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#1 dynia666

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 02:16 PM

https://forum-en.gui...er-update/first -
incoming boost for ranger who is rly good and almost every patch nerf somthing in ele, what is already worst class in game ???


Im asking where is justice ?

When we can expect some love for elementalist ;/

I play as ele from bwe1, got ele on lvl 80 and make as her 100% MAP and I can say, she suck ...

When I tried thief after her I can tell is very easy mode of play ... I guess every class I will play now after ele will be easy mode for me :P

ele is bigger work in gw2 as class and get smalest effort in any thing ... in bleeding ... in tank ... in dps ... in burst ... and o well only support is wroth some small effoct any way im going back to lvl up my thief :]

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 02:19 PM

View Postdynia666, on 24 October 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

what is already worst class in game ???
Ranger.

#3 dynia666

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 07:11 PM

sorry if some telling me that is ranger never played ele

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 07:21 PM

Both ranger and elementalist needed balancing.

The Ranger weapon skills tend to be very situational, meaning that when I play my ranger I end up spamming 1 (which is even less fun than it sounds)

When I play my elementalist, I can at least feel like I'm contributing to my party in a meaningful way. I'm clearly not as tough to kill on my ele as I am on my ranger, but I can do a lot more with one weapon and four attunements than I can with the two weapons on my ranger.

This just means they people who were working on fixing the rangers can now focus on fixing the elementalist, which is not a bad thing.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 07:52 PM

They had 2 month since launch to work on ele. They didn't. Some of our bugs (mist form cd reduction) are known for 3 month and still not fixed. It's not like the cd reduction bug is that hard to fix. They simply don't care.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 08:02 PM

dynia666:

I'd actually be telling A-Net to buff Rangers, but Ele would definetly be #2

FYI: I only play Ele

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 08:12 PM

Sorry eles. Ranger need the buff more, k thanks that is all.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:05 PM

Justice says: LOL Ele, here have some nerfs. Ride the lightning was fun? NERFED. Final shielding was actually a good trait? NERFED BEYOND OBLIVION. Oh and we won't talk about those in patchnotes because we don't care about ele.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:14 PM

View PostAetherMcLoud, on 24 October 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

Justice says: LOL Ele, here have some nerfs. Ride the lightning was fun? NERFED. Final shielding was actually a good trait? NERFED BEYOND OBLIVION. Oh and we won't talk about those in patchnotes because we don't care about ele.

What happened to Final Shielding?

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:16 PM

Now triggers at 10% instead of 25%. I.e. just as useless as the rest of the class.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:18 PM

does it say that in the tooltip? tested? how do you know? I only ask because half of GW2's tooltips aren't even right

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:38 PM

I always used the trait before the halloween patch. It always said 25% and did that. Now it doesn't, it triggers at 10%, i.e. never because you'll die by some killshot when you're at 15%. Go to the mists, test it for yourself if you don't believe me.

Edited by AetherMcLoud, 24 October 2012 - 09:39 PM.


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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:49 PM

Too bad Ele is a big part of the current meta...and no, you aren't just limited to bunker, Ele can run DPS/Roamer well enough with S/D. And if you think you don't have enough viable builds, Necro and Ranger say hi.

If you think otherwise, I refer you to Zomoa, or Phantaram...or the ele of any higher end team.

Edited by Nick5130, 24 October 2012 - 10:43 PM.


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Posted 24 October 2012 - 10:39 PM

I think that people should provide videos of them playing their elementalist to rule out operator error.

I'm no GW2 god, but I feel damn effective on mine when I'm in the zone. Normally when I'm getting slapped around its because I burnt all my cognitive energy at work, and can't keep on point.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 01:10 AM

Personally I've already stopped playing my ele except when necessary. Currently juggling my alts until I settle on the one that feels the most enjoyable. Ele's are ok situationally, but across the board they suck pretty badly and it doesn't seem like ANet have any intention of fixing things anytime soon. If they ever do I'll be happy to come back, I've always loved playing the caster/nuker characters in MMO's and don't want to stop now, but currently I'd rather play a fun and viable class instead of toiling over a class that just isn't viable 3/4 of the time.

#16 dynia666

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 08:20 AM

View Postchado2011, on 24 October 2012 - 10:39 PM, said:

I think that people should provide videos of them playing their elementalist to rule out operator error.

