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[rayzinz]

This rig is mainly for MMORPG online games main as Guild Wars 2 and Aion. But i also play DOTA 2 which is not a considered MMORPG anyhow.

I'am picking between 2 sets and you guys will help me out which one is much better for me.
The first one is UPGRADING 2 component: GFX and Core.
The second one is UPGRADING 3 component: GFX, Core, Motherboard
MY PSU: 430w

I might also find a higher one thats preferable 600w or which ever is recommended for me. Now for the specs

Currently:

1280x1040 Monitor Resolution
Asus M3a
AMD Athlon x2 64 dual core processor 5200+ 2.7 ghz
8gb ram corsair ddr2 or ddr3 i think..
Geforce 8600 GT
Psu: 430w
Win7 64bit

So the first set i plan upgrading just gfx and core:

GFX: Sapphire Radeon HD 6850 OR 6870 http://www.newegg.co......] hics-Cards $149.99
or Sapphire Radeon HD 7700 http://www.canadacom......] _id=046215 $110.99

Core: http://www.newegg.co......] 6819103808


OR Second set: gfx, core, motherboard

GFX: Sapphire Radeon HD 6850 OR 6870 http://www.newegg.co......] hics-Cards$149.99/$169.99
or Sapphire Radeon HD 7700 http://www.canadacom......] _id=046215 $110.99

Core: i5-2500k http://www.canadacom......] _id=035530
$199.99

Motherboard: http://www.canadacom......] _id=047272
$129.99


So let me say some statement about those 2 so first 1:
-same mobo, upgrade core, upgrade gfx (hope wont bottleneck)
*for mobo it says cpu support list not included for core they say i just need to update to latest bios and it will be successfull other members were able to be successfull with it so they recommend me.

2:
-upgrade from amd to intel
-upgrade core,gfx


Question is:

So set 1 will cost much cheaper saving maybe $200 or more, but i dont know if its worth it. OR should i just go to set 2 an all new cpu type for total of $500 . You guys are more experienced and expert than me help me out. This is towards more about gaming MMORPG online remember. I dont want to play with no laggs/spikes in terms of FPS droppping i dont care if i dont have to play max settings medium or high is fine but i just want a stable or perfect FPS that doesnt drop.

iam also having trouble picking between sapphire radeon hd 6850/6870/7700 if theres other recommendation once again feel free..if not which one can you recommend me?
*in my stores they dont sell 6850 instead 6870 and 7700 only. BUT if 6850 is really worth it i can buy it online at newegg.

Note: i will upgrade my psu please recommend me how much watts i should get it for if i upgrading to either set 1 or set 2. Also feel free to tweak any components if needed if theres any replacement for a better price or item.


also if buget is needed: not more than $200+ but if its really worth it then ill change my mind

also extra info:-im not the type of person to update my pc after 1year i want my cpu to last for several years and still be good in terms of mmorpg gaming FPS(frame rate per second) to be specific.

Edited by rayzinz, 05 November 2012 - 09:31 PM.

[Inraged Twitch]

This game seems to run better on Nvidia graphics rather than ATI but if you can't I would def go with the 6870 I run a sapphire 4870 in my rig right now and I have not had one hiccup yet!

I use corsair PSU's I would go with about 600W its about 120$ for one @ NE atm.

Edited by Inraged Twitch, 05 November 2012 - 09:32 PM.

[rayzinz]

Inraged Twitch, on 05 November 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:

This game seems to run better on Nvidia graphics rather than ATI but if you can't I would def go with the 6870 I run a sapphire 4870 in my rig right now and I have not had one hiccup yet!

I use corsair PSU's I would go with about 600W its about 120$ for one @ NE atm.

ok do you know any comparison to those gfx i wrote to a nvidia card? Also please label on how much they differ on prices.

Also if you have any experience in picking which set i could go to 1 or 2 can you aswell give an opinion on which one you would pick and why? If not its okay.

