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#1 VKatt

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 03:57 PM

If this is not earth, and its suppose to be another world.

Why do they have halloween, but not Christmas?  Why not rename halloween something else as well?

Also no Thanksgiving either.

Not sure why they have one holiday, but not another.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 04:02 PM

View PostVKatt, on 03 November 2012 - 03:57 PM, said:

If this is not earth, and its suppose to be another world.

Why do they have halloween, but not Christmas?  Why not rename halloween something else as well?

Also no Thanksgiving either.

Not sure why they have one holiday, but not another.

Because they don't want well known christian holidays?

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 04:04 PM

so pagan holidays are more acceptable than christian?

i mean, its religious either way. . .

and thanksgiving isnt a christian holiday, its an American holiday.

Edited by Rickter, 03 November 2012 - 04:04 PM.


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Posted 03 November 2012 - 04:05 PM

View PostRickter, on 03 November 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

so pagan holidays are more acceptable than christian?

i mean, its religious either way. . .

and thanksgiving isnt a christian holiday, its an American holiday.

If they have christian holidays they ought to have muslim, jewish, buddish and hindu holidays as well.
That would mean we would have contant holidays more or less.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 04:09 PM

View PostLordkrall, on 03 November 2012 - 04:05 PM, said:

If they have christian holidays they ought to have muslim, jewish, buddish and hindu holidays as well.
That would mean we would have contant holidays more or less.

im not arguing that christian holidays are more "important", i was responding to your post about not wanting specifically christian holidays in the game.

religion is religion, pagan, christian, muslim, buddhist - Whatever.

i think we need to look beyond religious motives behind a holiday and just stick to, this is a game and its a different world and they just want to make content that compliments real world celebrations.

seriously, we start talking about religion and the moderators will drop fiery death upon this thread.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 04:12 PM

Have you even read about wintersday in gw1 wiki or anything? http://wiki.guildwar...wiki/Wintersday

Oh god more whining about holiday. >.>

Edited by Azure Skye, 03 November 2012 - 04:13 PM.


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Posted 03 November 2012 - 04:14 PM

View PostVKatt, on 03 November 2012 - 03:57 PM, said:

If this is not earth, and its suppose to be another world.

Why do they have halloween, but not Christmas?  Why not rename halloween something else as well?

Also no Thanksgiving either.

Not sure why they have one holiday, but not another.

If you read up on the Lore of Guild Wars the human race celebrates a holiday at X-Mas time. It has to do with the gods the humans worship.
Also from a video game stand point they always have holidays in games( MMO ) that match real life ones, Well atleast the big holidays.

Sorry but is your post a troll?

View PostAzure Skye, on 03 November 2012 - 04:12 PM, said:

Have you even read about wintersday in gw1 wiki or anything? http://wiki.guildwar...wiki/Wintersday

Oh god more whining about holiday. >.>

The OP must be an idiot...lol

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 04:15 PM

I think the problem is that it is not called Christmas, while Halloween is called Halloween.

But I am quite sure that does have to do with religion and the fact that they don't want direct RL religious references.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 04:15 PM

In GW1 there was an event near the end of November when US thanksgiving is celebrated.  People that played GW1 probably remember pumpkin pie and apple cider drops.  It was never anything huge since it's not an international holiday, but I'm guessing they will do a little something in GW2 as well.

Not touching the whole religious holiday bit.  "It's a trap!" is being shouted in the back of my mind.  :unsure:

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 04:18 PM

View PostLordkrall, on 03 November 2012 - 04:15 PM, said:

I think the problem is that it is not called Christmas, while Halloween is called Halloween.

But I am quite sure that does have to do with religion and the fact that they don't want direct RL religious references.
Plus religon might give you infaction in here if peoples talks about it. It mights hurt peoples feelings about it. Its one of the rules of the forum. >.<
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Posted 03 November 2012 - 04:26 PM

Do NPC people ingame refer to Halloween as Halloween or do they tend to avoid the actual word?

Never paid that much attention really as I don't see why it matters much. The Halloween we see ingame is the modern social festival anyway with not much of the original religious practice there

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 04:28 PM

I thought they called it Mad King Thorn day in Tyria.

Then again, I'm not much of a lore junkie, so I wouldn't know for sure.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 04:28 PM

It's Holler...Hollow... It's Candy Day!

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 04:29 PM

Does it really even matter?

Be happy it is free content.

Edited by karekiz, 03 November 2012 - 04:31 PM.


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Posted 03 November 2012 - 04:34 PM

Most nations/religions celebrate something at the beginning of winter no matter what, wether it be Christmas, Hannukah(sorry if mispelled), Winter soldtice, etc.  So Normally MMO winter holidays just embrace the celebrations that occur rather than a specific Holiday, and also can include New Years.

Halloween is a much more commercial holiday, media created, such as Valentines day, with very little tie to the original meaning behind it, and there aren't different types of celebration around Halloween, such as it being an important date for a religious figure, so it doesn't really borderline interfer with siding with a certain nation/religion nearly as much.

Christmas, whilst also being turned into a commercial holiday, still represents a single certain religion rather than all, being "Christs Birthday".

But basically nearly every civilization has something for the beginning of winter, tracing back even to praying for mild winters to save crops etc, as well as how it is and has been pointed out in lore to be in correlation with the Tyrian Gods, representing a winter festivity in general.

