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#1 musibatkhan

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 12:54 PM

What If GW2 expansions have nothing to do with the dragons?

so hear me out.

the coming event in Nov what if we get to know that Bubbles have emerged from the depths?

What If all the other dragons are introduced like this rather than they having a separate expansion about each one of them like what we have been all expecting till now?

and by the time the first expansion comes out we have dealt with all dragons and go ahead into a new campaign. Just like in GW1 each campaign was about totally something else. Could this be true for GW2 as well?

If yes then that would be great! I would love to get done with fight against the dragons and get on to totally new enemy or threat.

After thinking about it like that i would now hate to play each expansion about each dragon which is so predictable.

what are your thoughts on this?

would you prefer that dragons are dealt with before the first expansion is released and the expansion taking us on a totally another path or would you like each expansion to deal with each of the individual elder dragon threat ....being that straight ahead are 4 expansions just about the elder dragons.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 01:07 PM

Interesting idea.  Yes the thought of every expansion, possibly up to 5 of them having the same basic theme:  kill dragons  baddies then kill dragon would be old by the 3rd or 4th one so some other way to deal with them to me would be welcome.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 01:15 PM

I just hope they quit with the Risen. I hate them!

#4 Waar Kijk Je Naar

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 01:24 PM

Dragons will go back to sleep and 3 words.

Lazarus the Dire.

"Countless generations will suffer!"

#5 Lordkrall

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 01:27 PM

View PostElfen Lied, on 07 November 2012 - 01:15 PM, said:

I just hope they quit with the Risen. I hate them!

The Risen are technically defeated with the death of Zhaitan so most likely we won't see much more of them.

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And yes, I think it would be very possible for them to release Dragons outside of expansions.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 01:30 PM

Would be.... surprisingly

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 01:34 PM

Firstly, I doubt that this incoming content is directly to do with the deep sea dragon, at most it may be a prelude to it.

Secondly, I could see them introducing Jormag, Kral and Primordius as mini expansions/huge content updates, but I'd expect a 2-3 new zones with each one to be honest so it may fit more into an expansion system. Just how much free content are they willing to give, really? However it could be similar to what Rift did with Ember Isle and the subsequent new main dragon boss, along with a new island and relevant content.

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 01:37 PM

View PostSheepski, on 07 November 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

Firstly, I doubt that this incoming content is directly to do with the deep sea dragon, at most it may be a prelude to it.

Secondly, I could see them introducing Jormag, Kral and Primordius as mini expansions/huge content updates, but I'd expect a 2-3 new zones with each one to be honest so it may fit more into an expansion system. Just how much free content are they willing to give, really? However it could be similar to what Rift did with Ember Isle and the subsequent new main dragon boss, along with a new island and relevant content.

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Going by GW:B they did give out more or less full size expansions as free updates. So I would say it is very possible that they might give us quite a few rather big content patches for free.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 01:49 PM

View PostLordkrall, on 07 November 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

Going by GW:B they did give out more or less full size expansions as free updates. So I would say it is very possible that they might give us quite a few rather big content patches for free.

GW:B took place on the same maps/areas as the already bought content. Adding real new content for free was almost never done, exception is SF in prophecies.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 01:52 PM

View Postmusibatkhan, on 07 November 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:

What If GW2 expansions have nothing to do with the dragons?

That is very appealing idea and game seems to be set up that way:

Many other dragons have noticeable presence (there are several Jormag/Svanir themed areas for example, as well as heavy Kralkatoriks presence along with small Primordius one) so at least two expansions would be just extension and rehash of what is already in game

It makes sense to put dragons to ice for some time and focus on other things.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 01:53 PM

View PostGilles VI, on 07 November 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

GW:B took place on the same maps/areas as the already bought content. Adding real new content for free was almost never done, exception is SF in prophecies.

Content != new areas however.
Bubbles could easily take place in already existing areas. Jormag aswell and Kralkatorrik.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 01:57 PM

View PostLordkrall, on 07 November 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

Content != new areas however.
Bubbles could easily take place in already existing areas. Jormag aswell and Kralkatorrik.