[Inraged Twitch]

The GTX 560TI will give you about 10fps more than the 6870 @ your reolution.  It is about 40$ more  at newegg.

you should get about 50-60+ FPS while playing on Ultra setting with that GTX 560. XFX Evga and Asus are the only brands I would choose from for nvidia.

for PSU like I said Corsair like this http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817139031

[moriz]

going by the info released by anet, the game runs better on AMD graphics. however, that info was made available right before launch. at this point, i believe the two companies are equal.

i would go with your second choice. no point in upgrading just the video card and hamstringing it with your old CPU.

[rayzinz]

moriz, on 05 November 2012 - 10:17 PM, said:

going by the info released by anet, the game runs better on AMD graphics. however, that info was made available right before launch. at this point, i believe the two companies are equal.

i would go with your second choice. no point in upgrading just the video card and hamstringing it with your old CPU.

im still confused what to choose sapphire radeon 6850/6870/7700 though only 6870 and 7700 is available in my stores. But if 6850 is really that good and worth it ill change my mind and get it online.

for my set 1 choice: i save for money $200-250 approx. and some members recommend me that it is enough to run guild wars 2 at a high fps with my resolution. but they havent told me anything about my motherboard being old compared to my new core and gfx.

ill give probably have to gather more ideas and comments from other members and see what they got to say. Other then thanks for your comment anyways ill take it in consideration aswell..

[moriz]

i'd go with the HD6870 for GW2. it is definitely the most powerful out of the ones you've listed.

[Essence Snow]

Prior to 12.6 drivers the 6850>7770...post 12.6 the 7770 is right on par with it while running on less power and cooler. it's also cheaper...so if between the 6850 and the 7770...the 7770 is imo the better option. Stepping up in price to the 6870....well might as well just go for a 7850.....the core editions have gone sub $150 (sales) and the non refs not far behind, which when compared to a $169 6870 is a no brainer. I can't recommend any nvidia card in your price range. Dollar for dollar atm they don't compete until the higher end cards.

[rayzinz]

i5 3570k $220
sapphire radeon hd 7850 $220
z77 $120
4x2 Corsair Vengeance $35
PSU Antec HGM-620w $85

=$680

920 Antec Kuhler (cooler)
1240x1080 Monitor Resolution

How is this setup? Please rate it . Overkill? Excellent ? Good?
If possible you can adjust or tweak probably the core/gfx to a lower price but decent for my resolution if its necessary, or  just keep it at that.

[Mireles]

I would consider duel graphics cards... this game relies heavily on processing power... two GPUs are better than one, but that would require a better power supply.

[rayzinz]

Mireles, on 07 November 2012 - 08:59 PM, said:

I would consider duel graphics cards... this game relies heavily on processing power... two GPUs are better than one, but that would require a better power supply.

tbh my budget was only to try atleast $300-500 max. That enough to play whether medium-high or max at a decent FPS where it is at a FUN FACTOR meaning where its playabable that you actually will enjoy playing it not like having low fps that makes you mad and irritated

since im bringinng it to $680 is because of the sales anyways whats your rate or opinion on this build?

[Mireles]

rayzinz, on 07 November 2012 - 09:37 PM, said:

tbh my budget was only to try atleast $300-500 max. That enough to play whether medium-high or max at a decent FPS where it is at a FUN FACTOR meaning where its playabable that you actually will enjoy playing it not like having low fps that makes you mad and irritated

since im bringinng it to $680 is because of the sales anyways whats your rate or opinion on this build?

Your build will be able to handle medium graphics on native sample on stock settings, you might see a significant fps drop is you chose to super sample....  Based off of people comments switching from native sampling to super sampling make single gpu configurations takes a huge hit in performance...  But at your monitors resolution it might make less of a impact, most high end computer users have a monitor that renders at 1980x1200 resolution.

Edited by Mireles, 07 November 2012 - 10:22 PM.

