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[Arewn]

Kymeric, on 06 November 2012 - 01:17 AM, said:

Except you could always see another concert on the same tour that would be, by and large, the same.

It's more like complaining that a band had a concert where they were going to preform material they will never perform again on a date you can't attend.

Example still holds, other concerts in the tour may no longer be within your range of travel.

And you could always see the content on youtube, or play through the none-onetime portions of the content (which judging by the Halloween event and the info on the lost shores, seems to be the majority of it), and it would be, by and large, the same.

Even if that were the case with the band, do you expect them to reschedule? same thing regardless, it sucks, but you'll just have to get over it.

[Chava Blue]

It really seems like ANet can't win here. For weeks, there have been forum posts from players about how the environment is too static, and dynamic events are too repetitive.

Now there's a one-time event, and it's like people are suddenly realizing the downside of what they previously wanted... that only in a static world will you never miss anything.

I think what we need is a balance between the two - and frankly, I think that's what ANet is trying to do with this event. Not all the content is becoming one-time-only. It's just one event chain. Everyone will be able to do everything else. To me this seems like a good compromise between what are frankly two contradictory desires from the playerbase.

[Ncyphe]

AGHHHHHH!!!!

I'm starting to get really annoyed with these one time events that last too short.  It just so happens that I work on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday . . . sooooo, I'm screwed.

[AmyLynn]

Looking on the "bright side".
At least they given us 1 week & 1/2 to plan, instead of the 4 days like the Mad King event.

[metalsazz]

At the end of the day, it's still free content. Why would anyone complain about that? Would people complain if someone brought free cookies, and they were all eaten before you could get at them? I wouldn't, because it was free, if I had to pay for it, your damn right I should be able to get some,

[Tanith]

dazza64, on 05 November 2012 - 11:32 PM, said:

How is Sunday classed as a work day?

If you work in retail as I do, it is.  But, more pay, and I can catch the highlights on YouTube afterward.

[Axton Bane]

Great I will miss start and finale...

[sanctuaire]

would have no qualms if it was just a one time cinematic.

but yeah, a one time event chain is something i would love to do.
perhaps anet could schedule things like this on a saturday?
so its still a non-workday (sunday) for oceanics

[Murderer]

The Halloween 1 time event was the mad king coming out of the LA statue, I waited for 4 hours for that and missed out on Disney land. I am sure this 1 time event will not be any more special and you all will still have time to get your free bunny ears. So take a deep breath and relax.

[GSSB Lunaspike]

Al Shamari, on 05 November 2012 - 11:42 PM, said:

People put too much thought into the idea of "one time event". I would relax about it, it's really not a big deal. We heard the same phrase about the Mad King's Dungeon. That turned out to be a very short cinematic cut scene - while it was nice to be there at the time, it could easily be viewed in high resolution later on Youtube.

When it comes to things like this, Arenanet is always going to be "in the wrong". They're never going to be able to cover all time zones perfectly, they're never going to be able to gear the event towards every individual, etc. So they're going to do what makes the most sense as far as overall appeal. That being to put it smack dab in the middle of the day, which is the logical choice.

Really? They did a great job with a little game called Guild Wars 1. Maybe you've heard of it?

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If you work in retail as I do, it is.  But, more pay, and I can catch the highlights on YouTube afterward

Most of them don't work period. I know on our server when everyone leaves for work, other servers only get bigger (gates of madness comes to mind) must have the biggest "unemployed" population there is.

Edited by GSSB Lunaspike, 06 November 2012 - 05:43 AM.

[Al Shamari]

GSSB Lunaspike, on 06 November 2012 - 05:40 AM, said:

Really? They did a great job with a little game called Guild Wars 1. Maybe you've heard of it?

Yeah, that game with and instanced world instead of a persistent world that changes throughout dynamic events... yeah, I remember that game. It was a different one.

[Lordkrall]

I love how people want them to move it to Saturday.
I might read it wrong but I find it quite clear that they have events set for Friday, Saturday AND Sunday.
Should they change it to Thurday, Friday and Saturday instead? Wouldnt that mean more people would miss out?

[Serris]

calankh, on 05 November 2012 - 11:25 PM, said:

really, a one time event at noon on a workday? that just seems silly.

noon on a workday? 20.00 seems a good time to me.

yeah, if you're ignoring timezones, so can i.