I think alot of people would be very underwhelmed then. If those big, scary dragons were added somewhere in the existing map with 3 zones or something.
And honestly I don't see them adding a huge amount of zones with a elder dragon in it for free.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 03:16 PM

View PostLordkrall, on 07 November 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

The Risen are technically defeated with the death of Zhaitan so most likely we won't see much more of them.
I wouldn't be surprised if they removed a bunch of the risen from Orr in a future expansion and turned them into more "normal" maps.  They could leave some around so the story still seems relevant to people who haven't completed it, yet.  Or maybe they would have different versions of the maps that unlock as you progress through the story, sort of like pre and post-searing in GW1.  Once you finish the story, you unlock the risen-less version of Orr.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 03:22 PM

Anything is possible since there is no offical statement about the expansions being tied to dragons. I could see a Tengu expansion, which wouldn't include any dragons, at least.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 03:31 PM

Having a threat that has gotten five years of buildup dealt with even before the first expansion = not a good idea/silly.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 03:34 PM

View Postnilzardo, on 07 November 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

Having a threat that has gotten five years of buildup dealt with even before the first expansion = not a good idea/silly.

Well, that kind of depends on how soon the first expansion comes out.

Edited by Aizea, 07 November 2012 - 03:34 PM.


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Posted 07 November 2012 - 03:37 PM

I think a few dragons might be content patches and the bigger dragons (Primordius being one of them) would ship with an expansion.

I don't think we would get an expansion for each dragon as, well, there is soooo much story and lore that hasn't even been mentioned yet, that has little or no relevance to the dragons.

Don't forget about the mysterious 6th dragon! Could throw a few curve balls into the mix as there is only speculation as to who/what/where it is.

Edited by Velicia, 07 November 2012 - 03:38 PM.


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Posted 07 November 2012 - 03:38 PM

I guess there is two ways it could go with Kralkatorrik;

Either we'll have a free mini-expansion unlocking the Crystal Desert and we'll deal with Kralkatorrik then, opening the way for a true paid-for expansion to take place as you travel through the Crystal Desert into Elona to deal with Palawa Joko (or possibly some other threat, hopefully unrelated to the Dragons).

Or they'll roll the two together, and have an Elonian paid for Expansion that combats the threat of both Kralkatorrik and Joko; Rolling the two together - hopefully with Joko being the final threat (to make a change from the original Guild Wars 2 Campaign, albeit this might be bad seems you'd essentially be fighting undead again at the end of that campaign too then), seems it doesn't really make sense to take out Joko while Kralkatorrik is around as with his undead armies he's the one keeping Kralkatorrik at bay down in Elona (better the villain you know).

I'd actually rather the second possibility, simply because I might not be around for these one-time only world changing free events due to work.


View PostArdeni, on 07 November 2012 - 03:22 PM, said:

Anything is possible since there is no offical statement about the expansions being tied to dragons. I could see a Tengu expansion, which wouldn't include any dragons, at least.
Honestly, I really could see the Tengu expansion being about Cantha, seems the Tengu had such a strong presence there. It would make sense if the expansion was about liberating the Tengu in Cantha from the cruel and xenophobic Emperor of Man there.

It would make sense if the Tengu of Tyria (and as a result their allies in the form of the other playable races in Tyria, letting already existing characters take part in the Campaign too) declared war on the Empire of Cantha for this reason; With your own player-created Tengu character beginning off in the Domain of Winds main Tengu City in Tyria (which would probably also encompass your 1-15 level starting area) and becoming a major player in the army that travels too and ultimately liberates Cantha (which is where the rest of the new zones added by the expansion would be).

You could even have Shing Jea Monsatery being the island fortress of The Pact and essentially the staging point for the attack on Cantha; Becoming the main City for the expansion, seems Shing Jea had always been more liberal with the Tengu and after the events in Winds of Change I guess it'd make sense if the only free Tengu left in Cantha lived on Shing Jea Island, seems the population of the Monastery and it's nearby settlements were far more accepting of the Tengu than the main-land Canthans, and would likely be supportive of the motives behind The Pact Invasion of Cantha.

It would also be a threat that wouldn't be a Dragon (or Undead), which would be nice. I'm sure the Ministry of Purity have become very formidible in 250 years.

Edited by KotCR, 07 November 2012 - 03:56 PM.


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Posted 07 November 2012 - 03:49 PM

I could see them releasing an expansion that sets up for 2 dragons. The first dragon is delt with directly with the box for the expansion, and the second dragon has it's lead up zones introduced with the box, but has the rest (including the fight with it) released through content patches.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 03:54 PM

While it would be a decent idea I can't help but think it would trivialize the other elder dragons. If they do go that route however I would only expect Jormag and Kralkatorrik to be included as we already have a lot of experience with their minions and lieutenants.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:43 PM

I really hope anet deviates from the dragons. I wouldn't mind the occasional fight thrown in there throughout further content (like how jormag affected the quaggan in the vigil storyline). I certainly wouldn't mind killing a dragon in the first third of a new expansion, as long as the story led to something else.
I think it was interesting to see arenanet do the traditional mmo storyline (ish) with the big bad dragon, but I really liked how unconventional GW felt with its more unusual selection of foes.

