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#1 ArlanKels

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 10:16 PM

This is for PvP, and only PvP.
Hence posting it in the PvP section of the forums.


Crazy logic..so crazy..


What class do you feel that you see the least of in PvP?
What class tends to make you chuckle and shake your head at how horrible it is?

What do you want to be when you grow up?

#2 Katsuragisama

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 10:59 PM

What class do you feel that you see the least of in PvP?
I want to say engineer, maybe?

What class tends to make you chuckle and shake your head at how horrible it is?
I'm not going to say balance is perfect, but I do feel it's pretty good.  I've seen great Elementalist that can 1vs2, maybe 1vs3, and still win.  Most just dont know how to play.  Why Learn2Play when it's easier just to cry on forums in hopes of getting the other class nerfed?  If some people would admit to themselves that they're not the best, or (for some) even decent, their ego would implode.

Edited by Katsuragisama, 16 October 2012 - 11:02 PM.


#3 Skyro

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:15 PM

I've never really kept track, but it feels like I see rangers the least in tPvP. Hot join I don't know I don't really play it much other than to just mess around with new builds.

I don't feel there's any class that is so UP that I would "chuckle" at. Certain builds maybe, but not a whole class. Every class has at least 1 competitive spec in tPvP IMO.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:38 PM

Necros still seem to be the least popular

Only 2 classes are really so bad I would laugh as they flail around helplessly: Rangers and a poorly played elementalist.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 12:49 AM

Rangers are by far the most common in WvW and PvE. Necros are probably the least common and considered to be "bad"

#6 Xiomaro

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 01:07 AM

In tournaments: Ranger for sure

Even in their most viable build (condition) they're sub par. As such you don't see many. You see very few (if any) good teams running with a Ranger.

As others have said, due to its difficulty... a poorly played Elementalist is laughable too. A well played one is great however.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 01:43 AM

Purely by what I perceive while noobing it up in sPvP, I'd say Engi and Ele are tied for least popular.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 07:37 AM

View PostKatsuragisama, on 16 October 2012 - 10:59 PM, said:

What class do you feel that you see the least of in PvP?
I want to say engineer, maybe?

What class tends to make you chuckle and shake your head at how horrible it is?
I'm not going to say balance is perfect, but I do feel it's pretty good.  I've seen great Elementalist that can 1vs2, maybe 1vs3, and still win.  

Yeah, if three bad people try to kill me as a staff support while dying to my fire elementals along with my AoEs that's clearly proof that I'm great at ele.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 08:31 AM

View PostKatsuragisama, on 16 October 2012 - 10:59 PM, said:

What class do you feel that you see the least of in PvP?
I want to say engineer, maybe?

What class tends to make you chuckle and shake your head at how horrible it is?
I'm not going to say balance is perfect, but I do feel it's pretty good.  I've seen great Elementalist that can 1vs2, maybe 1vs3, and still win.  Most just dont know how to play.  Why Learn2Play when it's easier just to cry on forums in hopes of getting the other class nerfed?  If some people would admit to themselves that they're not the best, or (for some) even decent, their ego would implode.

It's easy to 1v2 as a good player against noobs. You will never win 1v2 as an ele against 2 good players. You won't even win a 1v1 against some classes when played by good players (hello mesmer!).

OT:
Worst: ele
least played: probably engineer, though they are actually pretty good.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 08:50 AM

View PostAetherMcLoud, on 17 October 2012 - 08:31 AM, said:

It's easy to 1v2 as a good player against noobs. You will never win 1v2 as an ele against 2 good players. You won't even win a 1v1 against some classes when played by good players (hello mesmer!).

OT:
Worst: ele
least played: probably engineer, though they are actually pretty good.

No one will ever win a 1v2 against good players, it is not limited to eles alone.

View PostScarlet_Blossom, on 17 October 2012 - 07:37 AM, said:

Yeah, if three bad people try to kill me as a staff support while dying to my fire elementals along with my AoEs that's clearly proof that I'm great at ele.