[Sevens]

For all those crying about having to miss it because of work...
if its really THAT important to you, call in sick or request a vacation day
see that was easy peasy lemon squeezy

[WinterSnowblind]

Chava Blue, on 06 November 2012 - 01:33 AM, said:

It really seems like ANet can't win here. For weeks, there have been forum posts from players about how the environment is too static, and dynamic events are too repetitive.

Now there's a one-time event, and it's like people are suddenly realizing the downside of what they previously wanted... that only in a static world will you never miss anything.

I think what we need is a balance between the two - and frankly, I think that's what ANet is trying to do with this event. Not all the content is becoming one-time-only. It's just one event chain. Everyone will be able to do everything else. To me this seems like a good compromise between what are frankly two contradictory desires from the playerbase.

I think this is a case of the ball swinging too far in the other direction.  A big problem with the dynamic events at the moment is that they really don't affect much and when they do, it only takes a few minutes before they reset and can be done again.  That works for some areas, after all there needs to be something to do for individual groups of players, but I think the game would benefit greatly from a few huge events that can happen across the world, things that would have a significant impact on the surrounding area and could only reset if something equally significant happens.  Even something just on the scale of capturing keeps in WvW would add a lot to PVE at the moment, too much of it just feels trivial, with the only reason to participate being to complete the daily.

I personally don't have a problem with these one time only events, it certainly helps the feeling that you're actually doing something in the world, but I don't think it's going to be something so amazing that anyone who can't attend is going to really miss out (after all, the meat of new the content is coming after this event).  It should just be something fun, a cool "I was there" moment, like the closing beta events.

[Tellia]

you know, i realize its hard to please everybody with a "1 time" event, its got to be at a lousy hour somewhere no matter what time they pick.

but you know what a solution just might be? dont do "1 time" events. let it repeat a couple times, so it plays 3 times over 2 days or something. at different times.

i get that the fact its "1 time" event makes it special or some crap, but think about how special the "no time event" is to those who cant attend. aint special at all...

[Lordkrall]

Tellia, on 06 November 2012 - 11:58 AM, said:

you know, i realize its hard to please everybody with a "1 time" event, its got to be at a lousy hour somewhere no matter what time they pick.

but you know what a solution just might be? dont do "1 time" events. let it repeat a couple times, so it plays 3 times over 2 days or something. at different times.

i get that the fact its "1 time" event makes it special or some crap, but think about how special the "no time event" is to those who cant attend. aint special at all...

And how well would if work if this one time event simply ended with a massive beast coming up and completely destroying several buildings?

Those buildings magically gets rebuilt during the night?

Multiple repeats events like those works in an instanced game. Not as well in an open world one.

[Coren]

Khalija, on 05 November 2012 - 11:16 PM, said:

Martin Kerstein has posted an update on when to expect the Lost Shores event to start on November 16th:

Actually for us Europeans it's great. Glad that for once we are being put on the forefront.

[Tellia]

Lordkrall, on 06 November 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

And how well would if work if this one time event simply ended with a massive beast coming up and completely destroying several buildings?

Those buildings magically gets rebuilt during the night?

Multiple repeats events like those works in an instanced game. Not as well in an open world one.

why not? i think having the continuity or immersion for some players TEMPORARILY destroyed is fine if it means MORE people can enjoy the event. you know, the one those people might otherwise NEVER experience. THOUSANDS of people. talk about selfish...

[Lordkrall]

Tellia, on 06 November 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

why not? i think having the continuity or immersion for some players TEMPORARILY destroyed is fine if it means MORE people can enjoy the event. you know, the one those people might otherwise NEVER experience. THOUSANDS of people. talk about selfish...

It is not about being selfish. It is about being logical.
They have to draw the line somewhere.

What if they have it for two days but during those two days all of sweden is out of power? Should they extend it for yet another two days?
And maybe the whole internet goes down for England a week or two, should they extend the event for a three weeks then?

They have to draw a line and the best way to do that is to simply not cater to any specific group at all.

And just to point out: I am not sure if I will be able to do the event either, and yet I still don't have a problem with it being limited.

Edited by Lordkrall, 06 November 2012 - 01:07 PM.

[cyclopsje]

ok well no work at those times no just hope my agenda (still use a paper 1 ) that is at home, is empty at those time.

[Tellia]

Lordkrall, on 06 November 2012 - 01:06 PM, said:

It is not about being selfish. It is about being logical.
They have to draw the line somewhere.

What if they have it for two days but during those two days all of sweden is out of power? Should they extend it for yet another two days?
And maybe the whole internet goes down for England a week or two, should they extend the event for a three weeks then?

