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[Celendes]

RushV, on 08 November 2012 - 03:32 AM, said:

Whew, sorry for the delay in the updates, I had a busy class schedule this week.

I was informed tonight that Fort Aspenwood received 20 guild with 100+ members in each from Euro time-zones. I can't testify to the truth of this statement, I will gather information from my sources in the game and then post an update about this later.

Can say we were rocking it early today during Euro time, all of FA, EB, and YB were green. We left ET alone mostly

[Malose]

20 guilds of 100 people? A few players would be great but I don't really want FA to become the next bandwagon server. I still want to be able to play without hour long queues at night. I think we were in a great place before this week and a supplement of 2 or 3 off hour guilds would do wonders for the server, but 20 might cause a big problem.

[G L J]

Malose, on 08 November 2012 - 04:07 PM, said:

20 guilds of 100 people? A few players would be great but I don't really want FA to become the next bandwagon server. I still want to be able to play without hour long queues at night. I think we were in a great place before this week and a supplement of 2 or 3 off hour guilds would do wonders for the server, but 20 might cause a big problem.

I highly doubt that we received 20 guilds of 100 people, that's more than any other single server has received.

[Bakedg00ds]

I've got to assume that's a typo and he meant "2" guilds of 100.  I believe Inuko (Asgards guild) may be bringing over a partner.  Regardless, I'm pretty sure the transfers won't actually start for another few days and should take around a week or more to complete from what I've read from Inuko on the GW2 forums.  I'm pretty sure FA's recent comeback against YB is 100% organic.

All that said, I think one of the best way to avoid potential bandwagoning is to now let this thread slowly drift into the ether as we welcome to our new partners in face-smashing.

[funkybudda]

Malose, on 08 November 2012 - 04:07 PM, said:

20 guilds of 100 people? A few players would be great but I don't really want FA to become the next bandwagon server. I still want to be able to play without hour long queues at night. I think we were in a great place before this week and a supplement of 2 or 3 off hour guilds would do wonders for the server, but 20 might cause a big problem.

little late for that, FA has already become a bandwagon server.

[RushV]

No, I was told 20 with 100. I think that claim is too high, and someone got something wrong somewhere. I've only been able to meet the guild leader of one of the guilds and he told me that they were the only ones he knew of.

Edit: I only know of Inuko's guild, and that they are bringing in a couple smaller guilds to lead a Euro alliance.

Edited by RushV, 08 November 2012 - 06:23 PM.

[Malose]

funkybudda, on 08 November 2012 - 06:21 PM, said:

little late for that, FA has already become a bandwagon server.

I'm guessing you're from Yaks and you don't WvW much. Maybe you should log in now and give me more facts about how the massive amount of FA bandwagon jumpers dominate Yaks during the day.

Edited by Malose, 08 November 2012 - 06:33 PM.

[sixplicit]

Getting two Euro 100+ guilds will help greatly, but letting this thread fade to never never land would be jumping the gun.  We will need a few more Euros, some Oceanics, and Asians to give us round the clock coverage that is strong enough to compete at the higher ties and balance us out correctly.  Our NA is very strong but it depends on what Tier we are going for as we could maybe use one or two more strong NA groups to make an impact in higher tier level.  I would never want this to be a bandwagon server as FA has been getting stronger with the slow and steady wins the race method.  I like it.  But we should not stop recruiting for the server just yet.  I just wish this threads title included looking for Asians too as they are equally as important and viable to a server's success of becoming well balanced and competitive in higher tiers.

[G L J]

sixplicit, on 08 November 2012 - 06:33 PM, said:

But we should not stop recruiting for the server just yet.

No server should ever stop recruiting, as it is the new transfers that will replace the ranks of the veterans that slowly but surely lower their playtime. The phase of the bandwagon servers has ended (well, mostly - Henge and Eredon are both still drifting into the grave).

Fort Aspenwood has the potential to be in the top 9 servers. Fort Aspenwood simply needs a little more coverage and a little more of the tenacity that it once had.

