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#1 Shaddara

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 04:05 PM

As everyone knows "Dungeon's token" are account bound but how these token are obtained?
The answers is easy, you get the tokens when you kill the last boss.

If 4 people choose to leave the party you got theoretically 4 free spot. And what about placing a price to these spots?

This is how i want to make money for my legendary (rainbows =D).

The price up to now are something 1g-3g depending on the dungeon, so if you want to BUY tokens from me please send me a Pivate Message (PM) and i will let you try.

Please don't make rage about this post is just an idea...

#2 d_fens

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 04:27 PM

Lol, "running ATFH 1k" all over again? Please, don't...

#3 Crantson

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 05:16 PM

hmmmm

get 5 players together and do the dungeon.  4 leave just before the final boss.  Charge 1.25g for each new person entering at the last moment.  Split the proceeds with your 4 buddies - each gets 1g plus everthing from mobs and chests through the dungeon without a bunch of useless tokens clogging up inventory.  You do lose out on the dungeon end cash reward as well as the tokens but its a lot less than the 1 g anyway.   I'm thinking I like this idea very much and I wish you the best in your business endevour.

Edited by Crantson, 05 November 2012 - 05:19 PM.


#4 Gilles VI

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 05:20 PM

View PostCrantson, on 05 November 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

hmmmm

get 5 players together and do the dungeon.  4 leave just before the final boss.  Charge 1.25g for each new person entering at the last moment.  Split the proceeds with your 4 buddies - each gets 1g plus everthing from mobs and chests through the dungeon without a bunch of useless tokens clogging up inventory.  You do lose out on the dungeon end cash reward as well as the tokens but its a lot less than the 1 g anyway.   I'm thinking I like this idea very much .  but sadly, i bet ANet nerfs it in a heart beat

Sadly?
What anout the prestige of all the dungeon armors going down the drain? And don't mention the CoF armor, most people got it before nerf and alot of people also know it's worth nothing.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 05:29 PM

Some Dungeon path are clearable in 2-3 people so you can gain more money ^_^ for example TA path up

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 05:39 PM

like back in gw1 :P but there you gave someone the money for soloing the whole dungeon.
I think its a really good idea because there are a lot of pleople not intrested in these dungeons at all but they like the armor.
So its just a nice way to give dungeon lovers a way to make more money and it doesn't hurt Anet at all.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 05:40 PM

I'm smelling a troll.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 05:42 PM

For people to take you on your offer the "doing" of dungeons would need to be a hard chore they need to do once, maybe twice and they would much rather pay some one else then go to all that effort of learning how to play said dungeon etc... One set of armor is doing a dungeon 20 times of 3 routs/day - that means running each rout 6-7 times. They would be able to do it blind after the third go, know how to and find it easy... doing the dungeon would generate quite a lot of moneys, finding groups on high pop servers isnt a problem, guilds do dungeon runs as well.

Market would be maginal at best, you need to find at least two people per run to make it work and then to be able to kill the boss with what ever ammount of people u have. There is no "protection" from people who do not pay you and this is not really against the rules to not pay you either... so... you will get both few to sign up as well as even fewer paying afterwards you are willcome to try but untill GW2 matures to a point where people can get easy money elsewhere and just do not care for the dungeon part I dont think it will work.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 07:12 PM

Dungeons aren't that hard and can give around 0.7-1g per run. I don't know if people would pay just for the tokens at the end unless they are already stinking rich.

Meh good luck I guess.

Edit: might be interesting for the rewards on the supposedly huge end-game dungeon though coming soon.

Edited by Di-Dorval, 05 November 2012 - 07:14 PM.


#10 Wipp

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 07:14 PM

Who the hell needs anykind of help to finish a dungeon in this game ? Everything is already so easy.. (arah isnt so easy, but you can skip everything and go into the last boss.)

Edited by Wipp, 05 November 2012 - 07:16 PM.


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Posted 05 November 2012 - 07:16 PM

View PostGilles VI, on 05 November 2012 - 05:20 PM, said:

Sadly?
What anout the prestige of all the dungeon armors going down the drain? And don't mention the CoF armor, most people got it before nerf and alot of people also know it's worth nothing.

