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#1 NihonYin

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 04:03 PM

Enjoy, and I’ll be updating now and then when I have more vids.

My Build Link :- [Click]

WvWvW pvp Vid 10 [NEW] 16th Nov
https://www.youtube....h?v=AzNFy1q3MHA
WvWvW pvp Vid 9
http://www.youtube.c...iU&feature=plcp
WvWvW pvp Vid 8
http://www.youtube.c...38;feature=plcp
WvWvW pvp Vid 7
https://www.youtube....h?v=wvONLq9ACxo
WvWvW pvp Vid 6
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=QTl32DXfRB8
WvWvW pvp Vid 5
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=DZCKtadyJQc

Spvp 1 [NEW]
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=bDjvKCOOfNc
Spvp 2 [NEW]
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=YWltwf_hkSM
Spvp 3 [NEW]
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=vOZcsKgPWRA

My Impossible to win fights [NEW] :-
http://www.youtube.c...ww&feature=plcp

Soloing Supply Camp [NEW] :-
http://www.youtube.c...G0&feature=plcp

Sorry had to delete 1-3 because of the music, will re-upload 4 later.
And I'll make a better Spvp one later.

How I play my Ele tutorial/armour/weapons/build etc
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=D5OvTpSoAq0 – Part 1 – PvP Fights at end of vid
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=e5TVBmcyaLw – Part 2 – PvP Fights at end of vid

Eternal BattleGround Puzzle Jump Speed run 4:10
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=Jm7kh3OBPcI

Lost Shore Day 1
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=S4DSWfjWSS0
Lost Shore Day 2 Part 1
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=XJFPpQ-oELI
Lost Shore Day 2 Part 2
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=j9N0gwJF7hM

Equipment:-

Dagger – Cleric’s pearl carver of corruption
Dagger – Carrion pearl carver of smoldering

Back – Guild defender backpack of carrion
Ear – Sapphire Ori. earring of the Cleric
Ear – Chry. Ori. earring of carrion
Ring – Sapphire Ori. ring of cleric
Ring – Chry. ori. ring of carrion
Neck – Sapphire ori. amulet of cleric

Head – Cleric exalted masque of undead
Shoulders – Cleric's Exalted Mantle of undead
Chest – Valkyrie winged tunic of undead [WvWvW Honor Badge Chest]
Gloves – Carrion Exalted gloves of undead
Legs – Cleric's Exalted pants of undead
Boots – Carrion's Exalted boots of undead

I wanted to balance Toughness/Power/Condition/Vitality/Healing out quite equally so I'm pretty much
good in all fields, so this is my set.

For abilities:

Signet of Restoration - nice 3.6k heal + 270 heal everyskill.
Signet of Fire - 8k easy dmg every 20 seconds.
Lightning Flash - Used for chunning earth when they move out of range.
Mist Form - 3 second immunity(not from dots sadly) and used for mostly finishing people when fighting mutiple enemies.
Glyph of Elementals - I don't use this, but if I did. Water elite, as it heals me to full.

30 Earth for tanky build + gives me 300 condition.
20 Water for heals.
20 Arcane for the traits you get in that line and longer boon's and shorter switching.

Check out my Ele tutorial video for more info.

So I got asked a question on why am I doing these video's, good question.

First of all I picked this build from day 1, and I'm always a big fan of dmg over time, it's not very popular
because you only see small dmg.
it's depressing/disheartening to see no big crits over 6k etc but that's what I like best,
as people tend to ignore small dmg over time, if they see 4-6k hits you react more and will be on high alert.

So this is for people who are interested in condition dmg over time and not big dmg/crits.

Instead of a big essay which I could write but nobody would read, I'd like to point out the things I like best
about this build and maybe the flaws.

1) Condition ignores all armour! it's a direct damage to their health pool.

