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[Eisboleas]

I would love to know your views about my Necromancer build.Firstly I want you to give me opinions at which is the best build and i would be greatfull if you could give me a new and better way of playing Necromancer.

1st Build: http://gw2skills.net...GJMrCGHcKYXwrAA

2nd Build: http://gw2skills.net...XrAGFcKYXwrgZBA


Waiting for your answers.

Thanks You !!!

Edited by Eisboleas, 19 October 2012 - 05:08 PM.

[Yerzu11]

Please update the links, this are not builds. No traits, no weapons to switch. no runes, sigils, and jewels... wtf???

[LanaDarkess]

From a lot of what I've heard, necro isn't very good for PvP in general.

That being said, you will still be able to switch weapons in PvP, so you would be able to use both builds you have posted there, maybe choose another offhand for the scepter or dagger?

I run with http://en.gw2skills....oYjQaV6ZaGbMcA. I'm still working on jewels and runes, but I'm focusing on items with +condition damage

I would think that it'd be best to run with ranged weapons with PvP, as there should be other melee classes that are able to take more hits than us squishies.

Edited by LanaDarkess, 18 October 2012 - 11:48 AM.

[Draecor]

I would play my build, but take wells are ground targetable to be able to place wells on doors (blinds) and keep staff for spamming abilities + epidemic

[Aodan]

Draecor, on 18 October 2012 - 09:19 PM, said:

I would play my build, but take wells are ground targetable to be able to place wells on doors (blinds) and keep staff for spamming abilities + epidemic

I have to Agree swap Corrupt Boon for Epidemic, Take two Wells and Wells are GTAOE, gg.

[Arcath]

Intresting Hybrid build there.. I have myself 1 set for Condition and 1 for Power and at the moment I prefer my Power Build both in sPvP and WvW. Wells have better affect as Power Increase.

Also want to add Necro is a good PvP Class its all about the skill of the player and if u know your class, from day 1 I have played Necro and some Guardian. I tend to roam solo aswell in the South Ruins of the Borderlands Maps and have great fun.

Only issue-class for me atm is Mesmer but then again a good Mesmer should never loose a 1v1.

Will check your build tho, however more for Dagger/Warhorn myself (but get the bleed Hybrid)

[Brayzz]

Im currently testing the Staff power build for WvW and it works very well. Lich hits very hard.

http://gw2skills.net...D6x71lzoe4u1xOA


edit : +6k crits with DS is possible. I have only 3200 Power and 71% crit dmg, but you can have +3500 Power and ~110% crit dmg.

Edited by Brayzz, 19 October 2012 - 04:03 PM.

[Eisboleas]

Draecor, on 18 October 2012 - 09:19 PM, said:

I would play my build, but take wells are ground targetable to be able to place wells on doors (blinds) and keep staff for spamming abilities + epidemic

Actually i prefer them not targetable in ground cuz as a dagger necro those 2 seconds are rl hard to take them in WvW even in PvP so you jut wait till you find a good opening snare and strike with the wells

Brayzz, on 19 October 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:

Im currently testing the Staff power build for WvW and it works very well. Lich hits very hard.

http://gw2skills.net...D6x71lzoe4u1xOA


edit : +6k crits with DS is possible. I have only 3200 Power and 71% crit dmg, but you can have +3500 Power and ~110% crit dmg.

I prefer dagger type necro as long as in PvP he has snare and crazy amounts of damage. Whats more in WvW you can wait for an opening and hit with your wells.

Aodan, on 19 October 2012 - 04:10 AM, said:

I have to Agree swap Corrupt Boon for Epidemic, Take two Wells and Wells are GTAOE, gg.

As i said when you play dagger type necro you cant waste those 2 seconds they are rl importand for you so its better to wait for an opening and strike with wells without targeting the ground.

Edited by Eisboleas, 19 October 2012 - 05:16 PM.

[Aodan]

Eisboleas, on 19 October 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

Actually i prefer them not targetable in ground cuz as a dagger necro those 2 seconds are rl hard to take them in WvW even in PvP so you jut wait till you find a good opening snare and strike with the wells

I prefer dagger type necro as long as in PvP he has snare and crazy amounts of damage. Whats more in WvW you can wait for an opening and hit with your wells.

As i said when you play dagger type necro you cant waste those 2 seconds they are rl importand for you so its better to wait for an opening and strike with wells without targeting the ground.

Dagger main hand, melee in general is not ideal at all in WvW esp considering necros have great condi/gtaoe capabilities

Playing a dagger mh. necro in WvW is pointless

[Eisboleas]

Aodan, on 19 October 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

Dagger main hand, melee in general is not ideal at all in WvW esp considering necros have great condi/gtaoe capabilities

Playing a dagger mh. necro in WvW is pointless

I dun rl think so anyway its however each necro playing and how skilled he is.

[Aodan]

Eisboleas, on 19 October 2012 - 05:46 PM, said:

I dun rl think so anyway its however each necro playing and how skilled he is.

Really getting sick of these kinds of posts.

A skilled player behind a horrible build is still a skilled player behind a horrible build.
A skilled player behind a strong builds is still a skilled player behind a strong build.

Skill of the player is also defined by his reasoning, if a player is choosing to use a horrible build, he is more than likely not a skilled player.