[Bakedg00ds]

Take it or leave it.  I'm a fan of baby steps.  Take a few guilds and see how that changes our coverage.   Build bonds with the new groups.  Find the new weak spots.  Move from there.  I don't see much point in rapid expansion and then implosion like what seems to be happening with Blackgate.  They are now trying to reduce their population because it turns out that a large, blanket recruitment brought in a lot of weak bodies in addition to good ones in terms of fighting skill and community.

Edited by Bakedg00ds, 08 November 2012 - 06:54 PM.

[Bluetalon_TOG]

Malose, on 08 November 2012 - 06:32 PM, said:

I'm guessing you're from Yaks and you don't WvW much. Maybe you should log in now and give me more facts about how the massive amount of FA bandwagon jumpers dominate Yaks during the day.

This made me very happy..... Thank you for making my morning.

YAK ATTACK!

[Cruyelo]

Malose, on 08 November 2012 - 06:32 PM, said:

I'm guessing you're from Yaks and you don't WvW much. Maybe you should log in now and give me more facts about how the massive amount of FA bandwagon jumpers dominate Yaks during the day.

http://mos.millenium...servers/view/39
From 2am to 10am, FA had an income of 500 to 600 ppt.
FA also dominated during the day on the 6th and 7th.
Yak temporarily took the lead today. Didn't last.

So yes, he was actually correct when he said that FA newcomers do in fact dominate Yak during the day. Especially when you compare the Income Evolution to what it was before. There is an obvious change in power. The first 3 days are very different from the last 3 days.

I'm not sure what denying it actually achieves. FA's recruitment drive worked.

[IRSyKoX]

Yeah now hang on guys dont call the drive just yet, I've yet to see all these transfer we have gotten and we are still waiting on word from Inuko. Besides we still need more in the overnight time slot.

[IRSyKoX]

Yeah guys I have been trying my best to follow up on the information in this thread and it seems a lot of the information is false. We did NOT have 20 guilds of 100+ transfer over. we did NOT have a 70 man Japanese guild transfer over.

We have 2 confirmed 40ish man EU guilds move over to us (Asg, LLAC) Looks like LLAC fields about 10 guys and Asgards just came over tonight, and the leader is saying they still have players to transfer in so Asgards may indeed be looking at a lot more then 40

While this is a good start it is simply not enough coverage to contend in Higher tiers. We still need to fill in our overnight badly (Asians, oceanics). I'd say we would still do well with more Euros as well if we are looking to be compete in the higher slots.

Figured I'd keep everybody in the loop, keep up the good work guys.

[Monkako]

20 guilds of +100 never seemed realistic, but the good news is that a change was still seen in FA's strenght during the day.
Not everyone who transfers will announce it, so even if you don't see it the work being done probably still pays off. (Like it did last week)

[IRSyKoX]

Heres a good taste of what we do on Fort aspenwood.

This is a few guys from PRO and some others defending against a golem rush on SMC at about 3 30 AM

[RushV]

Whew, late night last night in WvW.

Echo was in Henge BL all last night, we were heading to DH but everyone else went there first, so we went to hod. We worked closely with Asgard in defense of Champs, Greenlake, and Greenwater. They knew what they were doing.

The japanese guild tag is [GPN], they are on really, really late.

As for the large influx of Euro, I only know the 9 that joined GODS and then LLAC. Asgard came over last night, don't know their full numbers. All I know is that they listen to orders down to the letter.

[IRSyKoX]

Hey folks.

Fort aspenwood is still looking for some dedicated WvW players/guilds to help us push into T3

Here is another 1 of our amazing guilds in some action ;]



Great fighting ULTD!

[Drtoph]

If you are looking for a server which looks to have some great fights in it's future FA is the place for you.  We are looking to have one of our most even match-ups to date starting this friday with our predicted TC vs FA vs YB.  We just need some more coverage from the 3AM-8AM EST slot (although all overnight and morning coverage could use a bit of a boost) to help hold all the keeps and towers we spend all night upgrading.  If you are looking for a great server, with good people and good battles, FA is the place to be, TC and YB are sure to bring it and we don't want to let them think they can PvDoor and get away with it.