One thing I'd hate Is to go through a storyline, kill a baddie and have the dragon be controlling him/her or something horrible. I wouldn't mind if the "end of the wOrld" scenario involved the dragons, as long as they're not the primary antagonist - I mean some of the antagonists supposedly presen in Gw2 sound good (wasn't there a charr who wanted tO become god?)

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:51 PM

View Postmusibatkhan, on 07 November 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:

Just like in GW1 each campaign was about totally something else. Could this be true for GW2 as well.

Except it wasn't, looking at it in hindsight all of the campaigns were about Abaddon, even if we didn't know that for certain until nightfall.

In any case I think this would be great, the Elder Dragons are cool but they are just one part to the guild wars universe and there is a lot more going on.

View PostKotCR, on 07 November 2012 - 03:38 PM, said:

Honestly, I really could see the Tengu expansion being about Cantha, seems the Tengu had such a strong presence there. It would make sense if the expansion was about liberating the Tengu in Cantha from the cruel and xenophobic Emperor of Man there.
There's no Tengu left in Cantha, they were all expelled by Emperor Osoku as he removed all non-human races from the land.

Edited by Senatic, 07 November 2012 - 05:01 PM.


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Posted 07 November 2012 - 05:51 PM

View PostSenatic, on 07 November 2012 - 04:51 PM, said:

Except it wasn't, looking at it in hindsight all of the campaigns were retconned to be about Abaddon

Fix'd. More importantly, they sure didn't feel like they were about abbaddon at the time.

Variety or not, my main issue is that the elder dragons aren't really villians. More like rabid animals that have to be put down. At least Anet failed completely at communicating Zhaitan's motivations in any interesting way, he might as well have been The Blob.

Edited by FoxBat, 07 November 2012 - 05:52 PM.


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Posted 07 November 2012 - 05:56 PM

View PostFoxBat, on 07 November 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

Fix'd. More importantly, they sure didn't feel like they were about abbaddon at the time.

Variety or not, my main issue is that the elder dragons aren't really villians. More like rabid animals that have to be put down. At least Anet failed completely at communicating Zhaitan's motivations in any interesting way, he might as well have been The Blob.

That was the one thing that really annoyed me about Nightfall.
I loved the story behind Prophecies and Factions and I felt like my heroic actions were insanely amazing and selfless of me :P.
But Nightfall felt like "Oh hey, by the way, there was absolutely NO way you could have known this..... but.... ABBADDON!"

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 05:57 PM

View PostFoxBat, on 07 November 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

Fix'd. More importantly, they sure didn't feel like they were about abbaddon at the time.

Irrelevant. It's cannon, so for better or worse it doesn't matter. That is the story.

Edited by Senatic, 07 November 2012 - 05:57 PM.


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Posted 07 November 2012 - 05:58 PM

View PostAdam2190, on 07 November 2012 - 03:54 PM, said:

While it would be a decent idea I can't help but think it would trivialize the other elder dragons. If they do go that route however I would only expect Jormag and Kralkatorrik to be included as we already have a lot of experience with their minions and lieutenants.

We have a LOT more experience with Primordius and his minions.. Seeing as how we single handedly killed his Lieutenant and pushed back his awakening some 250 years ago :P. The destroyers just seem to have a bit of a lesser presence on Tyria at the moment, they're still certainly there though!

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 06:01 PM

THere may be multiple dragons in one campaign/expansion, but I don't see all of them coming in the first. One will probably be in the Cantha expansion (assuming the expansions are similar to GW1, which they may not be), but Elona may deal more with Palawa Joko, which I think would be pretty cool.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 06:03 PM

It is an interesting idea. ArenaNet has spent a lot setting up the struggle against the Elder Dragons, I'd rather they didn't give that up. But taking a break from it could indeed be refreshing. I could see them going away from the dragons in Elona, for example, where our "mission" could be to bring down Palawa Joko.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 06:08 PM

View PostTregarde, on 07 November 2012 - 06:03 PM, said:

I could see them going away from the dragons in Elona, for example, where our "mission" could be to bring down Palawa Joko.

Yay, more undead!

In all seriousness, though, I do believe that Palawa Joko would be an interesting candidate for an expansion antagonist. We'll see how it plays out, since I don't think ArenaNet would leave that plot hanging with no resolution.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 06:09 PM

I'd rather see Shiro returning for the third time than another dull dragon, non fightable dragon.

I'd love to see Cantha.
My theory is that Cantha advanced even more than Tyria, they already had Skyscownrs in GW1. Could be some new interesting stuff.
Plus maybe we could rebuild Kurzick/Luxon in order to fight the new "Evil" Emperor.




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