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#1 numark

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 01:11 AM

I was curious if anyone has done this, justify having a Norn (of any profession) join the Order of Whispers.

The Order sounds awesome like an awesome choice except for the fact that being a secret society, how is Norn character supposed to have their tales told?  How are they supposed to weave their name into legend if they're not supposed to talk about what they do?

I'm curious because right now my Norn Guardian currently has Snow Leopard as their spirit guide.  The Order seems like it would be a natural fit, being stealthy and all.  I can also understand that a Guardian, being protective, could justify defending Tyria by any means necessary, including the methods that the Order employs.

However I just can't wrap my head around the idea of a Norn willingly joining an order that requires them to not talk about what they do.  Stealthy does not equal secretive, imo.

Thoughts?

#2 EliteZeon

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 03:59 AM

Actually, when I played through my Human Assassin for a bit, I read through some of the recruitment dialogue for being part of the Order of Whispers. Or did I read this on my Norn...?

If I recall correctly, you are allowed to outright say you are part of the Order of Whispers, and boast about yourself. But there was something among common sense, like don't make it obvious you are doing this and that, if it is supposed to be top secret. Eh, the Order of Whispers NPCs should mention policies about it if you ask them about promotions, etc... during the part in which you have to choose the order.

#3 shiannan73

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 05:23 AM

Well i am always acheiving greatness , why cant i do great things and boast about them without saying who im doing it for and why?

As for the justification , i think in the character select screen i said i use brains or something to defeat foes , seriously , the other two orders didnt seem very bright , sneaking in and doing stuff seemed the smarter way to go

#4 Brynjar

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 11:24 AM

Easy, just boast about it after the fact. The secret part is usually before or during the action - afterward, stuff gets declassified and you can boast all you like.

#5 Tregarde

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 05:13 PM

Norns are individuals. Not every single one is the stereotype of the heavy-drinking, boasting, likes-to-beat-things-up type. Some see value in taking other paths and approaches in life. Some may see working with the Whispers as working for the greater good, even if they can't openly discuss what they do.

#6 Pipples

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 05:52 PM

View Postnumark, on 23 October 2012 - 01:11 AM, said:

The Order sounds awesome like an awesome choice except for the fact that being a secret society, how is Norn character supposed to have their tales told?  How are they supposed to weave their name into legend if they're not supposed to talk about what they do?

Who says they can't talk about what they do? They can't talk about what they do to non-Order members. There's a difference. They can have their stories, but the audience is different. And even if a story was told to the general populace, alternate names can be used.

#7 FoxBat

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 11:16 PM

GW2 Order of Whispers is kind of a joke. For being a "secretive" bunch they're pretty much standing in open daylight, swapping stories with other pact members, boasting how awesome their order is, etc. For Norn to make sense in the Order, the Order itself would have to make sense in the first place, which it doesn't.

View PostPipples, on 26 October 2012 - 05:52 PM, said:

Who says they can't talk about what they do? They can't talk about what they do to non-Order members. There's a difference. They can have their stories, but the audience is different. And even if a story was told to the general populace, alternate names can be used.

Theoretically whatever they are doing would be on a "need to know" basis. If it's important enough to be legendary material, it's likely also secret enough that the lower ranks have no clue about it.

#8 Tregarde

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 04:22 PM

Admittedly, GW2 does a pretty poor job presenting the Whispers as a secretive organization. I can understand some of that is just for gameplay reasons - they want the Whispers to be accessible enough for people to understand who/what they are. In modern terms, they should be a Tyrian equivalent of the CIA, even KGB.

ArenaNet chose to make logic less important than telling a story. If you can deal with that, then the Whispers can be a lot of fun. Just remember that while ArenaNet may not make the Whispers seem secretive, you ARE constantly told things like "you can't talk about this."





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