Errr.... yes?

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 08:56 AM

What class do I see the least of in PvP?
...Not sure to be honest....I've seen a lot of everything.

What class do I laugh at? Rangers.

#12 Ruufio

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 02:49 AM

I actually don't think I've ever even lost to a Ranger lol (until recently that I remember). What do they do? They attak with shortbow. What do they do when you're in their face meleeing them? They still use shortbow. What does 100% of rangers use all day everyday in pvp? Shortbow lol. Ahhh! omg a ranger is attacking me!! Kill it!! It's the only class that seems to pose zero threat lol.

I had a fight with the first sword ranger I've fought in 500 games and I lost because I had no idea how to fight it lol.

Edited by Ruufio, 18 October 2012 - 02:50 AM.


#13 Garethh

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 03:34 AM

View PostDrekor, on 16 October 2012 - 11:38 PM, said:

Only 2 classes are really so bad I would laugh as they flail around helplessly: Rangers and a poorly played elementalist.
Obviously you haven't seen a well played condi one.
But to be fair I haven't either, well, short of my own toon.
The class is completely neglected so its not surprising, the vast majority of specs are just bad.


View PostRuufio, on 18 October 2012 - 02:49 AM, said:

I actually don't think I've ever even lost to a Ranger lol (until recently that I remember). What do they do? They attak with shortbow. What do they do when you're in their face meleeing them? They still use shortbow. What does 100% of rangers use all day everyday in pvp? Shortbow lol. Ahhh! omg a ranger is attacking me!! Kill it!! It's the only class that seems to pose zero threat lol.
I know right?
I even say I'm fantastic verse rangers just because the vast majority are rubish shortbow or one handed sword spams.
Man I rarely ever lose 1v1s ;)
And yeah, I play a ranger.

Edited by Garethh, 18 October 2012 - 03:37 AM.


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Posted 18 October 2012 - 03:46 AM

Rangers are definitely the worst, though I don't know if the people that play them are just bad or if the class itself is terrible. I don't even know how that class works really. I know there's bleeds or something involved but they usually just try pew pewing with their bows while sitting in my feedback bubble or my blurred frenzy, the result is usually a very dead ranger.

Edited by Mr_Original, 18 October 2012 - 03:47 AM.


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Posted 18 October 2012 - 10:15 AM

View PostMr_Original, on 18 October 2012 - 03:46 AM, said:

Rangers are definitely the worst, though I don't know if the people that play them are just bad or if the class itself is terrible. I don't even know how that class works really. I know there's bleeds or something involved but they usually just try pew pewing with their bows while sitting in my feedback bubble or my blurred frenzy, the result is usually a very dead ranger.

The class is just bad. They nerfed 1/4th of our utility skills into the ground without buffing anything else worthwhile and then we have others that were just garbage to begin with; don't forget to Lol @ relying on pet AI for anything. Our 1h sword STILL roots us in place while we attack unless we blow all of it's CD's. SB, Axe and LB are our only decent weapons now and LB damage is pretty sad--it's more of a defensive weapon than anything and Axe auto can do decent damage but the 2 skill is useless without a condi build. I could go on, but the bottom line, Rangers are gimped down to Ele level--If you don't know how to play one, or at least your build, correctly you're going to lose to everything no matter what build they run.

On top of this, I might add, we suffer the same woes as other professions with vast amounts of useless traits in our trait trees.

My Ranger hasn't lost to another Ranger 1v1 in a loooong time, but I have lost to other professions quite easily on numerous occasions.

Edited by Chesire, 18 October 2012 - 10:16 AM.