They have to draw a line and the best way to do that is to simply not cater to any specific group at all.

And just to point out: I am not sure if I will be able to do the event either, and yet I still don't have a problem with it being limited.

they should at least attempt to get as any people in the world to have an opportunity to do the event. having it repeat a couple times is the answer. and i dunno what your swedish power outage or english internet problem has to do with anything, im not talking about circumstances like that, obviously if it happened, they are SOL. but at the moment, they are intentionally leaving out a lot of their players by only having the event run once without a repeat.

also you say they should "not cater to any specific group at all" and i agree. but that is EXACTLY what they are doing: catering to a very specific group who can be online at one specific time. my suggestion actually allows them to try to cater to a wider group...

[Lordkrall]

Tellia, on 06 November 2012 - 01:18 PM, said:

they should at least attempt to get as any people in the world to have an opportunity to do the event. having it repeat a couple times is the answer. and i dunno what your swedish power outage or english internet problem has to do with anything, im not talking about circumstances like that, obviously if it happened, they are SOL. but at the moment, they are intentionally leaving out a lot of their players by only having the event run once without a repeat.

also you say they should "not cater to any specific group at all" and i agree. but that is EXACTLY what they are doing: catering to a very specific group who can be online at one specific time. my suggestion actually allows them to try to cater to a wider group...

Everyone do have the opportunity. They simply have to get up early or take a day of school/work.

Which is exactly what they are not doing.
Their biggest player base is in Europe and the US. These times are more or less perfect for those two groups. The fact that a small group of players in one corner of the world might have trouble attending is not something they can take into consideration.

Also keep in mind that the new content will be permanent, it is simply the event chain to OPEN this new event that is one-time.

[Tellia]

you say its "not something they can take into consideration" but i have to very strongly disagree. its something they very well can take into consideration...but are simply choosing not to. theres a difference.

also since when should they only cater to the majority? who gives a crap if most people are in us or europe and actually have jobs they can take a day off of to play a damn video game? they have thousands of loyal players disappointed in the rest of the world. and YOU want them to just not consider us at all because of some stupid idea that the event cant repeat itself. does it ruin your experience so much if it would repeat, that you would be willing to let thousands of other players NOT experience it at all?

Edited by Tellia, 06 November 2012 - 01:30 PM.

[Lordkrall]

Tellia, on 06 November 2012 - 01:28 PM, said:

you say its "not something they can take into consideration" but i have to very strongly disagree. its something they very well can take into consideration...but are simply choosing not to. theres a difference.

No, they have most likely looked at their numbers, seen when most people are typically online (they did for the Halloween cutscene) and simply starts the event based on that.

There will always be people left out, no matter what they do. They (and most of us) have simply accepted that.

[Tellia]

Lordkrall, on 06 November 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

There will always be people left out, no matter what they do. They (and most of us) have simply accepted that.

i dont disagree with that. the question is though, how many. it would be very simple for them to include thousands more players in this small fleeting event. very simple. they cant make it possible to leave no one out, but they can make the number of people missing out significantly lower. and imo they should try to cater to all parts of the world in some way and not play into favoritism.

[Lordkrall]

Tellia, on 06 November 2012 - 01:36 PM, said:

i dont disagree with that. the question is though, how many. it would be very simple for them to include thousands more players in this small fleeting event. very simple. they cant make it possible to leave no one out, but they can make the number of people missing out significantly lower. and imo they should try to cater to all parts of the world in some way and not play into favoritism.

They are catering to (most likely) about 95% of their player base. How is that favoritism?
Wouldn't it be even more favoritism to cater specifically to those 5% living in Australia while completely ignoring the vast majority of players?

[Tellia]

Lordkrall, on 06 November 2012 - 01:39 PM, said:

They are catering to (most likely) about 95% of their player base. How is that favoritism?
Wouldn't it be even more favoritism to cater specifically to those 5% living in Australia while completely ignoring the vast majority of players?

first of all, please tell me where you got the number 95%. i am pretty sure that even if that were the percentage of us/euro players, not all of them would find the time given most convenient. having it repeat gives more us/euro players a chance to play the event too.

second of all, who mentioned australia? are you so naive that you think australia is the only country to who the time of the event might be inconvenient? if you really are, heres a hint: theres an entire CONTINENT known as asia. it is to the east of where you are. yes, there are countries over here that are not part of europe. if you want to make up numbers, at least make an attempt to try to get your numbers close to the real ones. there is no way in hell that all of the players in this game from asia, australia, the rest of oceania or southeast asia, only account for 5%.

thirdly no it would not be favoratism to cater to the made-up number of 5% in australia, if you want to argue that...because the event would still run at a time convenient to us/europe. i am not suggesting changing the time of the event, i never have. i am suggesting it run multiple times. it would cater to us, europe, asia, oceania.

i honestly dont believe you think its better they DONT do this? i mean, is it really so horrible for the event to run once or twice more? its still "one time" because after the weekend, we would never see the event again. but you seem so adamant about giving the middle finger to such a large portion of the world...