You will also not likely see heavily themed Thanksgiving events due to it being specific to Americans only, and the playerbase is not strictly American, you may seem tidbits here and there, but nothing all-out(likely), probably the same for Easter, you may see a Spring Festivity.

It also related directly to Summer Solstice, which you'll likely see something in the beginning of Summer.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 04:35 PM

View Postkarekiz, on 03 November 2012 - 04:29 PM, said:

Does it really even matter?

Be happy it is free content.

No it doesnt but people love to QQ about stuff :D

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 04:36 PM

View Postkarekiz, on 03 November 2012 - 04:29 PM, said:

Does it really even matter?

Be happy it is free content.
To warrant a thread, yea, to the op. We still have a whole year to go through and they are taking suggestions too. If he wants to them to do other holidays then the official forum is the way to go. https://forum-en.gui...ame/suggestions or even in this forum has suggestions  http://www.guildwars...mordus-visions/ . He is complaining for complaining sakes.

Edited by Azure Skye, 03 November 2012 - 04:41 PM.


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Posted 03 November 2012 - 04:38 PM

I thought Thanksgiving was invented by the Turkey Mafia to cover up the real reason why all those turkeys had died under suspicious circumstances and get rid of the corpses while they were at it.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 05:05 PM

View PostStrawberry Nubcake, on 03 November 2012 - 04:28 PM, said:

It's Holler...Hollow... It's Candy Day!

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The NPC children in this game are so delightful. I'm totally a GW2 Pedo: I just have to follow them around and listen to all the adorable things they say.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 05:17 PM

It doesn't matter which holidays they do or don't let the players celebrate as long as they allow the players to enjoy the game play all year long.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 05:32 PM

Well I don't give a damn if they call it snow with trees day but they better put some decorations according to the celebration itself, just like they did with halloween and the dumb pumpkins.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 05:52 PM

View PostRickter, on 03 November 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

so pagan holidays are more acceptable than christian?

i mean, its religious either way. . .

and thanksgiving isnt a christian holiday, its an American holiday.

halloween as practiced today, and represented in the game, is more of a mockery of the pegan holiday then a celebration of it. - dressing  children up and taking them out at night to 'trick or treat" was a christen way of identifying, and isolating pegans who practiced the holiday and then vandalizing their homes. if it was a celibration of the pegan holiday, then everyone would stay inside and respectively leave the dead to walk the earth freely.

christmas, while even more comercial then halloween, still is celibrated as jesus' B-day.  while the way it is celibrated has adapted to included pegan rituals (decorating the house with tree's and other evergreens), stana, and presants - the message of it is unchanged.

furthermore, to my knowledge, no other religion celibrates a holiday at the same time as halloween - but many do celibrate one at the same times as christmas.

Edited by WildmouseX, 03 November 2012 - 05:55 PM.


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Posted 03 November 2012 - 06:04 PM

Here's the main thing: Even though it is an alternate world, it doesn't mean that there can't be things that we have here on Earth. Example: There are humans, pigs, crows, rabbits, metals, herbs and foods etc. Sometimes it's okay to have the same things and not others as long as the lore for it makes sense.

On the actual arguement: Halloween and Christmas (Wintersday) are generally universal holidays around the world (not saying everwhere celebrates it). My thanksgiving was last month because I'm Canadian, wouldn't make sense to have a holiday in GW2 for just the U.S.

Also as noted: "Christ"mas, and "thanking god" while are entirely subjects on their own which we'll keep out of the forums, are also irrelevant to GW2 since many races have their own religions (6 gods, spirits of the wild, eternal alchemy, the dream, and Charr are atheists/believe in strength) which is why having a holiday for religion wouldn't make sense because you have more than one race to please.

#24 VKatt

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 11:45 PM

View PostRickter, on 03 November 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

so pagan holidays are more acceptable than christian?

i mean, its religious either way. . .

and thanksgiving isnt a christian holiday, its an American holiday.

This is what I mean.. I just wanted to ask why one and not the other..

View PostShadowrose, on 03 November 2012 - 05:32 PM, said:

Well I don't give a damn if they call it snow with trees day but they better put some decorations according to the celebration itself, just like they did with halloween and the dumb pumpkins.

Yes.. Shadowrose!  I agree they better ::smile::


View PostOutt, on 03 November 2012 - 04:34 PM, said:

So Normally MMO winter holidays just embrace the celebrations that occur rather than a specific Holiday, and also can include New Years.

Thank you Outt, this makes sense.

View PostAzure Skye, on 03 November 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

We still have a whole year to go through and they are taking suggestions too

I will do just that..Thanx



Thanx for all the replies.

Edited by VKatt, 03 November 2012 - 11:52 PM.


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Posted 04 November 2012 - 02:57 AM

Welll..... Halloween is technically "Mad King's Day" and Christmas is "Wintersday". Been like that since GW1 and I don't see why they would change it considering it IS all based on the same lore.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Event

Halloween and Christmas are pretty much the major holidays and they all happen around the same time. Thanksgiving started as american and only really happens around that time for americans.

Edited by Valkaire, 04 November 2012 - 03:02 AM.


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Posted 04 November 2012 - 03:02 AM

Because they didn't.

Why orrian steake frittes and not Heathylians.
Why Orr and not Cranxor?

It's just a name.  What is this I don't even.
Fun while it lasted.  I guess.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 03:08 AM

This appears that it will inevitably turn into a religious debate, considering that the majority of holidays are based on religion in some way. Seeing as religious discussion is not allowed on the forums, I'll be closing this.

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