I am gonna use CoF gear for my alt, so he can transmute Cultural armour on em :3

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 07:39 PM

smells like a scam to me.

dungeons are easy enough at this point that as long as 1 person in the group has a general idea what is going on, you will be done in ~30 minutes (exception is arah ofc.)  and you make money on the run instead of losing money on getting it ran.  no reason to do this.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 07:50 PM

View Postmatsif, on 05 November 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

smells like a scam to me.

dungeons are easy enough at this point that as long as 1 person in the group has a general idea what is going on, you will be done in ~30 minutes (exception is arah ofc.)  and you make money on the run instead of losing money on getting it ran.  no reason to do this.
It's not a "scam" unless someone has been deceived  overpriced... maybe, but that's how they gain profit. They put the offer up on the table and if people buy into it and it works out for both parties, there is no scam involved. Sure, it may not take that long to complete a dungeon and it may be more "worthwhile" to you yourself to just complete it quickly with a good group. But, some people would gladly pay for the service of others completing to for them. This happened in Guild Wars and I have been waiting until someone figured out a reasonable way to do it in Guild Wars 2.

Also take into consideration, say they're charging 1 gold for the run, the end reward is 25 silver, so in reality you're spending 75 silver for the run. Just something to think about.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 07:53 PM

View Postkozeljko, on 05 November 2012 - 07:16 PM, said:

I am gonna use CoF gear for my alt, so he can transmute Cultural armour on em :3

Why not just craft armor then? :)
Way easier to get + you can get the exact stats you would want then.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 08:03 PM

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Everything is already so easy.. (arah isnt so easy, but you can skip everything and go into the last boss.)

Everything is easy! Except the hard stuff, but I'll skip it!

Waaah, everything is so easy, why isn't there anything difficult?


Modern gamers truly are a bad joke. No wonder we need tutorials for braindead people in most games nowadays.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 08:04 PM

You get teleported out a while after you've killed the boss. Don't know if it happens if everyone stays in the dungeon, but if someone leaves/relogs it starts bumping people out. If this would work everyone would have limitless money/gear..

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 08:07 PM

View PostGilles VI, on 05 November 2012 - 07:53 PM, said:

Why not just craft armor then? :)
Way easier to get + you can get the exact stats you would want then.

Did the dungeons for daily moneyz and fun :3 Guildies love(d) to do CoF runs.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 08:09 PM

View Postkozeljko, on 05 November 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

Did the dungeons for daily moneyz and fun :3 Guildies love(d) to do CoF runs.

Same here but I still think it's a waste do buy the armor and then transmutate cultural over it!
Like I just used all my CoF tokens to buy full set for my alt: a lvl20 warrior. :)

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 08:11 PM

View PostAl Shamari, on 05 November 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

It's not a "scam" unless someone has been deceived  overpriced... maybe, but that's how they gain profit. They put the offer up on the table and if people buy into it and it works out for both parties, there is no scam involved. Sure, it may not take that long to complete a dungeon and it may be more "worthwhile" to you yourself to just complete it quickly with a good group. But, some people would gladly pay for the service of others completing to for them. This happened in Guild Wars and I have been waiting until someone figured out a reasonable way to do it in Guild Wars 2.

Also take into consideration, say they're charging 1 gold for the run, the end reward is 25 silver, so in reality you're spending 75 silver for the run. Just something to think about.

there is no proof it works.  OP even says its "an idea" at the end of the post.  until there is proof that its not just a "send me a PM to try" I'm allowed to make any conclusion I want about it, therefore I believe it to be a scam.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 08:12 PM

View PostPrincess Fatora, on 05 November 2012 - 08:03 PM, said:

Everything is easy! Except the hard stuff, but I'll skip it!

Waaah, everything is so easy, why isn't there anything difficult?


Modern gamers truly are a bad joke. No wonder we need tutorials for braindead people in most games nowadays.

Wow, 15~30 min killing trash mob, isnt hard just boring as hell.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 08:28 PM

View Postmatsif, on 05 November 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

there is no proof it works.  OP even says its "an idea" at the end of the post.  until there is proof that its not just a "send me a PM to try" I'm allowed to make any conclusion I want about it, therefore I believe it to be a scam.
You seem a little tense, I know a good massage therapist.

Anyways, yes you're allowed to make any conclusion you want, sure go right ahead. That's 100% fine. I just don't believe this guy is trying to scam anyone. I doubt he's going to try this on the public and charge them before knowing himself if it works fluidly. He's going to do it wish some friends. As you said, they're saying themselves it's just an idea in the works and it needs refining - as with all business proposals in the works.

Sure, I may personally think this guy is overcharging for a service. But, outright coming to the conclusion that he's trying to scam someone off the bat? Nah.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 08:52 PM

View PostXSevSpreeX, on 05 November 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:

I'm smelling a troll.