[Bronxbob]

Just to cosign this thread once again.  

Some of our European and Oceanic players that are already on FA, could use some help. While we do have a better presence now than we've had in the past, the borderlands are still wide open during those hours.

Any guilds looking to make a switch, you can guarantee to not hit a queue, and be an immediate help.

At the tier we are at now: THERE WILL BE STUFF TO TAKE, BATTLES TO BE FOUGHT, AND DOLYAKS TO KILL.

Now that we are at this tier, there's ALWAYS action somewhere at just about anytime.

Of course NA primetime guilds are welcome also...and while there is a queue in certain borderlands sometimes...there's almost always at least one borderland with no queue and in need of defenders. FA likes to defend our stuff, because every guild in here will upgrade our towers/keeps.

FA is the place to play.

[Aetou]

Actually what T3 needs at the moment, based on observations of the last 2 weeks, is for Oceanic Prime / EU Day guilds to join TC and YB while EU Evening & NA Prime guilds are needed by FA and CD.  I think the tier will be a lot more interesting if we focus on directing people to the weaker servers in each particular time slot rather than trying to further sway the imbalance (because honestly, it just isn't fun for either side if a server has a hole in coverage and currently FA and CD have far more oceanic coverage than the other two servers.)

The four T3 servers (I'm assuming that CD and FA/YB will be swapping in and out for a bit) are all pretty awesome and the bracket is a lot of fun, I just think it would be even more fun if we try and stop one server from having more than the other two combined at any point in time.  I am obviously a bit biased though.

[sixplicit]

Aetou, on 19 November 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:

Actually what T3 needs at the moment, based on observations of the last 2 weeks, is for Oceanic Prime / EU Day guilds to join TC and YB while EU Evening & NA Prime guilds are needed by FA and CD.  I think the tier will be a lot more interesting if we focus on directing people to the weaker servers in each particular time slot rather than trying to further sway the imbalance (because honestly, it just isn't fun for either side if a server has a hole in coverage and currently FA and CD have far more oceanic coverage than the other two servers.)

The four T3 servers (I'm assuming that CD and FA/YB will be swapping in and out for a bit) are all pretty awesome and the bracket is a lot of fun, I just think it would be even more fun if we try and stop one server from having more than the other two combined at any point in time.  I am obviously a bit biased though.

Not sure this is the place to pilfer what little Oceanic/Euro/Asian presence FA has going for it.  TC is fine compared to FA.  TC has a larger player base though they PVE during events.  The tide has been turning for TC during all time zones.  Its not kosher to come in a thread made by FA and try to pilfer from FA and tell others to not go there.  I don't mind you dropping in and saying you need some players in TC also but to say NA guilds should go to FA and not oceanics is a bit out of place.  FA is much weaker in the time zones posted by OP.  When we played SOS the last time it was slightly proven what NA needed.  FA flipped everything during NA times and SOS flipped everything in Oceanic.  It was back and forth dooring.

[The_Tree_Branch]

I'm really not a fan of this (even when its my own server recruiting). Leaves too much of a shitstorm in its wake, upsets rankings too much, etc. Live and let be. A lot of servers need night time coverage.

[Aetou]

Actually I was making a genuine suggestion about how the four servers could work together to make the bracket better by funneling guilds looking to move into the bracket to the right places (and that includes suggesting NA Prime guilds don't come to TC.)  if you think FA has a low Oceanic presence then I suggest you try logging on during that time slot - you honestly had considerably more people than both TC and FA combined and the event is over now.  Yes, we're all weaker in the Oceanic slot than SoS but that doesn't mean that FA are weak there.  FA are weak around now, from (roughly) 11am EST on until maybe 7pm EST.  FA are, however, very strong in the period before that - between about 5am EST and 11am EST.  Guilds that want good, fun fights should thus choose their T3 server based on which of those two periods they play in because if another 40 player Oceanic guild joined in the first window it really would just be PvD for them.

