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[Ramanadjinn]

chromeo1, on 05 November 2012 - 04:15 PM, said:

Well, then we're becoming a Yak's Bend then. Because this matchup is the same thing, with you guys being CD. Would be nice if 95% of the matches weren't decided by WvDoor.

I don't think it really applies.

The interesting thing about Yaks vs. CD was we pretty much beat the snot out of them in prime time and into the late night hours.  Like FA we are a NA prime time server mainly.

it wasn't unusual for us to carry a +300 to +500 all through prime time and gain on CD quite a bit.  FA isn't gaining any leads on us point wise prime time, although some very good guilds are trying and if they had more help I think they could.

I would say we are Yaks, FA is FA, and CD is CD.

As far as transfers, yes we have a few new unguilded people I would assume from our recent successes, but our queues are still short to non-existent and we have no new guilds on the server.

I wouldn't be ashamed if we did grab some new guilds.  I welcome any.  Its not like we could keep it a secret.  But the simple truth is we're running the same tags we were when we lost to maguuma those weeks ago.  I invite anyone to look through some screenshots and note the guild tags they see on the field.

All you're going to find is the same old guilds from weeks ago.  Foo, BS, OF, TOG, Rag, War, etc...  Just our Yaks Bend alliance and the same guilds that have been working with them all along.  Anyone who says otherwise is just selling something.

[G L J]

Ramanadjinn, on 05 November 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

I don't think it really applies.

The interesting thing about Yaks vs. CD was we pretty much beat the snot out of them in prime time and into the late night hours.  Like FA we are a NA prime time server mainly.

it wasn't unusual for us to carry a +300 to +500 all through prime time and gain on CD quite a bit.  FA isn't gaining any leads on us point wise prime time, although some very good guilds are trying and if they had more help I think they could.

I would say we are Yaks, FA is FA, and CD is CD.

You're reading into my comparison far too much. Fort Aspenwood, like Crystal Desert, quits when it becomes obvious that they aren't going to have first place handed to them on a silver platter.

[chromeo1]

Ramanadjinn, on 05 November 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

I don't think it really applies.

The interesting thing about Yaks vs. CD was we pretty much beat the snot out of them in prime time and into the late night hours.  Like FA we are a NA prime time server mainly.

it wasn't unusual for us to carry a +300 to +500 all through prime time and gain on CD quite a bit.  FA isn't gaining any leads on us point wise prime time, although some very good guilds are trying and if they had more help I think they could.

Didn't really mean anything by it. Just commenting on the state of wvw in general. As you know from your previous match up, going up against a vastly more populated oceanic/eu force is just nearly impossible to deal with. This also leads to problems in all time zones because you're fighting against equal/superior numbers the rest of the time inside their fully upgraded keeps.

Yak's seems to have quite the population gap on FA, as I've seen it being listed at full most of the time. Couple that with the whole "Look at wvw points > join if winning, pve if not" mentality of the pugs in FA and it just makes the match even more lopsided. If only we had a queue after friday night on a losing week it'd be a bit more interesting.

Edited by chromeo1, 05 November 2012 - 08:33 PM.

[Saviorms]

chromeo1, on 05 November 2012 - 08:31 PM, said:

Didn't really mean anything by it. Just commenting on the state of wvw in general. As you know from your previous match up, going up against a vastly more populated oceanic/eu force is just nearly impossible to deal with. This also leads to problems in all time zones because you're fighting against equal/superior numbers the rest of the time inside their fully upgraded keeps.

Yak's seems to have quite the population gap on FA, as I've seen it being listed at full most of the time. Couple that with the whole "Look at wvw points > join if winning, pve if not" mentality of the pugs in FA and it just makes the match even more lopsided. If only we had a queue after friday night on a losing week it'd be a bit more interesting.

The population of yaks has been full since Pre-launch. I have seen some transfer but mostly cause we had an open Balth. WvW is still the same guilds/people I see in there nightly. Some new but mostly people finally playing WvW. I know a lot of people held out to do WvW till they had a lot of other things done. We seem to have a lot of people cause we are a full server that has finally had WvW interests.

