Supportive Warrior Builds [Think tank]warrior support supportive shouts banners team support vigorous shouts inspiring battle standard healing
Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:24 AM
I got the shout heal to exactly 1400 points
Posted 08 November 2012 - 10:48 AM
Green is for major, grey for minor, red for nonexistant (Zeros)
I believe I have all my math right (It's not too complicated really o.o)
It is worth noting that Warriors have some sort of multiplier with Power and Vitality, as I put points into tactics my bonus vitality goes to 105, then 215, then 315. So I'm not sure how exactly it works. Regardless of that, this sheet doesn't take into account the might stacks partially because they flux from 20-25 stacks and also because I was lazy.
The main point is to show off what gear I will be using, the ~60% crit I will have (Translating into "Yes I can keep up might stacks) and that I'm sacrificing only 2 Accessories and gems in order to get exactly 1400 heals (Boy, if that doesn't make math easier!). Not to mention my 20% DR, which is a lot of Effective health, and since heals are better when you have lower Vit and higher toughness, this is nice. I feel like I'm getting a lot more out of my heals even though I am focusing a lot more on damage due to this. I like that my shout's are significant to me as well as my party
Also, Sith, could you do me a favor and put a 260 HP (260 makes each shout heal for 1400, I'm wondering how that stacks up to 900/max HP 2x LC and 2x SIO, and how it stacks up against banners) scale into one of your sheets? Just to see how well the healing stacks up to the other builds (Obviously not as good but considering the dps you gain...)?
(Perhaps you could also throw the build and "Gear sheet" into the main post, since the build was your idea mostly you can take a lot of the credit, but I would like some for the hours upon hours I spent testing different stats and how effective they were with the build, as well as runes, sigils, and then all the time I spent determining maximum functionality as a boon/dps/support build Not to mention going out of my way to make the spread sheet for others to visually see the optimal gear choices AND also for my awesome title xD)
You should have seen the spread sheet BEFORE it was on Google docs xD it was literally a bunch of scribbles in MS paint. The scrawlings of a madman as I googled around for the stats on the exotic gear and gems etc and calculated them etc.
Edited by Brand, 08 November 2012 - 11:35 AM.
Posted 08 November 2012 - 12:30 PM
1400 = 1192 + 0.8*260
17*1400 = 23800
23800/100 = 238 Health/s
Banners: 130+0.125*260 = 162.5 Health/s, = 16250 total
Shouts/Banners = 23800/16250 = 1.46 (Shouts heals 46% more)
Healing at HP 900:
Shouts = 32504
Banners = 24488
Healing at HP "max"
Shouts = 43000
Banners = 34235
23800/43000 = 0.55, your HP = 260, max = 1672, 260/1672 = 0.16
So you heal Half of what you would at 1672, for only 16% of the Healing Power at max.
Posted 08 November 2012 - 12:38 PM
Posted 08 November 2012 - 01:08 PM
First of all, that sounds freaking epic, am I reading that right? So for 84% less HP than max, I am only healing 50% less?
Secondly, thank you for the first part but the second part (Though enlightening) is not what I was asking for.
I wanted to compare my 3x LC shouts with 260 HP to a 2x LC build with 900/max HP and a 2x "SIO" build with 900/max HP
Basically I want to know if my 3x shouts with LC at 260 HP is better or worse (And by how much) than all 4 of those things in red there.
And a full length description of the build can be found near the bottom of page 3 of this thread.
It will also apparently be added to the main text of the page (The original post) sometime later today
Edited by Brand, 08 November 2012 - 01:19 PM.
Posted 08 November 2012 - 01:16 PM
As for 2x LC with 900 and Max, the healing over 100 respectively is 22944 and 30355, so your 23800 compares:
23800/22944 = ~1.04, 23800/30355 = ~0.78
SIO values would be slightly more, but realistically a lot less.
Posted 08 November 2012 - 01:25 PM
So what is your opinion or "Rating" of the overall build Sith? Haven't heard much from you regarding your thoughts on it's actual quality, usefulness, etc.