[Lordkrall]

Tellia, on 06 November 2012 - 02:00 PM, said:

first of all, please tell me where you got the number 95%. i am pretty sure that even if that were the percentage of us/euro players, not all of them would find the time given most convenient. having it repeat gives more us/euro players a chance to play the event too.

second of all, who mentioned australia? are you so naive that you think australia is the only country to who the time of the event might be inconvenient? if you really are, heres a hint: theres an entire CONTINENT known as asia. it is to the east of where you are. yes, there are countries over here that are not part of europe. if you want to make up numbers, at least make an attempt to try to get your numbers close to the real ones. there is no way in hell that all of the players in this game from asia, australia, the rest of oceania or southeast asia, only account for 5%.

thirdly no it would not be favoratism to cater to the made-up number of 5% in australia, if you want to argue that...because the event would still run at a time convenient to us/europe. i am not suggesting changing the time of the event, i never have. i am suggesting it run multiple times. it would cater to us, europe, asia, oceania.

i honestly dont believe you think its better they DONT do this? i mean, is it really so horrible for the event to run once or twice more? its still "one time" because after the weekend, we would never see the event again. but you seem so adamant about giving the middle finger to such a large portion of the world...

It was an estimation. And based on ArenaNets "numbers" (no we have not actually seen any numbers) the highest number of concurrent users seems to be around that time (this was said when people cried about the Halloween event).


No, running it for a convenient time for Asia would mean inconvenient time for the US and/or Europe seeing as the time difference is quite large.

Of course it is better. They can't, in a open world, destroy major things several times in a row. That would completely destroy the whole point of the event.

Why look at the world as such? Better to look at the actual PLAYER BASE.
If the vast majority of the players lives in the US and Europe wouldn't it be most logical to cater to them?
As for giving them the middle finger I suppose you missed the fact that I am not even sure that I will be able to join the event?

[Tellia]

Lordkrall, on 06 November 2012 - 02:07 PM, said:

No, running it for a convenient time for Asia would mean inconvenient time for the US and/or Europe seeing as the time difference is quite large.

i said it in my last post but i will say it again. bolded, since not only did i mention it in my last post, but it was my original suggestion, which you chose to argue with me over: i am not suggesting changing the time of the event! running the event at a time convenient to asia would be inconvenient to most of us/europe...which is why in my opinoin they should run it at times convenient to both. run it more than once

geez if you are going to argue against my posts please at least understand what it is i am saying. i realize english isnt your first language and its not mine either, theres going to be misunderstandings. but i really think i made this point clear, and you seem to understand well enough that i think you should be able to understand what i type. dont argue with me over things i did not say.

Lordkrall, on 06 November 2012 - 02:07 PM, said:

Of course it is better. They can't, in a open world, destroy major things several times in a row. That would completely destroy the whole point of the event.

they could open the new area, run the event, see things destroyed. close it off, reset it, and run it again. i know it would be more work for them, but imo it would be worth the effort. then after the last time just leave it open in its current state. if this event leads to new areas, leave those areas accessible to people who did the event the first time so they are only locked out of the event and not the content the event leads to.

Lordkrall, on 06 November 2012 - 02:07 PM, said:

Why look at the world as such? Better to look at the actual PLAYER BASE.
If the vast majority of the players lives in the US and Europe wouldn't it be most logical to cater to them?
As for giving them the middle finger I suppose you missed the fact that I am not even sure that I will be able to join the event?

i am not saying asia and oceania outnumber the us or europe. infact either the us or europe alone would probably be more than asia/oceania combined so together us/euro will have alot more players. but i think you are underestimating how many people play from outside those 2 regions. since neither of us has access to real numbers were just going to have to agree to disagree on that one. my opinion is that there is ENOUGH people in asia/oceania that anet shouldnt just leave them out of the event altogether.

Edited by Tellia, 06 November 2012 - 02:18 PM.