With that said free transfers have ruined the hopes of making WvW even. Cause as soon as you start to lose 1/4 of the WvW pop stops or leaves. Will be nice once they fix that and match ups even out and it takes weeks to move a tier. Also good work this morning FA or taking almost everything.

[IRSyKoX]

I just have to say, as the weeks go on and whether or not Fort Aspenwood wins or loses, I always see some real improvement. We are definitely getting a lot better as a server with coordinating and sieging. We are doing extremely well maintaining a decent PPT this last day or 2 against yaks bend which is an insanely all time high pop server. If we can keep the recruitment drive up FA will be up there with the hard hitters. Keep up the good work guys.

Edited by IRSyKoX, 06 November 2012 - 01:19 AM.

[justiceabove]

With almost 200 players in transfers to FA now (late night, early morning playerbase mind you) you may just have a chance at this now FA. Looking forward to the challenge. Be ready for the Yak Attack and me suiciding my lvl 65 undergeared ass into all yall.

[IRSyKoX]

justiceabove, on 06 November 2012 - 01:57 AM, said:

With almost 200 players in transfers to FA now (late night, early morning playerbase mind you) you may just have a chance at this now FA. Looking forward to the challenge. Be ready for the Yak Attack and me suiciding my lvl 65 undergeared ass into all yall.

Are you sure about this? because all I have seen is 1 transfer of a 70 man guild, and 1 guild debating on transferring.

[Oxll]

Fort Aspenwood doesn't rely on server transfers. We have tried to attract an oceanic presence but we literally have none, and it is hard to get the ball rolling when the patience of these oceanic clans seem to be that of a 12 year old child with A.D.D.

So after 3 months now most FA just have adapted to having no oceanic presence. Still makes for one of the more fun battles when you have to reclaim the entire map every day. When I do get online these days the WvW front is never boring on FA and having such a wide variety of game play style from night and day it keeps things fresh. Want out manned buff for power leveling alts? Log on at midnight. Want epic siege battles with mass numbers, day time always provides.

[Ramanadjinn]

Oxll, on 06 November 2012 - 04:24 AM, said:

Fort Aspenwood doesn't rely on server transfers. We have tried to attract an oceanic presence but we literally have none, and it is hard to get the ball rolling when the patience of these oceanic clans seem to be that of a 12 year old child with A.D.D.

So after 3 months now most FA just have adapted to having no oceanic presence. Still makes for one of the more fun battles when you have to reclaim the entire map every day. When I do get online these days the WvW front is never boring on FA and having such a wide variety of game play style from night and day it keeps things fresh. Want out manned buff for power leveling alts? Log on at midnight. Want epic siege battles with mass numbers, day time always provides.

https://forum-en.gui...irst#post648007

they not only wish to move a hundred players to your server.  they are also trying (successfully by what i've heard) to move more with them.

looks like the appropriate analogy could be FA is SOR now.

[Bottoms_Up]

Ramanadjinn, on 06 November 2012 - 04:40 AM, said:

https://forum-en.gui...irst#post648007

they not only wish to move a hundred players to your server.

Make that 150 + others

I don't think it will make much difference to Yak's in the shortish term. In future weeks, if we win tier 4, we will possibly swap places with whoever loses tier 3. If we don't win tier 4, we will be getting good fights anyway (it seems like Darkhaven and Maguuma are both doing well but need more coverage). As for this match, hopefully it is far enough along that it won't affect the result so drastically that it sends us plummeting down the ranks like the SoR match did.

[ArlanKels]

Yeah looks to me like Tier1 Tier2 and Tier3 are going to be pretty much non-stop actiony doom.
Tier4 is going to have 1 guy stomping the others and rotating into Tier3 every so often.

I don't think Tier4 is going to be really well balanced for a bit.
Tier5 is looking like it's dead-even almost.

Edited by ArlanKels, 06 November 2012 - 02:35 PM.

[SaintThunderdome]

Ramanadjinn, on 06 November 2012 - 04:40 AM, said:

https://forum-en.gui...irst#post648007

they not only wish to move a hundred players to your server.  they are also trying (successfully by what i've heard) to move more with them.

Even if it wasn't 100, the fact that they're EU and considering a move is nice. It seems like any addition to our coverage in that time slot is a good addition.

