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[Manaphus]

Title kinda explains my question, but yeah, anyway I think its pretty damn good the armors mostly lore friendly I say mostly because of some female light armors and I think the heavy armors are pretty much perfect for what they should look like simply because they look like they should give protection.
Unlike armor in other games *cough* Tera *cough*

Mod Edit: Moving to Tyrian Assembly.

Edited by Kamatsu, 08 November 2012 - 12:12 PM.
Moving thread

[matsif]

for the most part its good, but there are some parts that need a bit more variety, namely medium armor coats and heavy armor "skirts."

I don't mind the longcoats in the medium armor as much as some do (and actually like most of them), but its a large complaint of the community.  I had more of a problem on my male warrior finding a pair of actual plate leggings instead of a skirt...there's not that many in the game from what I've seen.

and also, female light armor has more than half that barely even compose of clothing, much less armor.  The ever-popular winged set is essentially a bikini with a towel wrapped around the hips, not armor.

[Fenice_86]

Short answer:
I preferred armors from GW1...

Long answer:
- Lot of armors are too similar each other,
- add to this the fact that classes share armor styles (basically 3 armor's style and not 8 like it should be),
- add to this the fact that all races armor are basically restyles from human armor's model.
My conclusion is that this game lacks a lot of armor variety and aesthetics (compared to what it could have been if they wanted to put some serious efforts in design).
I remember in GW1 each of my chars had from 2 to 6 armor sets just for the aestethic they had...
Here i find hard to like even only 1-2 armor set
And hell, i love some of the Tera's armors... epic & sex in a moorpg are a must have to me

Edited by Fenice_86, 07 November 2012 - 12:49 PM.

[Desild]

Charr armor and the fact that I have to share armor looks based on armor type, as opposed to each class having their specific armor sets. I can't tell a Guardian from a Warrior until one of them starts a fight.

And Charr have terrible armor, mainly due to their anatomy...

[Manaphus]

Fenice_86, on 07 November 2012 - 12:47 PM, said:

Short answer:
I preferred armors from GW1...

Long answer:
- Lot of armors are too similar each other,
- add to this the fact that classes share armor styles (basically 3 armor's style and not 8 like it should be),
- add to this the fact that all races armor are basically restyles from human armor's model.
My conclusion is that this game lacks a lot of armor variety and aesthetics (compared to what it could have been if they wanted to put some serious efforts in design).
I remember in GW1 each of my chars had from 2 to 6 armor sets just for the aestethic they had...
Here i find hard to like even only 1-2 armor set
And hell, i love some of the Tera's armors... epic & sex in a moorpg are a must have to me

I never played the first game so I'll take your word on it but you have to admit some of Tera's armor was a bit extreme in the skimpy department

Edited by Manaphus, 07 November 2012 - 12:59 PM.

[Fenice_86]

Manaphus, on 07 November 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

I never played the first game so I'll take your word on it but you have to admit some of Tera's armor was a bit extreme in the skimpy department

I admit it!
Btw, if you didn't play the 1st one, take this link: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Armor
It's a link to GW1 armor, on the right u'll see a menu with each class... click on each of them and watch the huge armor department of the glorious GW1!

[Manaphus]

Fenice_86, on 07 November 2012 - 01:07 PM, said:

I admit it!
Btw, if you didn't play the 1st one, take this link: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Armor
It's a link to GW1 armor, on the right u'll see a menu with each class... click on each of them and watch the huge armor department of the glorious GW1!

Ye some of them armors are really damn good, I love the way the Mesmer used to be I damn well hope there is some armor like that Eye Of The North Prestige armor lying around in game somewhere

[Gervase]

Light armor = Fantastic, specially on females.

Medium Armor = Too many trench coats, I love trench coats on my rogue but...my ranger doesn't feel like a ranger ._.!

Heavy: My main and possibly only char I care about is a warrior. I find the armor design good and lacking at the same time. Even if armor does look like armor, most of it is chain oriented or scale oriented. Such armor should fall under medium, not heavy. Unless banded mailed or better said combined with plate it doesn't give me the level of "Plateness"

My only problem is the helms. The only helm I like in the whole game is the Norn T3. Not a norn so I can't wear it. Same goes to all the medium mask and dragon ball scanners and I dunno if light even got helms pass that weird half mask lol.

