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#1 Noodica

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 07:04 AM

This is just a topic about the Northern Shiverpeaks.
For about the last 4-5 weeks, we have really fallen low and we just continue to drop. (We've lost like 5 times in a row.)
I really want to know whats happening and why we have been doing so horrible lately. Is there anything i'm not aware of or something? Well i just wanna build the Shiverpeaks back to a stable point again so fellow people of the server please contribute to this discussion and i hope some of you have some sweet ideas to bring us back to how we were!
Thanks.

Also! Any Oceanic/Asians/European players & guilds are welcome to the server!

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#2 MikeSr

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 08:42 AM

Your server was good at launch. I am surprised how it ended up. Anyone knows what happened?

#3 areainvalid

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 08:57 AM

View PostMikeSr, on 05 November 2012 - 08:42 AM, said:

Your server was good at launch. I am surprised how it ended up. Anyone knows what happened?
Who doesn't know what happened? *cough* AA *cough*
As for NS, i've been tracking your server and though you havent won in a while you've competed very well in a lot of those losses. In fact werent you part of both those epic close matches decided by 1-2k points? That being said the last 2 weeks from NS have been fairly underwhelming. Might be to do with the fact the other servers are improving and NS is lagging behind in organization and tactics? Im just speculating though.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 12:36 PM

Your server has suffered from a mass exodus of WvW players to the free transfer system like Dragonbrand, Eredon Terrace, Henge of Denravi et al.

You don't get more points per tick from taking and holding territory against huge numbers of organized human opponents than you do against doors and npcs, so WvW success right now is predicated on having population and timezone coverage above all else. Your server just happens to be one of the ones that had population and timezone coverage and then lost it. Some servers like Kaineng and Borlis Pass never really had it in the first place.

Incidentally we got a small number of transfers from Borlis Pass and some of those guys are really incredible players. I guess its because they face overwhelming odds all the time and have learned to be super creative and resourceful.

Edited by Farron, 05 November 2012 - 12:38 PM.


#5 Noodica

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 01:34 PM

Both of you had some really good points!
Hopefully NS will rise to power at its best again!

#6 GrandmaFunk

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 03:44 PM

We don't have much of an overnight presence, we don't have a unified server-wide alliance coordinating things and I get the impression that most of our population is PVE-focused.

That being said, I think we're a slow burn and that more ppl will start taking part of WvW and also get better at it so I'm not really in despair at our low ranking. It's not like win/lose or ranking have any real impact so I'm fine just playing for fun and trying to have close matches.

#7 HighschoolFootballCoach

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 10:36 PM

Honestly there are multiple reasons we have been doing bad. First we've lost a lot of WvW focused players since that close match with SoR and YB. Another problem of ours is we have a lot of fairweather players who give up way to easy. There's been times late at night where if we had just had 30-40 people on we could have held enough points throughout the night to keep us in range of first. There is this many and probably more sitting in Lion's Arch during this time frame advertising for dungeon runs, recruiting for <insert guild name> that is WvW focused and has <insert number that is at least 10X more than they actually have> members, arguing politics, etc.

Also some of the good commanders are no longer playing. I still see guilds like [FINE], [Os], and [ELF] but I have yet to see the commanders that made them high quality. All I've been seeing on the maps are commanders who lead circle raids. Last night we had a commander leading a zerg into Sorrow's Furnace (who is in third place) territory. While doing this, said commander and their zerg were completely ignoring the EmBay zerg that was hitting our towers close to spawn and hunting the small groups of us who were moving together. Circle raiding is an amateur move on our part and we will always be a low tier amateur server if we continue to do this.

View PostGrandmaFunk, on 05 November 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

We don't have much of an overnight presence, we don't have a unified server-wide alliance coordinating things and I get the impression that most of our population is PVE-focused.

That being said, I think we're a slow burn and that more ppl will start taking part of WvW and also get better at it so I'm not really in despair at our low ranking. It's not like win/lose or ranking have any real impact so I'm fine just playing for fun and trying to have close matches.

