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#1 Theworldasd

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 02:53 AM

I've only learnt recently that ogden is actually still around, despite apparently eventually underoing the rite of the great dwarf (after constantly dying in my hero groups in gw1, heh). Where does one actually get to interact with him? I did the piory story on one of my human characters, but I did not encounter him. I went to his "home" in, I think dreadnaught haunts, but I don't recall seeing him. Do you have to be norn/asura to get him in your personal story?

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 02:58 AM

he's in the last dungeon in Arah (to which all stories converge anyway, so all characters get to see Ogden)

and he's still around because he underwent the rite of the great dwarf, instead of despite it, all the dwarves seen/known in the game are "immortal" and will likely never die unless disturbed/destroyed.

Edited by lmaonade, 15 October 2012 - 02:58 AM.


#3 Theworldasd

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 03:03 AM

Weird, I did arah story recently and didn't see him. Is he only in explorable?

Granted the problem I have with doing dungeons (especially story critical ones) is that I often can't explore it and talk to all the NPCs because there are 4 other people in the group that generally want to get it done asap, so I might have missed him.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 03:45 AM

He's in explorable Arah. You also get to see him as part of the norn storyline, when you're deciding what order to pick.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 04:24 AM

Ah I see, thank you. I wished anet didn't write off dwarves like they did, but at least ogden is still around, heh. Even if he was a terrible healer monk. Pretty good smiter though.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 04:29 AM

View PostTheworldasd, on 15 October 2012 - 04:24 AM, said:

Ah I see, thank you. I wished anet didn't write off dwarves like they did, but at least ogden is still around, heh. Even if he was a terrible healer monk. Pretty good smiter though.

They didn't actually write them out, they're still in the depths fighting Primordus and his minions. As such I'm assuming we'll get to meet up with them sometime when the story heads that way :P

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 08:24 PM

I think ANet sort of removed the dwarves because they felt they weren't original to the game. Almost all other beings, except for  humans of course, are near unique to the guild wars world. ANet see this originality as important and decided to decrease the dwarves role in the game.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 06:32 AM

After rooting around and trying to find him outside of Arah story, I figured I'd update this thread with his location. Downstairs in the Durmand Priory (you have to be a priory member), in Gixx's office. I'll let you figure out how to get there. But he's there. Not much dialogue though...which is disappointing.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 06:56 PM

View PostAKGeo, on 25 November 2012 - 06:32 AM, said:

After rooting around and trying to find him outside of Arah story, I figured I'd update this thread with his location. Downstairs in the Durmand Priory (you have to be a priory member), in Gixx's office. I'll let you figure out how to get there. But he's there. Not much dialogue though...which is disappointing.

Amusingly, he keeps telling you to get out and kill dragons, even after you've completed the entire campaign - there's apparently no flag that changes the dialogue. I'd kill more dragons if I could!

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 02:52 AM

View PostFalfyrel, on 25 November 2012 - 06:56 PM, said:

Amusingly, he keeps telling you to get out and kill dragons, even after you've completed the entire campaign - there's apparently no flag that changes the dialogue. I'd kill more dragons if I could!
It actually makes sense that he would say that. Zhaitan isn't the only ED out there. Within the story, there are still dragons to be fought. Within the story, NPCs/characters are not waiting for a new expansion.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:47 AM

View PostMockingjay74, on 26 November 2012 - 02:52 AM, said:

It actually makes sense that he would say that. Zhaitan isn't the only ED out there. Within the story, there are still dragons to be fought. Within the story, NPCs/characters are not waiting for a new expansion.

If you deal with continuity, the expansions go along with an introduction of a new threat....and in GW2's case this will be a new dragon to fight.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:29 AM

For those who've played GW1 and seen Ogden in GW2, was there any distinct similarities in his personality or mannerisms? I know in GW1, they mentioned how undergoing the rite would change the dwarf's personality and such - not to mention how spending several hundred years as an unaging golem with a dwindling race would affect one's outlook on life - but I was curious as to how thoroughly he seemed to have changed.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 10:18 AM

His language in the short dialogue made him seem like he wasn't as old as he's supposed to be...but since he's adamant about you going out and killing dragons, that might have something to do with his transformation. Since he was so talkative in EOTN, I can't imagine him not having a couple dialogue choices as a little more of an easter egg for GW1 players. Considering the relative effort it takes to find him, and all of the little clues scattered around the game of his existence.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:30 PM

View PostAKGeo, on 26 November 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

If you deal with continuity, the expansions go along with an introduction of a new threat....and in GW2's case this will be a new dragon to fight.
Not necessarily. They may want to create a new threat and so may leave the dragons for later - if ever all of them (after all, only Kralkatorrik and Jormag are of real bother for the main races at the moment).