[Danael]

I gernerally have problems with the nicely named butcapes. I'd kill for pants for my Ele.

[Manaphus]

Gervase, on 07 November 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

Light armor = Fantastic, specially on females.

Medium Armor = Too many trench coats, I love trench coats on my rogue but...my ranger doesn't feel like a ranger ._.!

Heavy: My main and possibly only char I care about is a warrior. I find the armor design good and lacking at the same time. Even if armor does look like armor, most of it is chain oriented or scale oriented. Such armor should fall under medium, not heavy. Unless banded mailed or better said combined with plate it doesn't give me the level of "Plateness"

My only problem is the helms. The only helm I like in the whole game is the Norn T3. Not a norn so I can't wear it. Same goes to all the medium mask and dragon ball scanners and I dunno if light even got helms pass that weird half mask lol.

I know that feel, I really like my guardian and really like the look of his heavy armor, I just wish there was a little less chain looking armor and a bit more plate going on

[Shadow209]

We clearly need more diversity. It's ok for light armor, but could be better. The biggest problem is medium armor, you can choose between duellist an trench coats and thats it. Don't really know about heavy armor...

Thanks for the link with the GW1 armor, they should implement all of them, would be awesome.

[AndrewSX]

Overall i'm ok with it.

But needs improvements in some areas - especially med armors (0 variations almost) and light armor (male and charrs are horrible).

And agree, GW1 armors where a bit more inspired, but i think it was matter of making them profession related that allowed them to be bettere there.

[Eon Lilu]

The armors are really lacking an there is not much variety, low levels is crap variety, medium levels are pretty crappy variety too. Alot of the armors are copy and paste and some of the stuff seems unfinished. For a game that is all about how you look they need to improve on this alot.

I find it really hard to find any armors that I like the look of or not every jack and harry is wearing already...

I have a feeling they will introduce more armor skins but in the gemstore and they will be epic looking...

I mean look how much effort they put into the paid costumes compared to the armors in the game? pretty much says it all.

Edited by Eon Lilu, 07 November 2012 - 02:16 PM.

[Manaphus]

AndrewSX, on 07 November 2012 - 02:15 PM, said:

Overall i'm ok with it.

But needs improvements in some areas - especially med armors (0 variations almost) and light armor (male and charrs are horrible).

And agree, GW1 armors where a bit more inspired, but i think it was matter of making them profession related that allowed them to be bettere there.

I've never used a medium armor class so I have no idea, my mate has a ranger and now I think of it his armor looks exactly the same it did when he was lvl 10 and he's lvl 40 now so I totally agree with the lack of armor for medium.

[Firstborn12]

I took a look at the Link for the Armors of GW1 just for old time stake, and I complete forgot how Rangers used to have Good Armor, what the heck happen, LeatherWork couldnt improve in 250 years??? I know the game is new and there arnt lot of level 80 areas yet, I can only cross my fingers and hope there will be more to come. Cuase only Medium Armor I wear is the Dualist set. all the Prestige armors should find there way in GW2, and the Obisdian armor should to, at the very least in the Gem store.

[Teagan]

I loathe the light armour for females in this game. There is only one set I happen to like so far, unfortunately I can't be bothered to farm dungeon tokens for it. I should have sticked to asura. Oh well.
Medium armour lacks variety, there is only one set without a tent glued to the butt, and instead of that I get a bra ... no thanks.
And heavy armour... boob plates. Ugh. But most of them actually cover the body, I will give them that.

But because I feel like saying something positive as well... I like most armour on Asura. And the design of the Sylvari cultural ones is beautiful.

[Ryoto]

I'm relatively content but I wouldn't mind seeing platier (is that even a word!?) heavy armors that were similar to 15k Platemail armor from GW1. And a scar pattern and bonelace style armor for necros like the female necros in GW1

[Wieland1]

I am satisfied with the variety actually.
GW1 armor diversity was awesome, but keep in mind that this diversity was achieved after 3 large expansions packs. GW2 armor diversity is pretty decent compared to GW1 vanilla (prophecies). I'd expect a lot of new models down the road (can't wait to see GW2 take on Cantha, Vabbi, etc )

[Sable Wood]

Eon Lilu, on 07 November 2012 - 02:15 PM, said:

The armors are really lacking an there is not much variety, low levels is crap variety, medium levels are pretty crappy variety too. Alot of the armors are copy and paste and some of the stuff seems unfinished. For a game that is all about how you look they need to improve on this alot.