There is an alliance, they just don't do a great job of letting everyone know about it.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 11:30 PM

View PostGrandmaFunk, on 05 November 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

We don't have much of an overnight presence, we don't have a unified server-wide alliance coordinating things and I get the impression that most of our population is PVE-focused.

That being said, I think we're a slow burn and that more ppl will start taking part of WvW and also get better at it so I'm not really in despair at our low ranking. It's not like win/lose or ranking have any real impact so I'm fine just playing for fun and trying to have close matches.

As mentioned in the post above this one a lot of ppl have taken a break from WvW after those two close matches where ppl played all week and some people are just getting tired of the game in general.. That being said there is a server-wide alliance with pretty much every major WvW guild in it called The Northern Shiverpeaks Council or [NSC] for short.  There used to be people spamming about it in LA but that was when it was first starting but if your guild is not a part of it and wants to be you can message almost any commander leading troops and they can point you in the correct direction or message Godrick from [TBH] to get more info.  All guilds are welcomed regardless of size/timezone/etc

Edited by Bobz, 05 November 2012 - 11:31 PM.


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Posted 06 November 2012 - 04:52 AM

To answer the question "How can Northern Shiverpeaks recover", I'll give my honest opinion. It will take a group of guilds coming together and heading your server and leading by example. People on NSP need to show up for WvW whether they are in first place or last. It's one thing to say "It's not all about winning", but it's another thing to show it. Lots of servers are running into this same problem. Everyone participates when you're ahead in points in WvW, nobody shows up when your down 30k pts after the first night. Most importantly though, time will heal your server. Once everyone is done moving around and server jumping, you can start to add to the foundation of your server. Another way to improve your numbers in WvW is to figure out a way to get your PvE players into WvW. Even if it's for 1 night, it's better than none. What we like to do in PainTrain is have a "All Call" on Friday night at WvW reset and we do WvW as a guild. PvErs, sPvP and WvW players alike game together and have fun. If you can get more guilds to do something like this or better, you'll see a difference in your WvW attendance. Remember, it's the PvE gamers (in my opinion) that make the difference in numbers in WvW. The hardcore WvW guilds and players will be there no matter what the score is. Win over the PvE players and you will see good results. Last but not least, stay classy. Guilds that look to transfer to other servers look at more than just how many times you win/lose. They also take in consideration your reputation as a server and your community as a whole.

NSP is a great server. I know this because my guild and I at one point in time called NSP our home. Unfortunately, we left behind some very good friends and great gamers when we decided to leave the Ascension Alliance. Northern Shiverpeaks will be right back in the thick of things before it's all said and done. I'm sure of it. As long as there are dedicated players and guilds on this server, other guilds and good players will consider this server as a future home.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 06:16 AM

Im from Eredon Terrace and the same thing happened to us that happened to you, you were AA'ed. once they saw they couldnt win with the server they were on, they deserted you the same way they deserted us, then all the coat tailers ran for the hills. as far as im concerned good ridance but since we were way up in the rankings our nose dive has been quite long and painful. it will be for a few more weeks before we find our home at the bottom but since then i have taken a new outlook on WvW, i dont care about the score or what rank we are or how badly we are getting destroyed i just do it for fun, attack what we can, practice new tactics and look for off the cuff ways to tick off our enemies. its so much more fun and relaxed when you dont worry about off peak coverage and stressing over what rank you are. just fun to ambush zergs and just be a pita.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 04:39 PM

View Postjadjaygaming, on 06 November 2012 - 06:16 AM, said:

i just do it for fun, attack what we can, practice new tactics and look for off the cuff ways to tick off our enemies. its so much more fun and relaxed when you dont worry about off peak coverage and stressing over what rank you are. just fun to ambush zergs and just be a pita.
This this this. All day this. Quoting you because I want to give you big enthusiastic agreeable high-fives.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 12:46 PM

View PostSaintThunderdome, on 06 November 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

This this this. All day this. Quoting you because I want to give you big enthusiastic agreeable high-fives.