[Zerk2012]

Mireles, on 07 November 2012 - 08:59 PM, said:

I would consider duel graphics cards... this game relies heavily on processing power... two GPUs are better than one, but that would require a better power supply.

LOL your going to recomend 2 cards. this game is CPU abound not graphics.

[Zerk2012]

rayzinz, on 05 November 2012 - 09:24 PM, said:

This rig is mainly for MMORPG online games main as Guild Wars 2 and Aion. But i also play DOTA 2 which is not a considered MMORPG anyhow.

I'am picking between 2 sets and you guys will help me out which one is much better for me.
The first one is UPGRADING 2 component: GFX and Core.
The second one is UPGRADING 3 component: GFX, Core, Motherboard
MY PSU: 430w

I might also find a higher one thats preferable 600w or which ever is recommended for me. Now for the specs

Currently:

1280x1040 Monitor Resolution
Asus M3a
AMD Athlon x2 64 dual core processor 5200+ 2.7 ghz
8gb ram corsair ddr2 or ddr3 i think..
Geforce 8600 GT
Psu: 430w
Win7 64bit

So the first set i plan upgrading just gfx and core:

GFX: Sapphire Radeon HD 6850 OR 6870 http://www.newegg.co......] hics-Cards $149.99
or Sapphire Radeon HD 7700 http://www.canadacom......] _id=046215 $110.99

Core: http://www.newegg.co......] 6819103808


OR Second set: gfx, core, motherboard

GFX: Sapphire Radeon HD 6850 OR 6870 http://www.newegg.co......] hics-Cards$149.99/$169.99
or Sapphire Radeon HD 7700 http://www.canadacom......] _id=046215 $110.99

Core: i5-2500k http://www.canadacom......] _id=035530
$199.99

Motherboard: http://www.canadacom......] _id=047272
$129.99


So let me say some statement about those 2 so first 1:
-same mobo, upgrade core, upgrade gfx (hope wont bottleneck)
*for mobo it says cpu support list not included for core they say i just need to update to latest bios and it will be successfull other members were able to be successfull with it so they recommend me.

2:
-upgrade from amd to intel
-upgrade core,gfx


Question is:

So set 1 will cost much cheaper saving maybe $200 or more, but i dont know if its worth it. OR should i just go to set 2 an all new cpu type for total of $500 . You guys are more experienced and expert than me help me out. This is towards more about gaming MMORPG online remember. I dont want to play with no laggs/spikes in terms of FPS droppping i dont care if i dont have to play max settings medium or high is fine but i just want a stable or perfect FPS that doesnt drop.

iam also having trouble picking between sapphire radeon hd 6850/6870/7700 if theres other recommendation once again feel free..if not which one can you recommend me?
*in my stores they dont sell 6850 instead 6870 and 7700 only. BUT if 6850 is really worth it i can buy it online at newegg.

Note: i will upgrade my psu please recommend me how much watts i should get it for if i upgrading to either set 1 or set 2. Also feel free to tweak any components if needed if theres any replacement for a better price or item.


also if buget is needed: not more than $200+ but if its really worth it then ill change my mind

also extra info:-im not the type of person to update my pc after 1year i want my cpu to last for several years and still be good in terms of mmorpg gaming FPS(frame rate per second) to be specific.

The CPU upgrade is not on their suport list.
http://support.asus....ge=en&m=M3A&p=1

rayzinz, on 07 November 2012 - 08:53 PM, said:

i5 3570k $220
sapphire radeon hd 7850 $220
z77 $120
4x2 Corsair Vengeance $35
PSU Antec HGM-620w $85

=$680

920 Antec Kuhler (cooler)

1240x1080 Monitor Resolution

How is this setup? Please rate it . Overkill? Excellent ? Good?
If possible you can adjust or tweak probably the core/gfx to a lower price but decent for my resolution if its necessary, or  just keep it at that.