I find it really hard to find any armors that I like the look of or not every jack and harry is wearing already...

I have a feeling they will introduce more armor skins but in the gemstore and they will be epic looking...

I mean look how much effort they put into the paid costumes compared to the armors in the game? pretty much says it all.

Eon Lilu, on 07 November 2012 - 02:15 PM, said:

The armors are really lacking an there is not much variety, low levels is crap variety, medium levels are pretty crappy variety too. Alot of the armors are copy and paste and some of the stuff seems unfinished. For a game that is all about how you look they need to improve on this alot.

I find it really hard to find any armors that I like the look of or not every jack and harry is wearing already...

I have a feeling they will introduce more armor skins but in the gemstore and they will be epic looking...

I mean look how much effort they put into the paid costumes compared to the armors in the game? pretty much says it all.

Totally agree with this.  Why didn't they put more effort into the armor for a game that looks this good?

[Ritualist]

While I am able to find a set that I quite love for each of my guys, the problem is that I am basically able to find just ONE set for each guy. And for a game where pretty is supposed to be the end-game, that's a massive disappointment.

It's the usual problem, A.Net created a massive number of options, but then ran out of time to develop them. We have a ton of races, each with their own starter area, armours and story, we have a ton a classes, ... but then to actually PLAY the game, you need to select just one of those options and then you run out of things to do with that select option because all the time was spent into giving us a million options instead of giving us something to do with the selected option.
I would much rather have seen A.Net focus on a few options (less races, less classes, ...) and then develop those options better. For instance, as much as I adore norn (heck, ALL my characters are norn), I would actually prefer to see GW2 have just humans as a playable race, and then spend all the time, that was spent creating options for the other 4 races, be spent on making humans better. More faces, more hairstyles, more beards, ... and more armour.

Edited by Protoss, 08 November 2012 - 10:14 AM.

[NumNumPie]

As someone said, there should be 8 sets of varying armor, not the 3 sets that we got. I already got my T3 for my Warrior, and it's pretty much the last set of armor I'll ever buy.

[Fenice_86]

Totally agree,
hope for expansions with new armors with DIFFERENT concept styles!

Hell they made GW1 and AION, they own them.
They should just copy/paste some of models they already made to make the thing work ffs!

[Rowland]

Making more of the existing armors available (npc armor and such) would help. ofcourse with new content I would expect to find new armor as well. Next to that each piece of armor should be interesting and combinable.
Right now most of the boots look alike, and even though the basic types of clothing are there (vests, coats) there is plenty of room for expanding.
The best thing they could do to improve though would be making sure all armor can be combined without strange cutoffs. Where having that complete set of dungeon armor is cool, mixing and matching can make a personalized armor combo that you would find on anyone else. (transmutation stones help a lot of course because they separate looks from stats)

Also maybe profession specific armor could be added, but with the starter items now its possible to transfer them within your account so ranger equipment of thieves and engineers would not be uncommon.

Edited by Rowland, 08 November 2012 - 10:50 AM.

[Gilles VI]

Eon Lilu, on 07 November 2012 - 02:15 PM, said:

The armors are really lacking an there is not much variety, low levels is crap variety, medium levels are pretty crappy variety too. Alot of the armors are copy and paste and some of the stuff seems unfinished. For a game that is all about how you look they need to improve on this alot.

I find it really hard to find any armors that I like the look of or not every jack and harry is wearing already...

I have a feeling they will introduce more armor skins but in the gemstore and they will be epic looking...

I mean look how much effort they put into the paid costumes compared to the armors in the game? pretty much says it all.

Those paid costumes are just well-known GW1 armors with some slight polish, can't imagine someone would work longer than a day on polishing the old models up to those.

[Gilles VI]

This thread, again, forgets that lots of these GW1 armors were added in expansions.
If you look at prophecies armors, for example warriors armor.
They had 8 cheap max armors but just look at the beginner ones, ascalon & krytan & tyrian were so alike!
Which actually reduced the number of armors to 6.

And then the elite ones were basically the same as the standard ones, but just with some extra details.
The only unique armor was obby armor.