I like your attitude guyz, if you ever change server (most likely you wont cuz your a no-quitter typ) but if you do wanna switch come to Desolation EU server we are all like that and i mean 99% of the server.....that is why we are number 1 there(the french knows this the best).
We are so hard to kill and if we get killed we just respawn and do it all over again hehe.
We dont care if we are 3rd place or 2nd place we keep having the same spirit for blood/battle.
Our Price is that after this week we will be Number 1 of whole EU :)

/Salute

Edited by Dalure, 07 November 2012 - 12:53 PM.


#13 rastazi

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 01:02 PM

You've also lost a lot of 3-sided coinflips to the free transfer system. One server wins each matchup and a surge of players join that server. Two servers lose and the fairweather players leave with them. As you move down, you give yourself a 1/3 shot of being that lucky server that trends up and gets players; however, 2/3 of the time you lose and you continue to move down. You can see this when looking at how the matchups proceed -- Servers that are trending downward get much weaker week-to-week while servers that trend upward continue to get stronger.

The old transfer system basically exacerbated the swings that occur as you move up and down. Maybe the 7-day system will change things but I'm not sure.

#14 Dalure

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 01:20 PM

For the other servers getting hit with guilds leaving, it is a sad thing.
Hopefully with the 7 days this will change like my fellow GW2 mate rastazi stated above.
But i must say for Desolation our alliance (several) we stay loyal to this server from the day that we were T4 up to where we are now T1 ;)

#15 GrandmaFunk

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 02:35 PM

it's kind of douchy to come into a thread where ppl are trying to figure out how to improve their server's performance and then try to poach them for your own server.

#16 Noodica

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 02:09 PM

View PostGrandmaFunk, on 07 November 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:

it's kind of douchy to come into a thread where ppl are trying to figure out how to improve their server's performance and then try to poach them for your own server.
So true dude.. i wanted people too actually help us not try and persuade me to join their server..
No matter how bad things get for Northern Shiverpeaks, i think i'll never leave it! :)

#17 Pyraeus

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 04:18 AM

NSP were good when we fought them a 6 weeks ago :/ and they were good sports, we had a good match. hope to see NSP back up since they went down so much (hopefully they will skyrocket back up like we did). SF and GoM were easy for us, because we were sent down too far. hopefully you will get your turn to win.
GL NSP.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 01:46 PM

I think the thread title should of gone like this,"How can Northern Shiverpeaks,Dragonbrand, Eredon Terrace, Henge of Denravi recover." but i didnt make the thread.  >.<

Edited by Azure Skye, 10 November 2012 - 01:47 PM.


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Posted 10 November 2012 - 02:14 PM

View PostAzure Skye, on 10 November 2012 - 01:46 PM, said:

I think the thread title should of gone like this,"How can Northern Shiverpeaks,Dragonbrand, Eredon Terrace, Henge of Denravi recover." but i didnt make the thread.  >.<

I'll use my mind powers and tell you the future.

How will they recover ?  

They won't.

They'll be condensed into one server.  This will be happening sooner then you think.  They're providing refer a friend to bring people into the game.  That tells me revenues aren't quite at the level they like.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 07:41 AM

View PostAzure Skye, on 10 November 2012 - 01:46 PM, said:

I think the thread title should of gone like this,"How can Northern Shiverpeaks,Dragonbrand, Eredon Terrace, Henge of Denravi recover." but i didnt make the thread.  >.<
Well hey, Dragonbrand are owning us in WvW atm ><!

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 11:49 AM

It's generally a population problem.

Since I transferred from IoJ, the problem seems to be population. We have 3 games, patched together as 1.
PvE, sPvP and WvWvW.
Each entity acts within itself, and thus the population is simply divided.
There are about 12 sPvP rooms atm, thats 160 to 180 players.

PvE, well, can't say much except seeing about 5 or so unique dungeon grp shoutouts. And many more just standing around. Might be playing the market, might be just afk or chatting.

WvWvW is quite bad, as there are 3 individual zones with no connection and small group of 20 people running 3 maps.

It's a great server no doubt, less population means less zergs, especially the Orr runs, but it also discourages many with the new changes implemented. WvWvW is expensive, and with a small core pvp group it means more money spentby less people.

When we try to farm gold in PvE, less zergs, and thus farming events goes slower. It doesn't help Anet decides to buff the events, to a point where 2 manning and 3 manning it becomes difficult.