[Bakedg00ds]

Totally agree with ya Thunder.  

BTW, any score updates please? Logged off last night around 3 am eastern and we had around 425 ppt and there was around 10% on YB's Fort's outer wall.  Wondering if that held through the night.

[Ceeps]

Eredon Terrace: 24,057 / +155
Yak's Bend: 203,001 / +210
Fort Aspenwood: 103,890 / +330

[funkybudda]

wow,

how quickly this has changed, given the fact that Yak's Bend have no Oceanic / Asia time coverage, I guess this is a win for FA with the help of the transfers.

[Bronxbob]

Yaks had way more Oceanic/Asia than FA before our transfers. Either that or you guys don't sleep.

This isn't a win for FA just yet, we'd have to maintain a 300+ average for the rest of the week to even catch up.

A 100k lead is pretty huge. Not insurmountable, just huge.

I think we are both lucky in some ways that ET's presence hasn't been bigger, because they have been awesome for the amount of people they have on. ET has some skilled people...its a shame they do not have the numbers anymore.

[Pip]

Yaks has a better late night coverage it seems, but FA definitely owns early morning now. (from a PST perspective).  However as Bronxbob said it's going to be difficult for them to make a complete comeback due to our current lead.  It will be very difficult for them to maintain a 300 point average for the rest of the week.

That said, it's clear their new transfers will really help to shore up one of their weaknesses.  If that 100-150 member EU guild makes the jump I don't think Yaks would be able to win in a rematch.  If that doesn't happen and the two servers stayed similar to where they are now it would probably be a really interesting / close match.

And this is nothing like the SoR transfer.  They got some good new coverage in the EU / Asian timeslot, but it's not like they had an influx of T1 dedicated guilds suddenly.  This will help make FA stronger, but it's not like they went from a T4 server to a T2 server overnight.  I'm sure they will struggle just as much as Yaks would in T3 even with their new transfers.

Edited by Pip, 06 November 2012 - 07:43 PM.

[funkybudda]

Bronxbob, on 06 November 2012 - 07:11 PM, said:

Yaks had way more Oceanic/Asia than FA before our transfers. Either that or you guys don't sleep.

This isn't a win for FA just yet, we'd have to maintain a 300+ average for the rest of the week to even catch up.

A 100k lead is pretty huge. Not insurmountable, just huge.

I think we are both lucky in some ways that ET's presence hasn't been bigger, because they have been awesome for the amount of people they have on. ET has some skilled people...its a shame they do not have the numbers anymore.

Yak's Bend lacks Oceanic / Asia players, this is how we lost last week's match against Crystal Desert. Realize this is a hole we needed to fill, one of our alliance leader made a recruiting thread here:
http://www.guildwars...c-asia-players/

[Bronxbob]

funkybudda, on 06 November 2012 - 08:57 PM, said:

Yak's Bend lacks Oceanic / Asia players, this is how we lost last week's match against Crystal Desert. Realize this is a hole we needed to fill, one of our alliance leader made a recruiting thread here:
http://www.guildwars...c-asia-players/

Then you guys pulled all nighters Friday and Sat..

Or more likely you had more oceanics/eu/asians than us.

The majority of NA servers need better oceanic/eu/asian presence, yours just needed it less than ours.

[chuckles79]

Glad to see FA making a play to get back into Tier 3 shape.  I'm really hoping we'll see some stability develop in the top 3 tiers so that the quality will go up in battles as it has in tier 1 and tier 2 the last few weeks.
It can/will get boring after a while, but that's what PvE, SPvP, special events, and even other games are for.

Glad to a good match forming up there!

[justiceabove]

Bronxbob, on 06 November 2012 - 07:11 PM, said:

Yaks had way more Oceanic/Asia than FA before our transfers. Either that or you guys don't sleep.

This isn't a win for FA just yet, we'd have to maintain a 300+ average for the rest of the week to even catch up.

A 100k lead is pretty huge. Not insurmountable, just huge.

I think we are both lucky in some ways that ET's presence hasn't been bigger, because they have been awesome for the amount of people they have on. ET has some skilled people...its a shame they do not have the numbers anymore.