Would be great to hear some questions/concerns, and any critiques or praises
Posted 08 November 2012 - 09:22 PM
Good build Brand, naturally i'm reluctant to offer too much praise since you squeezed thousands of words worth of ideas from me, it was basically mine anyway I do appreciate the testing though, haven't had much time to get on this week.
Posted 09 November 2012 - 12:41 AM
So feel free to take every ounce of credit for that build, as I had no part in it's creation at all.
Edited by Brand, 09 November 2012 - 12:44 AM.
Posted 09 November 2012 - 09:14 AM
I did not say it was, nor did I ever say that I would add your build to the OP. The OP is just a baseline anyway, I'm trying to get people to post their own as a way to generate discussion between Warriors, and i'm pleased that you have done that by sharing your own build. The reality of this is that if I had actually written that post days ago (like I said I would), you wouldn't be attacking it so harshly, because at that point you would not have already tested some of the things out.
Will link your build in the OP.
Posted 09 November 2012 - 09:23 AM
Posted 09 November 2012 - 09:30 AM
Edited by Brand, 09 November 2012 - 09:41 AM.
Posted 09 November 2012 - 09:41 AM
Regardless, if you look really closely between the bundles of forum code at the end of the post I linked your build
Posted 09 November 2012 - 09:49 AM
I sent you the text in a PM so you can just copy it from there, edit your post, delete all that whosawhat and paste the thing I sent you.
And I did see that ^^
Posted 09 November 2012 - 10:03 AM
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:13 PM
Posted 19 November 2012 - 02:05 PM
It is a high damage VS build. You get great damage, great survivability, and good heals/support. It uses a Greatsword and is similar to the Vigorous Greatsword #4 build you find here.
Edited by Brand, 19 November 2012 - 02:08 PM.
Posted 19 November 2012 - 02:14 PM
Posted 19 November 2012 - 02:29 PM
There are not many support builds with good damage, Sonic Boon is one, there are a few others incorporating the Longbow and blast combo Might. Sonic Boon is the best overall build, in that the Longbow one and others are fairly situational and dependant on factors such as team composition, the type of fight, etc. With Sonic Boon you will never be wasting parts of your build, or parts of builds from other players in your group.
The reason there aren't many is because they simply aren't worth it a majority of the time. The damage you would gain by going say Mace/shield with Knight's gear (But keeping all the traits the same) will not be worth the healing/support you lose, especially when running Soldier's runes. Cleric's gear and defensive traits will give you the most bang for your buck in a Mace/shield VS build.
The same can be said (And has been said) is regards to taking a build like Sonic Boon and upping it's support/defense. Most often the question is "Can I use soldier's runes?" The answer is yes, but it simply won't be as effective since the armor, build, weapon, and etc are based around damage, not supporting the team. Not to mention there are others doing it better than you in the group such as a guardian, and any condition removal you have could actually be hurting their build. (For you, concerning mace/shield and upping its damage, this could be something like a bleed warrior on your team, if you put points into arms with a mace/shield, you're going to be adding some worthless low damage bleeds to the enemy, where there could have been strong bleeds, or etc.)
Overall the best choice is to stick with one side of the spectrum, and run with group mates who don't conflict with your build. If you want to use Mace/shield and you want to support, you should go full support/control (As Sithicus' VS build does) and let others make up for your lost damage. You can provide a lot to the group in other ways, such as healing, taking hits, controlling enemies, and removing conditions.
Edited by Brand, 19 November 2012 - 02:35 PM.
Posted 19 November 2012 - 02:34 PM
PS: Sorry for my poor english, i'm not native english speaker.
Posted 19 November 2012 - 02:40 PM
PS: Sorry for my poor english, i'm not native english speaker.
Edited by Brand, 19 November 2012 - 02:41 PM.
Posted 19 November 2012 - 02:47 PM
Posted 19 November 2012 - 03:21 PM
Edited by Ciclosano, 19 November 2012 - 03:21 PM.
Posted 19 November 2012 - 05:45 PM
No problem, good luck with your endeavors! ^^
Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:34 PM
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