Your missing alot of parts do you already have the Antec cooler ? what PC case do you have? are you reusing your HDD and CD/DVD drive are they SATA or IDE, your also going to need a new operating system.

[rayzinz]

Zerk2012, on 08 November 2012 - 12:04 AM, said:

The CPU upgrade is not on their suport list.
http://support.asus....ge=en&m=M3A&p=1


Your missing alot of parts do you already have the Antec cooler ? what PC case do you have? are you reusing your HDD and CD/DVD drive are they SATA or IDE, your also going to need a new operating system.

i think your missing out on alot details i wrote...

i have antec kuhler thats why i separated it from the list, my pc case is a mid tower and i have win7 os 64bit thats fair enough...

[typographie]

Mireles, on 07 November 2012 - 08:59 PM, said:

I would consider duel graphics cards... this game relies heavily on processing power... two GPUs are better than one, but that would require a better power supply.

I don't mean any personal offense, but that's kind of a terrible idea. The OP only has a 1280x1024 monitor, a single HD 6870 or HD 7770 would be plenty, even overkill. As you (confusing enough) said yourself, GW2 needs a very strong processor. Better to spend less on a single video card well-matched to low resolutions, and invest the rest in a very strong platform.

Edited by typographie, 08 November 2012 - 02:55 PM.

[Essence Snow]

Agree with ^^.....For that resolution the 7850 would be overkill for most mmos. With black friday/cyber monday coming up quickly I'm rather confident  you should be able to find cheaper prices on everything....namely the psu and mobo. If so inclined monitors go on sale too this time of year. (note not sure if canada does the same sales deal as states at end of the month)

[Swedemon]

I highly doubt an AM3 CPU as you linked above will fit in an AM2/AM2+ motherboard.  It is a different socket type.  It is time for a new motherboard and CPU.

There is a chance your PSU will work with a 7770 if it supports 19amps on the 12v rails and is a reasonable brand.  What model is your PSU?  Anyways, for your monitor size that may be overkill - unless you plan to upgrade it up the road - I'd highly recommend it.

[rayzinz]

wait so i dont get it . which is overkill only my graphics card? If so ill probably get a lower one maybe 7700 for $110.

how about my core?

here are gtx nvidia cards for $100-$199: http://www.tigerdire...s=gtx&cat=&mnf=

and amd sapphire radeon hd $100-$199: http://www.tigerdire...&sort=0&recs=20

Edited by rayzinz, 08 November 2012 - 09:32 PM.

[atomicmew]

You can probably find a 7850 on sale sometime for about $150, which I'd suggest.  If you ever decide for a higher resolution  a 7700 won't cut it.  My monitor has nearly 300% area than yours, I have no idea how you can stand such a low resolution

[rayzinz]

atomicmew, on 08 November 2012 - 10:55 PM, said:

You can probably find a 7850 on sale sometime for about $150, which I'd suggest.  If you ever decide for a higher resolution  a 7700 won't cut it.  My monitor has nearly 300% area than yours, I have no idea how you can stand such a low resolution

well ive been using 1240x1080 resolution almost all my life. Ever since i was introduced to a computer monitor was 1240x1080 ever since. Also played several mmorpg in this resolution for years aswell. So if i up it to a higher resolution i will feel weird like i will have to move my head just to see one side and keep adjusting my head level to see the other side for its width and length size .

While at this resolution  1240x1080 which im used to i only use eye coordination basically..so yeah also i save much more money keeping it low at this resolution which is fine by me .

[atomicmew]

rayzinz, on 08 November 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

well ive been using 1240x1080 resolution almost all my life. Ever since i was introduced to a computer monitor was 1240x1080 ever since. Also played several mmorpg in this resolution for years aswell. So if i up it to a higher resolution i will feel weird like i will have to move my head just to see one side and keep adjusting my head level to see the other side for its width and length size .