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Posted 18 October 2012 - 12:33 PM

Rangers are only bad in 1v1, put them on highground on any map or just together with a CCer or someone that can stand on point instead of him and Ranger is really good.
Necros are very situational aswell and prolly the least seen by me.
Warriors have nothing unique about them (they can either play burst -> thiefs version is better, cc -> engi better, Tank -> guardian better). So in my opinion warriors are a bit gimmicky for 5v5 organised play.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 01:20 PM

View PostGarethh, on 18 October 2012 - 03:34 AM, said:

Obviously you haven't seen a well played condi one.
But to be fair I haven't either, well, short of my own toon.
The class is completely neglected so its not surprising, the vast majority of specs are just bad.

For me there's no such thing as a well played condi Ranger. Just a trap spammer taking advantage of my position on top of the point.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 01:57 PM

I always felt necro was the least seen in PvP. Nothing to add to ranger being worst atm.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 02:25 PM

View PostXiomaro, on 17 October 2012 - 01:07 AM, said:

In tournaments: Ranger for sure

Even in their most viable build (condition) they're sub par. As such you don't see many. You see very few (if any) good teams running with a Ranger.

As others have said, due to its difficulty... a poorly played Elementalist is laughable too. A well played one is great however.

And by well-played you should mean tanky-built.

DPS Ele is bad, through and through. Tanky Ele is immortal.

The worst is Necro, then goes DPS Ele, then Warrior in any spec. I really don't think Ranger is worse than a Warrior, they're much more tanky and have good group utility, unlike Warriors.

Edited by Shinimas, 18 October 2012 - 02:26 PM.


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Posted 18 October 2012 - 03:42 PM

View PostShinimas, on 18 October 2012 - 02:25 PM, said:

I really don't think Ranger is worse than a Warrior, they're much more tanky and have good group utility, unlike Warriors.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 03:50 PM

Thief so bad. Necros are rare.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 04:00 PM

View PostShinimas, on 18 October 2012 - 02:25 PM, said:

And by well-played you should mean tanky-built.
By no stretch of the word.

View PostDirame, on 18 October 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

For me there's no such thing as a well played condi Ranger. Just a trap spammer taking advantage of my position on top of the point.
And yeah traps are a nice addon to specs, far too many people just don't know how to spec/play the class so its all they really manage to do with their time...

View PostMr_Original, on 18 October 2012 - 03:46 AM, said:

Rangers are definitely the worst, though I don't know if the people that play them are just bad or if the class itself is terrible. I don't even know how that class works really. I know there's bleeds or something involved but they usually just try pew pewing with their bows while sitting in my feedback bubble or my blurred frenzy, the result is usually a very dead ranger.
About half the class in any respects just isn't viable (traits/utilities/weapons), it leads to ALLOT of people playing TERRIBLE specs because its the play style they enjoy.

Oh and, yeah then you fight a bunch of idiots.
Good rangers can use the shortbow leap back, dagger's stab or sword's serpent strike while immobilized to evade the full blurred frenzy/shatter deal.
Every time.
(since they are on relatively the same recharges)

Edited by Garethh, 18 October 2012 - 04:04 PM.


#23 Xiomaro

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 05:17 PM

View PostShinimas, on 18 October 2012 - 02:25 PM, said:

And by well-played you should mean tanky-built.

DPS Ele is bad, through and through. Tanky Ele is immortal.

The worst is Necro, then goes DPS Ele, then Warrior in any spec. I really don't think Ranger is worse than a Warrior, they're much more tanky and have good group utility, unlike Warriors.

Not entirely true about the tanky Elementalist. This build can do some pretty decent damage: http://en.gw2skills....UjoGbNuak1MsYSA

Again, it requires you to play very well. I can't play it particularly well but the Elementalist in my team just slaughters everything with it. It's all about combo-ing stuff properly and stacking might etc.