2) It's pretty much stealth damage, not many will notice the HUGE drain from the overtime dmg.
And I'm not talking small damage my:-
signet of fire does 8k dmg in 12.5 seconds. [20 sec CD]
Chunning earth does 10k+ dmg in 11 seconds. [30 sec CD]
Impale/ring of earth does 2k dmg in 13 seconds ish. [1-6 sec CD]
Drake's Breath does 10k dmg in 4 seconds. [5 sec CD]
Ring of fire does 5k dmg in 7 seconds. [15 sec CD]

Now that's alot of damage and on very short CD, ok some classes have
abilities that can cleanse them, but they can't keep cleansing every
10 seconds can they, guardians can with their 10 second heal thing, but
he's got to heal sometime, and when he does, there is nothing to defend him.

Oh and don't ignore the direct damage that my skills do as well!
Normal to the big hits like churning earth does 1-4k damage if they hit alone.

3) Kwayso Corrected me on this and I'll just delete this part :P
Fire stacks in duration, but bleed's do stack in intensity too

0.5 * Level + 0.05 * Condition Damage + 2.5 = per stack per second
Formular for all you math wiz's.

But for a quick example if I stack bleed + fire dmg, then I can do
around 1000+ damage every second!

4) Now the REAL beauty of this is the many style of plays I can do,
I don't do it much in my video's but against melee classes or people
who need to stay close, you can apply dot/bleeds then run away and leave
them dying overtime, whilst they chase you.

5) The majority of our skills are AOE, so if fighting multiple enemies, not only will you
be taking 1 down, you will also be taking the others around him down at the same time.
I've taken down enemies I was ignoring around me, whilst fighting another, it's fun to see.

6) It's a bunker build, but don't think just because I'm nearly as tough as a guardian and can
heal to full in less in 3 seconds that I can't do damage, because chances are you'll be down
without you knowing it.

I can pretty much go on forever but I bet no one will read all this.

Flaws :-

1) I'm slow, I can't roam fast or chase people or run away that well.
Ride the lighting/teleport helps abit, but it's not that great.

2) I can't kill other ele's who are 0/0/10/30/30, they heal and cleanse too much.
but good thing is they can't kill me either, so it's just a waste of time.
[I got a vid of this fight, and it went on for ages! I'll upload it when I got time]

3) D/D range is very short, so sadly we have to get up close and personal to land the skills.

Quick Summary :-

Want to be a Tank/Healer and be able to do dmg at a decent rate(no big hits sorry) then try this build out,
I find it really fun to play, and I'm sure you will too, I know some have switched to this build and enjoyed it,
and also one person switched from his Theif d/d to Ele d/d because of this.

Edited by NihonYin, 19 November 2012 - 04:41 AM.


#2 atomicmuse

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 07:15 PM

Really enjoyed your commentary.  I like this build a lot.

#3 NihonYin

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 04:35 AM

Thanx, here's my latest vid WvWvW pvp 5:-



Also added a speedrun vid after someone challenged me.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 03:40 PM

How did you get RTL to work so well? Mine always, and I mean always bugs out before reaching the opponent ._.

Maybe it's latency.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 06:25 PM

It dosen't :P, it's pretty much 70% fail rate on it, if you look at my pvp vids 1-4, RTL nearly always bugs and stops short and leaves me buzzing in mid air like an idiot taking hits.

But I use it anyway to get close quickly, in my eyes it's still better then simply walking up to them slowly.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 06:33 PM

Ah I only watched your most recently posted video. The first few RTLs were flawless.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 10:17 PM

I tried this build a bit yesterday and liked it a lot. I'm going to continue playing with it for now. Thanks for the tip and the awesome videos!

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 09:56 PM

Glad it helped, thx for watching.

PvP Vid 6 is up.
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=QTl32DXfRB8

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 02:54 AM

ty man!
I've always trying to craft a d/d bd. I very much enjoy watching ur videos.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 07:06 PM

Good to hear caonima, thx for watching.

PvP vid 7 is up too.
https://www.youtube....h?v=wvONLq9ACxo

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 07:10 AM

Where's the build? Sorry I don't see it.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 01:52 PM

It's in this how i play my ele vid = http://www.youtube.c...h?v=D5OvTpSoAq0
Shows my build/armour/weapons/rotations/examples in fights etc all you need to know.