While at this resolution  1240x1080 which im used to i only use eye coordination basically..so yeah also i save much more money keeping it low at this resolution which is fine by me .

Yeah for gaming, it's all preference I guess.  But a bigger monitor also helps with productivity (when I get around to that haha).  I find it's really helpful to be able to have two full windows side by side when writing a paper or something, instead of having to switch back and forth.

Anyway, not a big deal either way.  GL.

[rayzinz]

i plan on getting gtx 660 than hd7850 now there almost same price and 660 perform better in terms of FPS which is good any opinion on this?

also if i dont upgrade my resolution i think its an overkill ? maybe i should lower a bit or just keep as it is?


setup upgrading to:

i5 3570k $220
sapphire radeon hd 7850 or gtx 660 $220
z77 $120
4x2 Corsair Vengeance $35
PSU Antec HGM-620w $85

=$700
(* MY RESOLUTION IS 1240X1080)

Edited by rayzinz, 09 November 2012 - 01:48 AM.

[Ezendor]

Well the 660 will murder anything and everything at your resolution.  Most games will then be bottlenecked by your CPU

[exp1os1v3]

I get jealous whenever I read posts like these.  Whenever I want to build a new PC, i just can't hold myself back, unlike you guys.  For example, I had a 1000$ budget to build a PC for gw2 and later games.  It ended up at 4500$.  Whereas I would have built it already, I'm still in the savings phase atm...

[rayzinz]

Ezendor, on 09 November 2012 - 01:47 AM, said:

Well the 660 will murder anything and everything at your resolution.  Most games will then be bottlenecked by your CPU

what exactly?! WHY will most games be bottlenecked by my cpu? is there something wrong please explain further im no experience at this at all .

[atomicmew]

rayzinz, on 09 November 2012 - 02:15 AM, said:

what exactly?! WHY will most games be bottlenecked by my cpu? is there something wrong please explain further im no experience at this at all .

He's saying because your resolution is so low, your GPU should be able to handle anything your CPU can pump to it.  It's not an alarming statement though, since either your CPU or GPU will be a bottleneck pretty much 100% of the time.  He's right though.

Also, are you getting a GTX 660 or a GTX 660 ti?  There's a difference.

[moriz]

your CPU is dog slow, so

rayzinz, on 08 November 2012 - 03:02 AM, said:

i think your missing out on alot details i wrote...

asus's website is very specific in saying that it will not support the phenom II x4. in case i'm not being clear: no matter what BIOS you install, your motherboard WILL NOT run that CPU. you've pretty much reached the end of the line with your current system platform, time to abandon it and completely rebuild.

also, there's not such thing as 1240x1080 resolution monitors. i think you meant 1280x1024.

Edited by moriz, 09 November 2012 - 04:07 AM.

[typographie]

rayzinz, on 08 November 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

wait so i dont get it . which is overkill only my graphics card? If so ill probably get a lower one maybe 7700 for $110.

Quick clarification: there is no "7700." There is the HD 7750 and 7770.

I think the HD 7770 is ideal for you, if you intend not to upgrade your monitor. The GTX 660/HD 7850 will mostly go wasted at 1280x1024. A 7770 would have plenty of overhead to keep your framerates and detail settings high.

Don't be confused by people throwing around the term "bottleneck," there's always a component limiting performance or there would be no limit to what your framerate could be. At low resolutions that your video card is easily able to handle, its likely to be your CPU more often than it would be at 1080p resolution.

[moriz]

typographie, on 09 November 2012 - 03:08 PM, said:

Don't be confused by people throwing around the term "bottleneck," there's always a component limiting performance or there would be no limit to what your framerate could be. At low resolutions that your video card is easily able to handle, its likely to be your CPU more often than it would be at 1080p resolution.

keep in mind that he is using a CPU from circa 2005. he WILL be bottlenecked heavily if he doesn't upgrade his CPU. given the age of his system, he'll need to upgrade the motherboard and RAM as well.