I'm no GW2 god, but I feel damn effective on mine when I'm in the zone. Normally when I'm getting slapped around its because I burnt all my cognitive energy at work, and can't keep on point.

Maybe cause there is no more eles in pvp or very less ? or maybe cause they deal 0 dmg and die on 2-3 hits even on pure def build ?
or maybe there are useless

EVEN ranger can kill some classes if play well ele just can't no matter what you do (don't tell me if some1 go afk =P)

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 11:04 AM

After a decade of playing MMO's, my experience is that you don't see widespread complaint across an entire class community for no reason. If you really want to know something is wrong, spend 20 minutes going over each of the class forums, one by one, and tally up how many posts and threads are unhappy compared to how many are neutral or happy in tone and content. The entire elementalist community didn't get together before launch and create some secret pact to pretend the class is broken, this isn't coming out of nowhere, the fact is that the majority of elementalists are unhappy with their class for a reason, and it's up to ANet to figure out what that reason is and fix it.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 11:18 AM

Ok so I will justify this post with a response. Currently rangers have 1 viable build for sPvP/tPvP and a couple of extremely subpar builds.
I play both classes and the amount of flexibility offered by ele is by far way ahead of rangers.

Your first poster in this thread was aky instead of listening you kinda just ignored what he says. So sit down for a minute and let me enlighten you on why you should listen to him. He has been winning and kicking ass constantly while all you have been crying for buffs.
Check out his thread with his builds http://www.guildwars...ld-compilation/ and if you have questions ask him he has been nothing but helpful and informative for the ele community.

Is there fixes that need to be done of course but rangers in the PvP community are generally considered at the bottom of the barrel.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 12:10 PM

I agree that the Ele needs work, but rangers are god awful right now.

And also...they nerfed final shielding? The nerf is somewhat justified on bunker eles but it really hurts every other build way more than it should.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 01:01 PM

Justice? Are you even reading the patchnotes? We got kinda huge buff with latest content update (D/D boost and rocketjump from worst downstate to best one) and our class is definitely playable and good in tpvp. Trebuchet destroyer is ultimate for kyhlo and staff def build can hold point for enough time even in 2v1 and have some damage. Maybe you should stop looking for excuses why you suck and actually give the profession honest try.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 01:07 PM

They didn't just nerf it they destroyed the talent. 10% of 14k is 1.4k health. You won't ever be that low because most attacks deal around 2k damage meaning you're dead before the shield can trigger.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 01:18 PM

View PostFeatherman, on 25 October 2012 - 12:10 PM, said:

I agree that the Ele needs work, but rangers are god awful right now.

And also...they nerfed final shielding? The nerf is somewhat justified on bunker eles but it really hurts every other build way more than it should.

And most bunker eles dont even use it.
You mostly took it to mitigate survivability issues ele gets when you want to deal at least SOME damage compared to other classes.

View PostTherion, on 25 October 2012 - 11:04 AM, said:

After a decade of playing MMO's, my experience is that you don't see widespread complaint across an entire class community for no reason. If you really want to know something is wrong, spend 20 minutes going over each of the class forums, one by one, and tally up how many posts and threads are unhappy compared to how many are neutral or happy in tone and content. The entire elementalist community didn't get together before launch and create some secret pact to pretend the class is broken, this isn't coming out of nowhere, the fact is that the majority of elementalists are unhappy with their class for a reason, and it's up to ANet to figure out what that reason is and fix it.

And it looks even worse if you keep in mind the low number of people playing elementalists.
What makes this really hard though is that elementalist skillcap is really high compared to many other classes.

I get that they don't want to rush things with balancing. But still, most ele issues stand out so glaringly it's not even funny anymore - even worse, its like getting hit in the face everytime you log in. On purpose. Hard. I mean seriously, On scepter the "high single-target-damage"-autoattack deals like NO damage (~ 1/3rd to 1/4th of the good autoattacks) , and also takes 3 1/2 seconds to ramp up...just imagine that. I know you can not only compare that ability, but other classes deal 400% more dps than 'what should be our damaging attack'? Another thing: If you compare it to staff water - it deals a whopping 15% of top notch dps. This would be a really good joke if it wasn't true.