The problem: Population.
The solution: Population.

I have seen about 9 from my list and 2 more of my close friends(gaming since launch Warhammer days) practically drop off. The repetitive nature of WvW and poor quality PvE with no incentive/stagnant progression gameplay is not helping retain the interests.

There needs to be some proper incentive to gather the casuals into WvWvW. For example, they could shut down EB, and just activate the BLs. Holding BLs and fighting other BL pois could generate points. After a small threshold of points the server which gets the threshold first gets into EB and then starts capping the zone, fighting neutral NPCs. Also whoever participates get some random rare with SM giving out random exotics.

I don't know, the core design of GW2 is killing itself. Or the bandaid solution is like Imp said:

View PostImpmon, on 10 November 2012 - 02:14 PM, said:

I'll use my mind powers and tell you the future.

How will they recover ?  

They won't.

They'll be condensed into one server.  This will be happening sooner then you think.  They're providing refer a friend to bring people into the game.  That tells me revenues aren't quite at the level they like.


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Posted 13 November 2012 - 01:02 PM

View PostNoodica, on 13 November 2012 - 07:41 AM, said:

Well hey, Dragonbrand are owning us in WvW atm ><!
Yea, after from being at 2nd and 3rd tier. After being gutted from Blackgate and SoS. We bottomed out.

Edited by Azure Skye, 13 November 2012 - 01:02 PM.


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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:12 AM

Oceanic timings is extremely bad now. I can go out and find literally 0 people and we're PvDooring.
I know gwguru does not condone petitions but something needs to be done seriously.
PvE isn't fairing that well either with Grenth and Melandru having long streches of times of being contested. I played straight from Saturday till Wednesday, and we got Grenth back like 3 or 4 times. In between I did sleep but not for long.
Melandru is about the same. Cathedral was bad as well. ML is a a complete dead zone with pockets of 3 or 4 people running around.

Anyone from NSP please check with your guilds and spread the word on the amount of active players logging in at least once every 2 days? If you can get the timezones it'd be fantastic.

If we can get some sort of idea of the population we could at least get merged, or ask Anet to merge us with another server while moving accounts with more than 30 days of inactivity to be consolidated into another server.

There is no guesting feature, I can't seem to run spvp with friends from other servers, and WvW is mostly dead in Oceanics timezones. Moving to a more populated Oceanic server is not really a solution, I'm in a guild with about 10 friends, with a few more scattered on others who can't move over due to the server showing full most of the time.

P.S : I wouldn't complain if Footsie would stay dead while I farmed cannon though. They made it that she will auto revive after a set time. Lol.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:01 AM

Massive comeback this week NSP, looks like you're back in the game :)
Goodluck and work your way back up, maybe with luck, we'll play you again, last time we fought it was great. 206k - 205k

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 11:28 PM

It's funny reading this after you ate your Wheaties this week.  Looking good guys!

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:40 PM

I have a feeling we'll be yo-yo-ing between T6 and T5.

I get the feeling that the servers that should really be in T5 keep rotating up and down between 6 and 4 because of how the ranking works.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 11:56 PM

We really did recover this week!
Great job NSP! Lets hope we can maintain it!

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 08:40 AM

I still don't understand why people care about score and rankings. Medium/low tiers are superior in every possible way: less zergs, less queues.
As long as there are 1-2 balanced maps, it's fine for me. The score in this game is so meaningless it's not even funny.

To answer the OP: all the major servers found some night coverage. Far Shiverpeaks didn't, and it's all that matters in the current state of WvW.
By reading some replies in this thread, it almost seems like a skill-related issue. It's not. It's all about numbers and coverage.

The moment Far Shiverpeaks will rise in the top tiers again is the moment I'll leave the server.
I played this week on Desolation (for Baltha) and I can't wait to come back to Shiverpeaks. Top tiers are like playing month one all over again: French garbage everywhere, spawncamping, nightcapping. Absolytely atrocious.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 02:35 PM

far shiverpeaks != northern shiverpeaks.

also, your ethnic insults are not appreciated.

Edited by GrandmaFunk, 26 November 2012 - 02:35 PM.






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