I can't help but think a lot of people (maybe not you in particular) are basing their opinions on hot join or WvW. In tournaments however, Necromancer and Elementalist are absolutely fine. Ranger is definitely the class I laugh at most in tournaments.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 05:20 PM

View PostGarethh, on 18 October 2012 - 03:34 AM, said:

Obviously you haven't seen a well played condi one.
But to be fair I haven't either, well, short of my own toon.
The class is completely neglected so its not surprising, the vast majority of specs are just bad.
I primarily play a necro so a condition ranger trying to fight me is like throwing gasoline on a fire. It's fun turning your back to a SB ranger while he has quickness then turning back and throwing 25 stacks of bleed on him, hitting epidemic and laugh hysterically when his entire team goes down.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 05:27 PM

View PostDrekor, on 18 October 2012 - 05:20 PM, said:

I primarily play a necro so a condition ranger trying to fight me is like throwing gasoline on a fire. It's fun turning your back to a SB ranger while he has quickness then turning back and throwing 25 stacks of bleed on him, hitting epidemic and laugh hysterically when his entire team goes down.
Whith that signet up, yeah you don't stack condi's outrageously high on a necro without a cleanse up.
But yeah good condi necros are pretty tough to fight.
I usually have to time my heal skill well or lose (since it pulses an aoe cleanse every 3~s)

Edited by Garethh, 18 October 2012 - 05:47 PM.


#26 Anubbyss

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 05:37 PM

I can't comment on the Rangers to much as I haven't actually tried one out myself, nor faced many, but its funny how Necros and Engineers are mentioned so much in here cause those are actually the 2 I've had the most fun with in sPVP at least lol.

Maybe not as much damage as a lot of other classes, on necro at least, but I've had tons of fun with a well/staff mastery bunker type build on my necro. I may not kill as much on my own but I can usually hold a point against 2 or 3 enemy players plenty long enough for other teammates to reinforce me.

As for the Engineer I haven't done a lot with it yet but I ran a build also kind of focused on point control focusing on using the bomb kit and a few elixirs. The survivability isnt as good as the necros but still pretty decent and the damage is a good bit higher. Also done well holding points with this build and even shredded some opponents 1v1.

WvW of course is much different and I haven't done any of it on the Engineer and not much at all on the Necro so I can't really comment on that at all.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 05:51 PM

View PostGarethh, on 18 October 2012 - 05:27 PM, said:

Whith that signet up, yeah you don't stack condi's outrageously high on a necro without a cleanse up.
But yeah good condi necros are pretty tough to fight.
I usually have to time my heal skill well or lose (since it pulses an aoe cleanse every 3~s)
Signet... or deathly swarm or putrid mark... any of them will shove the conditions back on folks :)

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 07:28 PM

View PostDrekor, on 18 October 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

Signet... or deathly swarm or putrid mark... any of them will shove the conditions back on folks :)
You have to be standing pretty much on the necro for the conditions to transfer from the mark?
Deathly swarm is bugged to not really cleanse.  To boot its really easy to dodge.
It could just be that I haven't seen a necro use them well though.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 09:15 PM

View PostGarethh, on 18 October 2012 - 07:28 PM, said:

You have to be standing pretty much on the necro for the conditions to transfer from the mark?
Deathly swarm is bugged to not really cleanse.  To boot its really easy to dodge.
It could just be that I haven't seen a necro use them well though.
Putrid will transfer your conditions even out to 1200.

Deathly swarm isn't bugged at all, just a bad tooltip. It transfer one condition per bounce(up to a max of 3 bounces). Easy against a ranger since you can bounce off ranger+his pet and if need be epidemic off his pet.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 04:11 AM

As a hardcore necro fan I can understand why we are so rare.

Thinking about it, with so many unsatifactory abilities, many that repeat animations and/or sounds, it blurs combat into a grindy mesh of bleh. Powermancers are exceptionally rare because of how unsupported it is trait wise and how awful axe damage is, some make dagger work but it leaves so much to be desired.

Being a necro is just a burden of love for those left pvping, some of us just love the class to no end even if the combat is a blurry mesh of meh and bleh. Honestly we need weapon skills that actually do something in terms of combat involvement.




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