Now GW2 and Anet has said that you can create a play style for yourself with every profession. Yes you can, but if your using a horrible build/play style your still hurting all those around you.

So since this is in the WvW section and my previous experience that pertains to this topic is - 5+ years of DAoC RvR and Beta/Live of GA's AvA map control, lets get down to the basics of WvW:

Melee vs Ranged

Small Skirmishes - Melee can excel given you are going up against equal or lesser numbers and you have the right support to allow you to get on the ranged players. This however also means that if you go up against unequal numbers Melee quickly diminishes in effectiveness as more numbers = more control. The first targets of this control will be those who have to get into melee range.

Big Skirmishes - Melee can only excel if you out number your opponents and there is enough going/close quarters to the point that reaching melee distance won't leave you out in the open.

TL;DR - Do you see soldiers in war trying to melee their aggressors? No you see them use range alternatives.

Now as far as Necro's -
1. You have Epidemic, the best spread condi utility in the game, it has a short CD and can cover a great radius.
2. You have access to ranged Wells in which you can cover/hit multiple enemies with
3. You are the strongest condition applicators in all professions with a massive array of cover condi's (staff) let alone Scepter/Dagger or Scepter/Focus

Large scale PvP is more about AoE than Single target burst and even LESS about melee.
Most melee are "door" bashers or man siege.

So why would you play a profession in the one way they are extremely not effective esp in WvW?

You are asking for best pvp wvw build yet your arguing for practically the worst.

[Necrosov]

Draecor, on 18 October 2012 - 09:19 PM, said:

I would play my build, but take wells are ground targetable to be able to place wells on doors (blinds) and keep staff for spamming abilities + epidemic

I really like your build for sPvP and want to use it in WvWvW the problem is I don't think their is any gear you can obtain that has the stats like the Shamans amulet. What type of gear would you suggest?

[Draecor]

Necrosov, on 19 October 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

I really like your build for sPvP and want to use it in WvWvW the problem is I don't think their is any gear you can obtain that has the stats like the Shamans amulet. What type of gear would you suggest?

You have to get Vitality gear instead, which should still be ok considering WvWvW is more about bigger battles.

[jmb4028]

Necrosov, on 19 October 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

I really like your build for sPvP and want to use it in WvWvW the problem is I don't think their is any gear you can obtain that has the stats like the Shamans amulet. What type of gear would you suggest?

I'm pretty sure he was suggesting his "Rabid" build, not the bunker build -- though if you want Healing + Condition Dmg, you can get those stats together but you'd have Vitality instead of Toughness.

I'm pretty sure he was suggesting a 0-30-20/30-20/10-0 type of build. Instead of taking the -20% corruption cooldown, you'd take the ground-targetted Wells. Alternatively, you might find yourself using the staff more than the Scepter and drop Lingering Curses for the Chill on Blind trait and run with WoD.

You'd also have a choice whether to go 30 into Death, or use 10 of those points to push Blood enough to get the lower cooldown on Wells. You'd also want to consider using Transfusion as the other Blood trait, even though it doesn't benefit from healing it still is decent.

A further option is to drop completely out of Blood and use those 20 points into Soul Reaping for a little more defense, or Spite if you want more Power/Marks damage and condition duration.

I've done 30-20-20-0-0 ; 30-0-20-20-0 ; 0-30-20-20-0 and 0-30-20-0-20 and all of them are viable -- and basically all form around the basic style of utilizing the Staff as your primary weapon, and matching what style and utilities to the rest of the build.

As for another comment in the thread regarding the MH Dagger -- it is certainly viable to use, depending on the build. The life siphon and, more importantly, immobilize are both 600 range. Even in WvW, there are going to be times where you have enemies within this range.

[Drekor]

Here is the best necro wvw build (bare bones):
http://gw2skills.net...QFAWCt7IAJFPfNA

You can wear rabid or carrion, whichever you want. All the empty stuff can be customized to do whatever but if you don't have staff, epidemic, greater marks and staff mastery you're gimping yourself pretty severely, the rest is mostly fluff.

[Xom GW2]

In theory ground targeted wells seems like a must in WvW.   In pratice I think its a waste of 20 points for a well build.

So many stupid targeting issues when you are on a keep wall ground targeting is not possible unless you stand on the ledge and at that point you get focused fired down and have to back up quickly.

I just jump off the wall laydown my wells walk back inside and when in not doing that im laying down marks.  I honestly have faster uptime just jumping casting everything walking back inside.  Heck you can just walk up to the doors and cast wells.

Before people theory craft that jumping will get you insta killed in a massive zerg... try it first.

I find standing on the keep wall a faster way to get killed/have to move back and heal.

Too the people flaming necros that use daggers in WvW,  Wells + daggers + staff power builds works very well indeed.

[eyston]

Drekor, on 21 October 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:

Here is the best necro wvw build (bare bones):
http://gw2skills.net...QFAWCt7IAJFPfNA

You can wear rabid or carrion, whichever you want. All the empty stuff can be customized to do whatever but if you don't have staff, epidemic, greater marks and staff mastery you're gimping yourself pretty severely, the rest is mostly fluff.

Pretty much.  You can play WvW many different ways.  The one constant is that staff is awesome at all of them.

[jelz]

Try this bunker necromancer build, works great in any situation, by far the best build I have used as a necro: http://en.gw2skills....TOnkOtCZEyuhpIA