Then, to touch on another matter: Our #2 abilities often are so goddamn awful, just look at dagger. Or to smaller extent other weapons. Most classes have their very good damage skills on #2, with a low cooldown. We get no damage with 5sec weakness...what?!
Also, 99.99% of our burstskills can be nullified by simply moving, which is what this game is about.

Imma stop ranting now, there is nothing more to be helped - we need help, everyone knows it, ANet knows it, yet does nothing. All because they don't want to rush things. What they don't get is that they're losing players over this.

And don't get me wrong, Im not saying ele is useless, just...we need help. Fast.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 01:35 PM

View PostDaPala, on 25 October 2012 - 01:18 PM, said:

Imma stop ranting now, there is nothing more to be helped - we need help, everyone knows it, ANet knows it, yet does nothing. All because they don't want to rush things. What they don't get is that they're losing players over this.

And don't get me wrong, Im not saying ele is useless, just...we need help. Fast.

I get flashbacks to ret paladins in vanilla wow all the time. And I'm not going through that AGAIN.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 02:24 PM

Really? Elementalists are the worst off class? REALLY?!

Over 50% <actually they've been patching alot lately so its closer to 40% but the point stands> of the necro talents are either bugged or don't work at all. They have 1 viable spec<condition> that is worthless if anyone else in the entire group has a bleed skill,  a passable Damage build that requires face to face stabbing action on a clothy, and a completely unusable except for laughs build in minions because the pet AI is broken beyond use, even worse than the other classes pets AI.
Half of the Necro utility skills are disabled underwater, and the only ones left are derp pets and some pvp focused skills so all you actually have underwater is your weapon skills to rely on because who pvps underwater by choice?.

People have already posted rangers problems so theres no point piling on.

I liked how the OP immediately hopped on the most complained about class and decided because thief is powerful all classes must be.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 02:30 PM

If you think (staff) necros are bad in tournaments you really need to watch a good necro play. They have insane point control with wells and the staff skills, and are a really good counter for guardians with their boon-corruption skills.

Sure, necros lack build diversity, but they are nowhere near as bad off as eles, especially in the survivability department.

Edited by AetherMcLoud, 25 October 2012 - 02:30 PM.


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Posted 25 October 2012 - 03:56 PM

The fix to our downed state was desperately needed and is amazing.  I mean, perhaps not so much in sPVP but in WvW you now only die in perhaps a third of the situations you would have previously because you can get back to safety immediately now instead of being helpless while you get Finished or pumped full of AOE.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 05:37 PM

View PostAetherMcLoud, on 25 October 2012 - 02:30 PM, said:

If you think (staff) necros are bad in tournaments you really need to watch a good necro play. They have insane point control with wells and the staff skills, and are a really good counter for guardians with their boon-corruption skills.

Sure, necros lack build diversity, but they are nowhere near as bad off as eles, especially in the survivability department.
As a Necro myself I can confirm necros are awesome when you play to win and not sit around moping about our useless builds.

As for the rest of this thread... Ele's are fantastic when played well but utterly terrible when not played well. I'm not sure that's really a bad thing. In fact I'd go so far as to say that should be emulated in other professions as well. The ranger is just flat out awful though.

Edited by Drekor, 25 October 2012 - 05:38 PM.


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Posted 25 October 2012 - 05:42 PM

View PostDrekor, on 25 October 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

Ele's are fantastic when played well

No they are not. They are okay-ish when played without any mistake, subpar when played well and utterly terrible when played with the amount of concentration you need for any other class besides engineer.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 06:16 PM

View PostAetherMcLoud, on 25 October 2012 - 05:42 PM, said:

No they are not. They are okay-ish when played without any mistake, subpar when played well and utterly terrible when played with the amount of concentration you need for any other class besides engineer.

Yes, they actually are. There's a reason so many top teams have ele's. I'm not saying our dps/roamer is amazing, but when we play support/bunker well they are simply amazing.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 06:42 PM

View Postultra_nubstress, on 25 October 2012 - 06:16 PM, said:

Yes, they actually are. There's a reason so many top teams have ele's. I'm not saying our dps/roamer is amazing, but when we play support/bunker well they are simply amazing.

Is a staff bunker pretty much unkillable? Yes. Is it fun? Hell no. You can't kill anything because you do less damage than a warriors self healing. Yet rangers get all the attention now it seems. They too have a viable spec.

Also a bunker guard is just as hard to kill if not more, than a bunker ele, while having more CC and damage.




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