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[Asteria Rose]

So, I just found a post on reddit that I believe everyone should see:

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I believe I can speak for a large number of people from Sanctum of Rall when I say that tonight something happened that I never would have expected.
While playing WvWvW tonight against Yak's Bend and Northern Shiverpeaks, we were greatly upset to discover that someone had hacked their way into our Garrison on the Sanctum of Rall Borderlands and stole our orb. We then watched as the orb flew around the map before finally stopping in Yak's Bend's Ascension Bay to be placed upon their altar.
So far, this story is similar to a lot of the stories that have been popping up as of late, tales of hacking and cheating to get the advantage. This next part is where it gets really interesting though. We were nearly instantly contacted by the leader from FOO, one of the major guilds on Yak's Bend. Turns out that they were as bothered by the cheating as we were, and they wanted to make amends in the best way that they could.
Yak's Bend, under the leadership of FOO, collaborated with the leaders of EPIC from Sanctum of Rall in order to organize the trading of Ascension Bay. We were allowed to seize Ascension Bay entirely unopposed such that we may take back the orb that rightfully belonged to us. In exchange for this kindness, we in turn left Ascension Bay immediately after capturing the point so that the zerg from Yak's Bend could take the keep back. Aside from a few pugs, not a single attack took place from either server while this exchange took place. It was quite possibly one of the most impressive things I've seen since this game came out.
I would like to thank Yak's Bend for suggesting this exchange, and for ensuring that the deeds of the many overcame the negative actions of the few, and taking a risk in letting us seize a stronghold for the purpose of rectifying a mistake.
TL;DR Someone from Yak's Bend hacked the SoR orb from our Garrison, Yak's Bend let us take their keep, seize the orb, and leave without killing a single SoR player in order to make up for the hacker.

To me, this is incredible. To see a community like this that understands their morals and will even give up an orb because they knew it was wrong: Yak's Bend, for the players who were on the team that day,

I salute you.

[TenderFoot]

I found this on offical forums

https://forum-en.gui...irst#post394420
Not the whole server’s fault, anyway. The member of a guild based out of another server stole this orb and placed it in the YB altar.
Here’s the video link someone from a player on one of our opposing servers: Redacted
If you enlarge the video and look at the orbhacker that is targeted, you’ll notice that the guildtag says “Project Mayhem.” Project Mayhem is not a guild based out of YB but out of the Dragonbrand server.
Check their website:  Redacted

Edited by Leyana, 11 October 2012 - 03:39 AM.
Don't post vids of exploits.

[Strawberry Nubcake]

I agree, but I think it's sad that it has come to a point where we (anyone playing legit) would need to do that.  Why can't people just play the game as it was meant to be played instead of cheating?

[Zorian51]

Strawberry Nubcake, on 10 October 2012 - 06:32 PM, said:

I agree, but I think it's sad that it has come to a point where we (anyone playing legit) would need to do that.  Why can't people just play the game as it was meant to be played instead of cheating?

Sadly, if there is a way to do it someone will always cheat. Its happened in every game. Its good to see people try to correct it.

Now if only the forums had the same type of community....

[Corvindi]

Zorian51, on 10 October 2012 - 06:47 PM, said:

Sadly, if there is a way to do it someone will always cheat. Its happened in every game. Its good to see people try to correct it.

Now if only the forums had the same type of community....

I've noticed forums tend to be a lot crankier communities anyway.

I'm really impressed with Yak's Bend for this.

[Cottage Pie]

Seafarers had a guild with a hacker or glitcher on but they kicked him out.  He then jumped to Kodash and hacked all the orbs for them in spite.  This game~

[Shadowrose]

if he opposed he would've been probably banned by ANet's not-so-strict policies.

[Millimidget]

I checked out some reddit GW2 threads the other night; seemed to be mostly comprised of the type of people who gravitate towards thieves here or rogues in WoW (ie douchebags).

I know it's unrelated, but in an attempt to be on-topic, I guess you shouldn't judge an entire book by its cover. Only judge most of the book; how bad can chapter titles really be?

After reading the linked statement, I supposed it can pay to be on one of the less active WvW servers; you won't see stuff like this happen in T1 (or even T2), because no one has control over the playerbase like that.

Edited by Millimidget, 10 October 2012 - 07:00 PM.

[Zero_Soulreaver]

Zorian51, on 10 October 2012 - 06:47 PM, said:

Sadly, if there is a way to do it someone will always cheat. Its happened in every game. Its good to see people try to correct it.

Now if only the forums had the same type of community....

Yea I agree, the forums is just casual and hardcore gamers at war all because they just can't understand one another.

Cheating is just apart of gaming.  People will always try to find an easy way out.

[Mireles]

Yaks bend is where alot of the gw1 players like myself ended up. .... I saw this last night, but i didn't know what was going on O.o, it was very interesting to witness.

We may find alot of things to complain about in this community but hacking, cheating, and botting is something we always could all get on board when trolling.

