys to hang on to something, anything at all, they bring up a dumbed down version of hopscotch.

So you finally answered what you have been doing: the Arah dungeon for lore purposes. Well, for those who stopped giving a shit about the GW lore after they started breaking it even beyond what Blizzard managed with the Warcraft lore, that's not really something to do.

Wait - why are we arguing over what one person finds fun versus another? It's completely relative. If you're bored and don't like the game, then why play it? There's no monthly fee, and plenty of other things to do with your time. However, being a negative Nancy is really uncalled for. The "gloom and doom" attitude of gamers is only eclipsed by their sense of entitlement. Some people enjoy the grind for the legendary. Some people enjoy jumping puzzles. Some people enjoy dungeons. Some people enjoy sPvP. Some people enjoy other games. Stop worrying about what others enjoy and start making yourself happy, IMO.





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