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 06:29 PM

View PostAKGeo, on 26 November 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

If you deal with continuity, the expansions go along with an introduction of a new threat....and in GW2's case this will be a new dragon to fight.
As Konig said, other dragons are already on the radar, albeit slightly distanced, but they are there. Continuity-wise, it would be odd for Ogden to not recognize that there are already more dragons to fight for the reasons Konig mentioned.

View PostKonig Des Todes, on 26 November 2012 - 04:30 PM, said:

Not necessarily. They may want to create a new threat and so may leave the dragons for later - if ever all of them (after all, only Kralkatorrik and Jormag are of real bother for the main races at the moment).
Not to mention Primordus, who's been relatively quiet but there is still some knowledge that he is awake and lurking, right? He isn't really enjoying the spotlight like Kralkatorrik and Jormag, but I'd be surprised if the Durmand Priory/Order of Whispers and probably even the Vigil aren't/weren't still keeping him within notice.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 07:21 PM

But without them being a direct, visible threat (right now it's just his lieutenants), I can't imagine him referring specifically TO  them.

If anything he's referring to the Shatterer, Claw of Jormag and Tequatl the Sunless as the dragons we should be out killing.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 12:11 AM

Jormag is a fairly noticeable-ish threat, and probably the most out of him, Kralkatorrik and Primordus. Kralkatorrik and Jormag are extremely visible if you spend just moments in either of the areas they directly affect. Icebrood and the Sons of Svanir are annoying and causing a lot of trouble just like Branded are. I would say that they are a threat, although you are right in the sense that it isn't necessarily a direct threat.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 02:21 AM

View PostMockingjay74, on 26 November 2012 - 06:29 PM, said:

Not to mention Primordus, who's been relatively quiet but there is still some knowledge that he is awake and lurking, right? He isn't really enjoying the spotlight like Kralkatorrik and Jormag, but I'd be surprised if the Durmand Priory/Order of Whispers and probably even the Vigil aren't/weren't still keeping him within notice.
Bolded was my point.

Jormag and Kralkatorrik are immediate threats and as such are likely to be taken out quickly gameplay wise, however Primordus, the DSD, and unknown sixth ED are fairly inactive irregardless of being awake and all three are known by the Pact. So it stands to reason that ArenaNet can very easily have us go after Jormag and/or Kralkatorrik (and tbh, even Kralkatorrik has been laying low as of late), and then send us off on other threats.

As shown by The Lost Shores, they won't go dragon to dragon for the big threats of content patches, even before the Elder Dragons are killed.

I'm not saying the Pact would ignore them, I'm saying the players - us - will be sent elsewhere by Anet's whims before killing off all Elder Dragons.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 03:40 AM

ogden lives at the Durmand Priory in the Shiverpeaks right?  his little hut thing is located just below the main structure of the priory.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 05:28 PM

What i don't understand about ogden is why he didn't lose his mind like most of them did(or as he says changed in Mind and Body), unless because he went through it a lot later then most he was able to prepare his mind to handle it. Anyone got any ideas?

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 02:11 PM

Is there a way for the great dwarves from "unstoning" themselves? The Great Dwarf concept in guild wars 1 came from previous knowledge of fighting the Great Destroyer (a champion of ED) so we can assume that the dwarves back then turned into Great Dwarves (the stone form) but in early guild wars, dwarves were in flesh form. So how did they go from stone form to flesh form? Is there a way to reverse the process? If so, we might see dwarves in the future.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 05:01 PM

Maybe there was once, but was forgotten by the time of EotN. Even if there was a way to turn them back to flesh, I am not sure if there is enough of them left to repopulate.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:41 PM

View PostRed J, on 30 November 2012 - 05:01 PM, said:

Maybe there was once, but was forgotten by the time of EotN. Even if there was a way to turn them back to flesh, I am not sure if there is enough of them left to repopulate.

this.  the time of dwarves have past.  it sucks.  i understand ANet wanting to be different as far as races go in their game but when youve got the rather uninspired Norn (they are essential large humans, which could have easily been accomodated through the character creation screen) in the game but not such an iconic race that made such a noble sacrifice. . . its kind of a bummer for those that wanted the option.




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