[Alaroxr]

TenderFoot, on 10 October 2012 - 06:19 PM, said:

I found this on offical forums

https://forum-en.gui...irst#post394420
Not the whole server’s fault, anyway. The member of a guild based out of another server stole this orb and placed it in the YB altar.
Here’s the video link someone from a player on one of our opposing servers: Redacted
If you enlarge the video and look at the orbhacker that is targeted, you’ll notice that the guildtag says “Project Mayhem.” Project Mayhem is not a guild based out of YB but out of the Dragonbrand server.
Check their website:  Redacted

This is not hacking. Hacking would be flying around, jumping over walls, or teleporting. This is just destroying the enemy's altar, which is part of the game.

Edited by Leyana, 11 October 2012 - 03:40 AM.

[Venereus]

Lacking a banhammer, a Yakhammer will do.

[Tregarde]

That is seriously awesome.

FOO has gained a lot of respect from me for being good sports with a lot of integrity.

[TenderFoot]

Alaroxr, on 10 October 2012 - 07:19 PM, said:

This is not hacking. Hacking would be flying around, jumping over walls, or teleporting. This is just destroying the enemy's altar, which is part of the game.

Don't try to explain how things work to me, I just reposted what was on the offical forum that is related to OP, if read my post you would have known that.

Edited by TenderFoot, 10 October 2012 - 08:21 PM.

[joeobowyer]

it was meant to be played instead of cheating

[Shiren]

While I appreciate the sentiment and the desire to play in a WvW environment where cheating is not allowed, I also don't like the idea of organised hand-overs of control points. Niether one leaves a good taste in my mouth. I'm sure it would have been frustrating for the PuGs who took on the attackers of the keep to see their allies not supporting them because of an agreement made between big guilds. It would also suck for someone who's side owned a keep to be told to let the other team take the keep, and be called out in chat by your own team for playing the game by the rules and objectives set. It's not fair to lose an orb because of a hack, but it's not a clean solution to betray your team mates and let them die defending a keep.

It would be like in soccer, where a team uses a hand ball to prevent a match winning goal and then the team captain tells the team to let them have a free goal to make up for it. Only one person on the team did the hand-ball but now the whole team is told to forgo their own player ethics and instincts. This would also been seen as a betrayal by many of the fans (many would support the decision, but many would feel betrayed). Hopefully ArenaNet can fix this hax and prevent this situation from occurring in the future, because once the initial cheat has taken place, neither outcome (keeping the advantage or freely giving up while other honest players are betrayed) is a good one.

[Alaroxr]

TenderFoot, on 10 October 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

Don't try to explain how things work to me, I just reposted what was on the offical forum that is related to OP, if read my post you would have known that.

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TenderFoot, on 10 October 2012 - 06:19 PM, said:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=zC9ypMovDE4
If you enlarge the video and look at the orbhacker that is targeted,

You call him an orb hacker. This guys is not hacking. All it shows is a regular guy inside of a keep, attacking the altar. You call him a hacker, when there is no evidence in the video to support that.

Alaroxr, on 10 October 2012 - 07:19 PM, said:

This is not hacking. Hacking would be flying around, jumping over walls, or teleporting. This is just destroying the enemy's altar, which is part of the game.

My post above was in response to that.

Edited by Alaroxr, 11 October 2012 - 02:24 AM.

[TenderFoot]

Alaroxr, on 11 October 2012 - 02:23 AM, said:

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You call him an orb hacker. This guys is not hacking. All it shows is a regular guy inside of a keep, attacking the altar. You call him a hacker, when there is no evidence in the video to support that.



My post above was in response to that.

Look I copied and pasted what I found on the official forum, I didn't call anyone anything and again if you read my post I said I found this on the official forum, learn to read & reading comprehension or get off the forums.

[GodzIllusion]

Strawberry Nubcake, on 10 October 2012 - 06:32 PM, said:

I agree, but I think it's sad that it has come to a point where we (anyone playing legit) would need to do that.  Why can't people just play the game as it was meant to be played instead of cheating?

lol..What`s really sad is the "newer" playerbase. On the forums of another game I play, a poster asked "where do I find the cheat codes??". When it was explained that there WERE NONE, he went off...calling people names, ect. Unfortunatly, most of the tools we see are a part(PART mind you!!) of the XBox generation sadly.

[esfkotaro]

Good for the guys that had the integrity to do their best to right a wrong.

I don't understand the people that insist on cheating at a game.  Nothing bothers me more, honestly.  My nephew used to pull that kind of thing in CoD on Xbox all the time.  Told him how I felt about it, and told him if I every caught him cheating while playing with me, either at my house or online, with me or against me, there would be consequences.  Caught him trying to use a well known glitch in mw2, while he and I were plying together online.  I disconnected, reported him to Xbox for cheating, told my sister (his mother) who grounded him for a week, and refused to play online with him for 2 months.  

Apparently that didn't teach him his lesson.