In my opinion, if we talk about quantity, GW2 does it much better.
Quality however is entirely personal, so it would be foolish to judge that.

I know there were loads of complaints about the trenchcoats, but I actually always wanted one of those in GW1.
That being said I understand there is to few diversity in the medium department at this time.

[Quietus]

Danael, on 07 November 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

I gernerally have problems with the nicely named butcapes. I'd kill for pants for my Ele.

I hate that buttcapes are so dominating. The Duelist set was the only reason I bothered to take my Thief all the way to level 80. Now she's reduced to being a crafting mule, making weapons for my other alts. All armor types should have that kind of sleek, formfitting sets with pants instead of skirts or buttcapes. Currently there's no such thing for light armor. At all. And to make matters worse, skirts/buttcapes have a tendency to be needlessly wide. It's as if ANet are so deathly afraid of clipping issues that they've put an unnecessary amount of space between the character's legs and the skirts/buttcapes. Look at how much the Winged skirt sticks out in the front and back for example.

I also hate how the Exotic Acolyte set doubles the width of the hips on female characters. They go from a nice hourglass figure to suddenly looking all pear-shaped.

[Arquenya]

Armours ....

Let's say that they're nicely designed. They're all not my liking (most in fact aren't) but they did a decent job.

A few minor things though (as human female):

• All armours except the starter ones (and a few after) make your hips a lot wider. Not only does it take away from the body shape you initially chose but (what's worse) it causes clipping with every weapon that you don't wear on your back! They all more or less disappear into your armour. Not really well designed.
  
• I'm not against any look. I just want viable options for every preference. So I think that every game should offer a variety of the categories "realistic", "skimpy" and "anime/overdone". I think GW2 has moved a little too much into the "overdone" category, making all (non-skimpy) heavy endgame armours extremely bulky (with ridiculous WoW-copied shoulderpads).
  And why do we still have the mandatory "anime style front split" in almost every skirt or dress? It's quite cold you know. And have you ever seen anyone ride a bicycle agianst the wind with an open jacket? Right. Then you know what I mean, it makes you look like a balloon. Totally unpractical/unrealistic.
  
• Combining armour pieces. A lot of armours don't combine very well as the glow and colours are different even if you use the same dye. I'm really a fan of creating my own look and now the colours are very hard to fit (even with 200 dye colours) and even different lights make certain parts shine differently; in LA the chest is suddenly bluish, in Kessex Hills the shoulders become much darker. Et cetera. And some parts don't really fit very well as they start lower on the waist.

In the end I only have 1.5 pieces that i really, really like.

Protoss, on 08 November 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

While I am able to find a set that I quite love for each of my guys, the problem is that I am basically able to find just ONE set for each guy. And for a game where pretty is supposed to be the end-game, that's a massive disappointment.

I would much rather have seen A.Net focus on a few options (less races, less classes, ...) and then develop those options better. For instance, as much as I adore norn, I would actually prefer to see GW2 have just humans as a playable race, and then spend all the time, that was spent creating options for the other 4 races, be spent on making humans better. More faces, more hairstyles, more beards, ... and more armour.

Quite indeed. Quality > quantity.

Manaphus, on 07 November 2012 - 01:44 PM, said:

Ye some of them armors are really damn good, I love the way the Mesmer used to be I damn well hope there is some armor like that Eye Of The North Prestige armor lying around in game somewhere

Yes, on my mesmer I had a lot more favourite options! Even in GW: Prophecies!!

Edited by Arquenya, 08 November 2012 - 01:55 PM.

[sty0pa]

Light armor = not slutty enough.


Seriously, though, there are too many armors that share the same model, I'm always disappointed when I preview something from a karma vendor and it looks exactly like what I have on.  /cry.  I always expect karma vendors to offer something interesting.

I'd have loved it if they could have imported the whole suite of armor/clothing styles from GW1.

[Red_Falcon]

The large majority of armors make you look like a clown, I wonder what was the armor designer thinking.
In order to get a good-looking armor you need to mix-match a lot.

[Arquenya]

Red_Falcon, on 08 November 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

The large majority of armors make you look like a clown, I wonder what was the armor designer thinking.

Possibly the same one that invented the "I always regretted that i never performed in the cricus" option in the human character creation mechanic