Quick answer = 0/0/30/20/20

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 04:07 PM

You should really consider just posting the build too (by itself). Showing us videos of you winning is great, but you have to understand that people want to know if your traits/upgrades are having certain impacts on your game. Decent gameplay and commentary, but without a build to examine, I'm not sure what the thread purpose is. No offense.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 04:15 PM

No offense taken, I didn't think about that. I'll write up a detailed report and update the first post.
Cheer's for the feedback.

Edited by NihonYin, 06 November 2012 - 05:56 PM.


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Posted 06 November 2012 - 05:16 PM

View PostMekkakat, on 06 November 2012 - 04:07 PM, said:

You should really consider just posting the build too (by itself). Showing us videos of you winning is great, but you have to understand that people want to know if your traits/upgrades are having certain impacts on your game. Decent gameplay and commentary, but without a build to examine, I'm not sure what the thread purpose is. No offense.

This. Whenever I see a gameplay thread with a video but no build I don't even bother watching the video.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 05:56 PM

View PostMekkakat, on 06 November 2012 - 04:07 PM, said:

You should really consider just posting the build too (by itself). Showing us videos of you winning is great, but you have to understand that people want to know if your traits/upgrades are having certain impacts on your game. Decent gameplay and commentary, but without a build to examine, I'm not sure what the thread purpose is. No offense.

Well I updated it now with my equipment and skills and why I did these videos etc
Anything else missing, give me a shout.


View PostAetherMcLoud, on 06 November 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

This. Whenever I see a gameplay thread with a video but no build I don't even bother watching the video.

So AetherMcLoud as I updated it with all your requirements, will you watch my vid's now?


Any more feedback is welcomed, always trying to improve thx.

Edited by NihonYin, 06 November 2012 - 05:57 PM.


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Posted 06 November 2012 - 05:58 PM

View PostNihonYin, on 06 November 2012 - 05:56 PM, said:

Well I updated it now with my equipment and skills and why I did these videos etc
Anything else missing, give me a shout.




So AetherMcLoud as I updated it with all your requirements, will you watch my vid's now?


Any more feedback is welcomed, always trying to improve thx.

I would have preferred a direct link to the build instead of a long textual description but I'll try to look at the sPVP videos when I get home. I'm not interested in WvW at all.

Edit: Unless I'm blind, "30 earth 20 water 20 arcane" isn't really a build description. Those traits could be anything (besides written in stone and elemental mastery).

Edited by AetherMcLoud, 06 November 2012 - 06:00 PM.


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Posted 06 November 2012 - 06:04 PM

First off, I enjoyed your vids, and especially the ones with no music ;).  I just wanted to correct something you wrote before someone flames you for it.


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3) There is a intensity stack on Fire dots and Bleeds up to 9 stacks total, wiki says 25 not sure whats right. but I only see 9.
This is different from multiple stacks by the way, so it's only 1 stack but
you can increase that stack dmg every tick.


Burning stacks in duration not intensity ref.  This means each additional burn you apply increases the total time that the target will burn.  Bleeds do indeed stack in intensity up to 25.  What you are probably seeing is the earlier bleeds dropping off as you apply new ones.  Each bleed applied keeps track of its own duration and the stacks will change accordingly.  In other words you apply bleeds # 1 through 9.  As you are about to apply bleed #10, bleed number 1-3 drop off leaving the total stack at 7 (plus 1, minus 3).

Edited by kwayso, 06 November 2012 - 06:07 PM.


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Posted 06 November 2012 - 06:08 PM

Nice job! I don't play an elementalist but I did watch your 7th video and really enjoyed it!

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 06:35 PM

View PostAetherMcLoud, on 06 November 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:

I would have preferred a direct link to the build instead of a long textual description but I'll try to look at the sPVP videos when I get home. I'm not interested in WvW at all.

Edit: Unless I'm blind, "30 earth 20 water 20 arcane" isn't really a build description. Those traits could be anything (besides written in stone and elemental mastery).

Ahh now I understand what you mean, updated link up the top with build.

Although sadly that Spvp vid kinda sucked as it took many hours to get a decent fight with noone joinning in on my fights, and well it was my earlier fights when I was still learning.