After I agreed to play with him again, I had picked him up (45+ min drive) to spend the weekend hanging out (we used to do this once a month or more, but now he has a girlfriend so no time for his uncles), just gaming and catching a couple movies @ the theater.  We got back to my place, and he asked if we could play some CoD:BO  Told him sure, after I made some lunch we could play, and he was free to play or watch tv or whatever while I was doing that.  Came in with lunch made, and there he was, online on my account, exploiting glitches in multiplayer.  Made him turn it off, eat his lunch, then drove him the 45 minutes back home.  My sister made him write me an apology, with which he included $10 of his own money to reply me for the gas for the trips to pick him up/drop him off (he included it himself, he was sincerely sorry and altogether is a really good kid). To this day I haven't caught him trying to exploit any glitches, at least not with me.  

I would agree that it's the Xbox/YouTube generation, because it's typically kids 12-18 pulling this crap, and they all talk about it like its so cool to be able to imitate some BS exploit someone else found and they saw on YouTube.  And I see far, far, far less of it happening on PC/PS3 than I did on Xbox.  Not saying that Xbox itself is the problem, it's just has a much larger, and on average younger, crowd it appeals to, and it's that "everybody's doing it" mentality that starts this stupidity.

[lmaonade]

A majority of the servers cheat sadly, Crystal Desert had an instance of orb hacking recently, a lot of people in the area reported the guy though, so hopefully they get banned (though a fix would probably be more useful)

[Linfang]

People will cheat because they can. It might sound dumb but it is as simple as that.

I bet if Anet charged the $22 US to change servers you see this crap stop pretty quick.

[raspberry jam]

esfkotaro, on 11 October 2012 - 10:04 AM, said:

I don't understand the people that insist on cheating at a game.  Nothing bothers me more, honestly.  My nephew used to pull that kind of thing in CoD on Xbox all the time.  Told him how I felt about it, and told him if I every caught him cheating while playing with me, either at my house or online, with me or against me, there would be consequences.  Caught him trying to use a well known glitch in mw2, while he and I were plying together online.  I disconnected, reported him to Xbox for cheating, told my sister (his mother) who grounded him for a week, and refused to play online with him for 2 months.  

Apparently that didn't teach him his lesson.

After I agreed to play with him again, I had picked him up (45+ min drive) to spend the weekend hanging out (we used to do this once a month or more, but now he has a girlfriend so no time for his uncles), just gaming and catching a couple movies @ the theater.  We got back to my place, and he asked if we could play some CoD:BO  Told him sure, after I made some lunch we could play, and he was free to play or watch tv or whatever while I was doing that.  Came in with lunch made, and there he was, online on my account, exploiting glitches in multiplayer.  Made him turn it off, eat his lunch, then drove him the 45 minutes back home.  My sister made him write me an apology, with which he included $10 of his own money to reply me for the gas for the trips to pick him up/drop him off (he included it himself, he was sincerely sorry and altogether is a really good kid). To this day I haven't caught him trying to exploit any glitches, at least not with me.  

I laughed my ass off, well written

That is, I hope you were joking. If not, you are a horrible person.

[Vexies]

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I laughed my ass off, well written

That is, I hope you were joking. If not, you are a horrible person.

Why because he actually was trying to teach his nephew some morals?  I applaud and its a shame more people dont actually have any conscious anymore. Today its get away with what you can and screw the other guy before he screws you. Oh lets not forget cry about how unfair it is you got banned once you do get caught and punished for it.

I applaud Anet for actually taking a hard stand against this bs and I cheer a little inside each time I see that cheaters have been banned. Its just a shame that more companies let the all mighty dollar rule them rather than enforcing a fair and fun environment for everyone.  The lack of action on these matters in the past by "other" games has only contributed to this decay.

As for the topic at hand, its nice to see that at least some people still understand what fair play is. Hopefully things like this get more of a spot light.

[Red_Eye_Dreams]

So you let them take over part of the map uncontested?  Ruined the night for some unorganized PUG's?  Gave the opposing server the orb?  Sounds like boosting, griefing, w/e and is probably a breach of whatever binding agreement they made us all click before we played.

Confess now and send me $20 each for each member in your guild and you will be spared.....most of you.....

And good move teaching your nephew not to cheat in CoD, I can't stand little kids in CoD, esspecially cheaters.

[esfkotaro]

Not joking, 100% serious.  Cheating is something I have zero tolerance for, he knew that and had been warned numerous times, yet chose to go ahead anyhow.  Which is certainly his right, but he thought there would be no consequences.  He learned differently.  I respect integrity above just about any other virtue/quality in a person, and lose respect for liars/cheaters faster than just about any other failings/vices.  I love my nephew, I enjoy spending time with him.  I want to see him grow into a man I can respect, not some entitled, self centered punk the rest of his generation has become.  And so far, I'm damn proud to be his uncle.  His path hasn't always been straight and narrow, but he always ends up where he needs to be, because at the core he's a good kid who, thanks to his mother and grandparents and uncles, gets disciplined and guided (his dad's a worthless prick, barely in the picture.)

I take the same stance with my 4 and 9 year old nieces when playing cards or board games, and will continue to with my 1 year old niece and -7 day old nephew.  May seem harsh to some people, but ask my nephew (16 y/o in a week) and niece (18 in a bit over a month) and they'll tell you that I'm one of their favorite people in the world, because they know how much I care about them and they can trust me with anything.  And I take great pride in that.