Me too since the only Dungeons with real Prestige value (b/c they're just that difficult) are COE & Arah.   And most players who have more money than skill, still won't be able to defeat Subject Alpha in the final round so COE's out of the question leaving only Path3 of Arah since all other paths also have a final Boss that most "baddies" can't handle.

And even Path3 of Arah simply isn't commensurate with 1g per Speed Runner on pure effort (and no tokens).

Edited by ilr, 05 November 2012 - 10:00 PM.


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Posted 05 November 2012 - 09:21 PM

People thinking this is a scam really aren't thinkig this through.  If he invites 4 people they can just finish the dungeon without him and not pay him.  The only person who can be scammed is himself.
Fun while it lasted.  I guess.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 09:27 PM

View PostRabidusIncendia, on 05 November 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

People thinking this is a scam really aren't thinkig this through.  If he invites 4 people they can just finish the dungeon without him and not pay him.  The only person who can be scammed is himself.
While that is a possible scenario, it's all possible that he make them pay before inviting them to the group. Or, even pay simply half. He could then log out, etc.

Scams can easily be done both ways in almost any case.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 12:42 AM

GW1 has a history of services such as this. The most well known/used was the Droknar's Forge run down Lornar's Pass.

There is no reason to call this a scam. Yes, the person running the service COULD scam a player with this. It happened on the Droks runs. It is also possible for the runee to scam the runner. This also happened in the Droks runs.

The Droks runs worked because there was a large market for getting max armor early. Is there really a market for this though?

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 04:10 AM

View Postilr, on 05 November 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

Me too since the only Dungeons with real Prestige value (b/c they're just that difficult) are COE & Arah.   And most players who have more money than skill, still won't be able to defeat Subject Alpha in the final round so COE's out of the question leaving only Path3 of Arah since all other paths also have a final Boss that most "baddies" can't handle.

And even Path3 of Arah simply isn't commensurate with 1g per Speed Runner on pure effort (and no tokens).
Speaking of CoE, I'm needing to do it, but it's I think the only dungeon I don't have any experience with. Which paths do people tend to avoid?

View PostGilles VI, on 05 November 2012 - 08:09 PM, said:

Same here but I still think it's a waste do buy the armor and then transmutate cultural over it!
Like I just used all my CoF tokens to buy full set for my alt: a lvl20 warrior. :)
Well I'm getting the HotW set for my guardian because it has the stats I want, but I don't like the helm so I'm gonna get the CoE helm and transmute that so I still have the stats from HotW. Then somewhere down the line I'm gonna start combining HotW with tier 3 human cultural. Right now I'm thinking that at the end I'll just have the original HotW chest and legs left, I'm debating over the gauntlets and boots (especially the boots) and I'll be transmuting the cultural over the CoE helm. Actually, can I transmute an item that's already been transmuted once?

Edited by XSevSpreeX, 06 November 2012 - 04:15 AM.


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Posted 06 November 2012 - 04:16 AM

View PostXSevSpreeX, on 06 November 2012 - 04:10 AM, said:

Speaking of CoE, I'm needing to do it, but it's I think the only dungeon I don't have any experience with. Which paths do people tend to avoid?

Well I'm getting the HotW set for my guardian because it has the stats I want, but I don't like the helm so I'm gonna get the CoE helm and transmute that so I still have the stats from HotW. Then somewhere down the line I'm gonna start combining HotW with tier 3 human cultural. Right now I'm thinking that at the end I'll just have the original HotW chest and legs left, I'm debating over the gauntlets and boots (especially the boots) and I'll be transmuting the cultural over the CoE helm. Actually, can I transmute an item that's already been transmuted once?

None, they are all easy.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 04:20 AM

This is why I've already avoided doing dungeons with guild groups other than my own. it's only happened twice; however, if you're the fifth to a bunch of people in the same guild, beware, they can kick you at the end of the dungeon to fill it with a guildie who still needs the dungeon or so. idk why, maybe due to level, karma(now), influence. idk. but it's a really shitty thing to do. however, if you have people willing to do that, fine I guess, I couldn't imagine anyone paying up front really when I think about it so it's all a really huge potential to get scammed. out of only a gold but still. I keep floating up and down but ending back at 10 gold across my account

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 05:12 AM

I hope that this won't be a common way of doing dungeons in the future. I, for one, would never pay anything for tokens. Also, since dungeon gear should (at least) represent that one person knows quite a bit about that dungeon, this would pretty much destroy all the sense of achievement in recieving a full dungeon gear.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 05:20 AM

Great idea OP. Really helps the community speed shit up alot, not that there is anything great there anyways.

Good luck on your legendary. Hope this works out for you.




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