The only fight I like in that vid is at 3:40 when I took down a theif, another theif joinned in, then a
guardian and then at the end the first theif I killed came back, could of took down the 2nd theif if I
used my ulti for heal but I don't use ulti's.

Took 35k in total dmg whilst taking on nearly 3-4 people over 1min+ and nearly downing 2 of them by
myself, no ulti.
It's a pretty good build to try out one day.

I know Spvp is a teamgame etc etc, but I just wanted to show it does work for 1v1 in Spvp as well in WvWvW.
But I know with this build, working with your team it's very good and fun as most people think you're easy to kill, but not only can I survive a long time, I can do decent damage at the same time.

Sadly I enjoy WvWvW more as I enjoy the Mano-a-Mano fights more then group fights.
And frankly it's MUCH easier to find small fights then in Spvp.

maybe one day I'll go back to it and make a vid with my group, but doubt it as I enjoy fighting
with my powers alone, even if the odd's are against me.

Thanx Kwayso for pointing that out, made a mistake with fire.

Thx for watching stefanplc.

Edited by NihonYin, 06 November 2012 - 06:59 PM.


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Posted 06 November 2012 - 07:02 PM

@Nihoyin, this is now a fantastic thread. THANK YOU for the link. While I did watch your "build video" having a link I can have open while watching your videos is just SO much better.

I also recommmend adding that link to the videos. Again it's just the way "it's done". When people watch your videos they need to see your build/gear.

I subscribed to your channel.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 07:12 PM

Just checked out the build you linked.  Did you change your build from the "How I play.." videos?  I ask because the link has you taking earth II (-20% signet recharge), but the video shows earth V (protection on auras).  Just making sure you're showing what you want ;).  Also, at one point I thought that using 2 sigil of corruption was not quite working as expected (right? fixed?).  You may consider sigil of battle to get some might stacks when swapping between attunements.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 07:20 PM

View Postkwayso, on 06 November 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

Just checked out the build you linked.  Did you change your build from the "How I play.." videos?  I ask because the link has you taking earth II (-20% signet recharge), but the video shows earth V (protection on auras).  Just making sure you're showing what you want ;).  Also, at one point I thought that using 2 sigil of corruption was not quite working as expected (right? fixed?).  You may consider sigil of battle to get some might stacks when swapping between attunements.

Yeah you're right, took me awhile to fix it, some reason It wasn't updating when I changed some of the stuff, so I had to remove and do the build from scratch and update the link again, it's fixed now.

OMG, I didn't know sigil of battle worked for ele's as it said "switch weapons" going to
switch this right now for my wvwvw battles too, lucky I did mess up on the link.

Yeah the weapon sigil can be changed to whatever people prefer tbh, Guess I should of just left
it blank.

Thx for pointing it out.

View PostSoulstitchmmo, on 06 November 2012 - 07:02 PM, said:

@Nihoyin, this is now a fantastic thread. THANK YOU for the link. While I did watch your "build video" having a link I can have open while watching your videos is just SO much better.

I also recommmend adding that link to the videos. Again it's just the way "it's done". When people watch your videos they need to see your build/gear.

I subscribed to your channel.

Thanx Soulstichmmo, you'll have to click the link again, sadly it didn't give me the right link when I updated it.
But it's fixed now.

Will stick a link with my build in the vid's, cheers.

Edited by NihonYin, 06 November 2012 - 08:00 PM.


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Posted 06 November 2012 - 08:56 PM

Is geomancers freedom really worth the master trait? I never tried but but on paper it reads simply bad... 33% off of 1-4 seconds (most immobilized and chills are rather short) doesn't sound so fancy.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 02:14 AM

View PostAetherMcLoud, on 06 November 2012 - 08:56 PM, said:

Is geomancers freedom really worth the master trait? I never tried but but on paper it reads simply bad... 33% off of 1-4 seconds (most immobilized and chills are rather short) doesn't sound so fancy.

True it doesn't sound that great and it took me awhile to think about this one, my other choices were:-
X - 20% faster earth skills
VIII - 20% Bleed duration
II - Signets recharge 20% faster (I really really wanted this one!)
If I had to change it would be this one. [II - Signet Mastery]

Thing is I could use teleport+mist to escape but most of the time I like saving my teleport for churning and my mist for finishing someone off when I'm fighting mutiple enemies which is more often then I show in my vids so thats why I don't use them abilities
much for escaping.