[Cruyelo]

sixplicit, on 19 November 2012 - 11:25 PM, said:

Not sure this is the place to pilfer what little Oceanic/Euro/Asian presence FA has going for it.  TC is fine compared to FA.  TC has a larger player base though they PVE during events.  The tide has been turning for TC during all time zones.  Its not kosher to come in a thread made by FA and try to pilfer from FA and tell others to not go there.  I don't mind you dropping in and saying you need some players in TC also but to say NA guilds should go to FA and not oceanics is a bit out of place.  FA is much weaker in the time zones posted by OP.  When we played SOS the last time it was slightly proven what NA needed.  FA flipped everything during NA times and SOS flipped everything in Oceanic.  It was back and forth dooring.

I'm not sure you realize how long ago your fight against SoS was. Back in early October.
SoS was also always VERY strong outside NA, saying that FA couldn't compete with SoS during the day back in October doesn't really mean much =/. They were weak during NA and very strong outside. (Then many NA guilds transferred and they got amazing coverage all over)

I agree that it's not a good idea to come in the thread of a different server tho. It's just that what he said is actually accurate : FA currently has a better Day presence than every other Tier 3 servers and this has been shown very recently (much more recent than the fight against SoS). FA's previous fights against TC and YB will show this. (FA was stronger during the day against TC. FA originally was losing against YB during the day but eventually started winning. YB won against TC during the day. CD also won against TC during the day.)

Either way, I don't condone coming in a different thread to ask people to join other servers but I do recommend looking at what FA actually needs to complete their coverage. More oceanic and european players isn't actually it.
You can also look at the Income Evolution of all 3 servers over the next few days if you want to see for yourself (which is always the best option) :
http://mos.millenium...servers/view/39
Now that the weekend is over, you'll see all 3 servers go back to their old pattern. (In FA's case : leading from early morning to early afternoon, then losing the lead)

Edited by Cruyelo, 19 November 2012 - 11:41 PM.

[Bakedg00ds]

I'm going to ask people not on FA to stop suggesting what FA needs.  I don't think that's too much.  Our players know best but thank you for your advice.

We need more Oceanic/Euro.  So any guilds that are interested please let us know!

[sixplicit]

You also have to keep in mind the week.  Some schools are out for a week in NA for Thanksgiving which could contribute to day play. I know when the SOS game was and I know some things have changed.  We gained one big Oceanic and 1 Japanese guild and maybe Asg got a few small guilds to come with them.  I just know when we have been lacking coverage and until this fight our NA primetime has not been the time lacking.  It has improved in daytime of recent. Midnight to early AM is a nightmare.

[Cruyelo]

sixplicit, on 20 November 2012 - 01:11 AM, said:

You also have to keep in mind the week.  Some schools are out for a week in NA for Thanksgiving which could contribute to day play.

It's been that way for weeks tho, against all of the current Tier 3 servers. This wasn't limited to one particular week but a recurring occurrence. It's really what the data of the previous 4 weeks show, strong during day struggle during night. It's actually numbers that are available for everyone to look at.
If you guys still want to increase your day presence it's fine tho and I won't post more since you guys don't want more feedback on this.

On the plus side : the discussion bumped your thread a lot. It'll help.

[IRSyKoX]

In all honesty I think FA could use a guild or 2 to strengthen NA prime-time as well. Some nights we do really well, and other nights we don't because major guilds aren't running campaigns and what have you. Any players or guilds regardless of time period shoot me a PM and I can help ease you into the process, talk in TS,  suggest guilds for potential transfers etc etc. Basically anything I can do to help. I am PTX' Unoffical WvW Guild liaison of sorts, so don't be afraid to send me a PM or tell.

Either way I am so so proud of the strives we as a server has made the past few weeks. FA is really shaping up to be a strong heavy hitting server and I am so proud to have been apart of it since the start. Great work to the guilds fighting tooth and nail on FA to put points on the board and keep our name out there.

Edited by IRSyKoX, 20 November 2012 - 04:04 AM.

[IRSyKoX]

Just talked to the guild leader of OBEY. Can confirm they are in the process of moving thier members to FA. He said they are a PvE focused guild but does WvW at times. they usually field between 20 to 30 in WvW.