We still don't have a large Oceanic presence. Literally, our guys do not sleep. Some of us are west coast and up till 2-3 AM in the morning our time. We see East coasters and mid-country people with us around the same time too. I get 4-5 hours sleep a night after running a raid shift for my guild in WvW and then it is off to work.

Edited by justiceabove, 06 November 2012 - 09:11 PM.

[Switchback]

It doesn't take a big advantage in off hours to really lock down a lot maps. Because without close to full coverage you can't keep defense on all the objectives in 4 maps. So a small influx or even moderate, as was the case here at the least, can make a big turn around.

[Drtoph]

It was great to wake up this morning and see that the map was turning green.  Keep it up FA, cannot wait to get off work and get in there with you all!  Any chance we could get another score update?

Edited by Drtoph, 06 November 2012 - 09:50 PM.

[Kaldir]

Yak's Bend:  206,149 (+125)
Fort Aspenwood:  113,704 (+515)
Eredon Terrace:  26,579 (+55)

Edited by Kalvir, 07 November 2012 - 12:31 AM.

[G L J]

Kalvir, on 06 November 2012 - 10:07 PM, said:

Yak's Bend:  106,149 (+125)
Fort Aspenwood:  113,704 (+515)
Eredon Terrace:  26,579 (+55)

I think you mean 206k for Yak's Bend?

edit:

Nevertheless, this change in the painting of the map is heartening. Perhaps Fort Aspenwood will be able to pull it together and make the match into a close game at the end.

Edited by G L J, 06 November 2012 - 10:20 PM.

[Reisa]

Bronxbob, on 06 November 2012 - 09:03 PM, said:

Then you guys pulled all nighters Friday and Sat..

Or more likely you had more oceanics/eu/asians than us.

The majority of NA servers need better oceanic/eu/asian presence, yours just needed it less than ours.

Honestly, I wish they'd fix the scoring system so there's less reliance on off-hour PvDooring.  And by less reliant, I mean it not being the only thing that matters.

But that's for another thread!

[Kaldir]

G L J, on 06 November 2012 - 10:18 PM, said:

I think you mean 206k for Yak's Bend?

edit:

Nevertheless, this change in the painting of the map is heartening. Perhaps Fort Aspenwood will be able to pull it together and make the match into a close game at the end.

Correct, apparently I'm dyslexic with numbers. Fixed.

[Ramanadjinn]

Bronxbob, on 06 November 2012 - 09:03 PM, said:

Then you guys pulled all nighters Friday and Sat..

The thing about Yaks Bend is we have several small/medium guilds that make up 100% of our WvW population.  And we all know each other because we talk on the Yaks Bend forums and across guilds on voice coms.  There are no mystery guilds floating around out there that aren't in the communication loop.  All those people that took the map Friday night are people i know. They are all, save one or two individuals, NA time zone and they did in fact stay up extremely late.  There was a lot of talk on our voice comms about how tired we were but we wanted to keep pushing you guys because we wanted so very badly to beat FA in points just that one night.

we never really thought we could win the whole week against you guys with our population.

we're a very tight knit server..  It really truly is the case that you guys got night capped in the night by the very same americans playing at night that were playing all through prime time.  we didn't log off until the job was done.

[justiceabove]

@ Raman, who are you in the Mumble? I dont recognize your name but you probably don't know who this is either. Drako Windspur with Badger Spirits here

[randall]

As far as I've seen there has been no increase in FA's Oceanic players so far this match.  We still field about 20 people per borderland map during Oceanic hours.  In fact, in YB BL we literally had zero people for a couple of hours (I was the only one in there when I checked in to look two times).   And in ET BL we had maybe 10 people.

Anyone saying FA has had some large influx of players during Oceanic time is either not playing during these hours or lying.

The major difference is that our Oceanic players are now moving between the maps we do have people on and retaking stuff non-stop all night.  We are trying to finish our shift with a decent Potential Point score for when we hand over to the US prime time players.  We've found in the past that if the Oceanic crew don't leave a decent point score our fairweather FA players all disappear.

The truth is, FA has more than it's share of fairweather players and unless the potential points are reasonably high a large percentage of our players just disappear for the week.