Now although it's only 33% it has saved me on a few occasions, a good example is my PvP vid 5 when I had to fight them 2 warriors at the beginning of the vid,

Now I did waste teleport in that situation because I didn't teleport far enough to get away from the 2nd warriors whirlwind, or maybe I did, I don't know I can't tell as the dmg meter doesn't display names, but anyway that was bad on my part.

At 16 seconds, they both immobilized me, and got me down to 1k, if I had been rooted there for another 2-3 seconds because I didn't have this abilitiy I proberly would of went down because in my mind when fighting mutiple people I want to save mist at all cost, it's just too risky to finish someone off without it, you will get inturrpted and hit etc, you get the idea.

If I went down, it would of been my fault for not using mist, but well that's just what happend anyway, looking back at it now I could of just switched to healing and would of been alright, but it's not like I'm a master at my class, I'm still improving and I guess I'll learn from that.

But I'm guessing what I'm trying to say is that 33% reduction saved me, and it saved not only my life but me from using my mist which then in return, gave me the ability to finish off the first warrior, and then hopefully the second one after if more didn't save them.

And in that situation I didn't know the 2nd warrior was going to go down anyway, if I didn't have mist, the warrior would of just inturrpted me and the other warrior could of taken me down whilst I'm finishing off the first one and so on so on etc.

I guess alot of scenario's and situations would of happened but all in all this 33% ability has saved me a couple of times, and I'm happy with it, if I had to pick another it would be that 20% reduction for signets.

Now in Spvp which you are interested in, group fights everyone is putting down slows, roots, immba etc etc, and trust me your abilities mist/tele/stability whatever you use will not be up most of the time because they are insane timers on them, and we are talking spvp where there is non stop action and abilities are going to be down.

At least this 33% reduction will be up 24/7 and you never know, that 1, 2 or 3 second's might be the difference in escaping with enough life to get away/heal up or simply catching up to someone who's running away from you, who rooted/imbo/slowed you down.

All in all there are pro's and con's to every trait people pick, but I'm glad I picked this one that's for sure.
1 second may not sound like a long time in games, but truth is, it could be the difference between winning or losing.

Edited by NihonYin, 07 November 2012 - 02:28 AM.


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Posted 07 November 2012 - 03:10 AM

Hm, thanks. I'm not wild about the build, nor any condition build (at least yet) for Ele. I tried my hand at a few of them, and even posted a couple build threads myself. Here's a cute one I played with for a good bit in WvW as well.

http://gw2skills.net...0koJbTumkNN8Y B

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 07:42 AM

Why D/D not Sceptre/D? Just curious.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 02:41 PM

View PostSoulstitchmmo, on 07 November 2012 - 07:42 AM, said:

Why D/D not Sceptre/D? Just curious.

Before I picked I just stood there comparing S/D to D/D because I didn't know what to go either but after awhile I found D/D to be more offensive and with D/D you get the drakes breath/burning speed which has more cond dmg then the S/D 2 and 3 skills.

S/D has nice control spells like more slows, it's also got 2 blinds on lightning and earth and again less offensive spells it's more about
controlling the enemy and some spells requires them to stay in the same spot like dragon's tooth or phoenix which needs careful aim to hit them 3 times, water shatter 2 seconds before exploding etc etc.

So yeah D/D had more pro's then cons for me then S/D, but don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with going s/d, just really
depends on your playstyle, and D/D suited my playstyle and build more.

Edited by NihonYin, 07 November 2012 - 02:42 PM.


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Posted 07 November 2012 - 06:37 PM

Thanks for the explanation, and I had figured it was something to do with the drakes breath, all though the #1 does stack fire + damage. as I level I'll try 'em both out.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 10:48 PM

Can you solo a supply camp with this build? My Mesmer is amazing at 1v1, 1vX, and can solo supply camps. I'm kinda hoping to be able to do the same with my Ele.




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