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#1 Ronique

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 02:29 PM

Arenanet should throw in both NA & EU servers into 1 ladder to prevent match ups from feeling stale.

There's a feeling of excitement i get when i see large numbers of people with the same guild tag out that ive never versed.

Imagine SBI vs JQ vs VS

Or

Des vs BG vs AS

Obama make it happen

#2 Treble

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 02:32 PM

We'd get wrecked due to our nonexistent EU coverage.

#3 Ronique

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 02:38 PM

View PostTreble, on 07 November 2012 - 02:32 PM, said:

We'd get wrecked due to our nonexistent EU coverage.

hopefully we would be able to wreck them during SEA time. I see WM pulling more all nighters

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 02:38 PM

It defently is counter intuitive to have split servers in EU and USA/the rest regions and then see that for a server to be succesfull it requires a large amount of players that really was not intended to play in that region.

So it really is a good question if that kind of server structure really make sense.

#5 Dalure

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 02:55 PM

Ronique i like this thread mate i was thinking the same today with all the people complaining with what if we get weeks the same opponents. So ye it would be awesome to see the best server overall;).....as we all can see this will be a 24/7 servers instead of EU times or NA times this will be the future how i see it, cuz what we all are trying to achieve is overall cover and we all will get that (with some dead servers that will get deleted) but still we will have alot of servers left in 1 pool:).....i hope they will do a reset for the rating every 2-3 months(mabye longer 6months) and then we can all try it again to be number 1. So we can match up again, fresh and clean against all servers.

just my 2cents about it.

Edited by Dalure, 07 November 2012 - 03:20 PM.


#6 Juici Fruitz

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:49 AM

The best bit about this idea is the fact both the EU and NA PVP / WVW servers are located at the same venue any way, so in theory it shouldn't be as hard as one might think.

Don't get me wrong there will the logical issues that would need to be over come and what not but would make for some fun and interesting fights :)

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:54 AM

View PostTreble, on 07 November 2012 - 02:32 PM, said:

We'd get wrecked due to our nonexistent EU coverage.
They'd get wrecked due to their nonexistent NA coverage.

:mellow:

#8 xXDeath2UXx

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 03:22 AM

This definitely woulda been ideal at launch because successful WvW requires coverage on all time zones, now however I dunno how this would be possible..

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 05:53 AM

View PostBeastgate, on 08 November 2012 - 02:54 AM, said:

They'd get wrecked due to their nonexistent NA coverage.

:mellow:

NO If they are big enough they will have coverage and they will tear you apart. Europe is a whole is a lot stronger pound for pound when it comes to wvw. DEYS alliance on BG is not even that hardcore compared to most guilds there and not nearly as big.

EU have a lot more wvw guilds then the US!. So they tend to be stronger.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:18 AM

Sounds like there is a disparity between imagination and reality. Even one NA guild ( Ruin ) is causing much anguish on Euro side.

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What you actually mean is you are having a great time hitting walls and doors. Congratulations you have managed to live up to the name of your guild and ruin gaming for GW2 WvWvW european servers altogether with a mass group of people whilst others sleep, Desolation went from a barely high server to full when you moved so you must have took over at least 400 people, to prove what? That you can beat people whilst they are asleep or barely awake on for a bit of fun to be annihilated by 50 or 60 of you freeloaders? Europe is not awake at your prime time as its 3 or 4 in the morning and we do not have oceanic/asian guilds to compensate..So may i say congratulations on the win this week over the top two french servers as you have made people quit the game in disgust on three servers so far, i believe they are emptying too, not your fault i know as its poor design by Arenanet and untalented jerks will take advantage, but it sure is going to be boring for you playing against yourselves..Do the right thing and go back to the states and have a challenge other than doors and prove your a man and not a mouse who nibbles on doors then logs out when others awake before you cost the european community any more players.

So the quote above says that europe is more of a challenge, so why do you not play at your night time then and face us in force, or do i have to link the embarrasing result from the daytime for desolation compared to Vizunah when we are awake?


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:22 AM

Ruin is a very big guild...

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:29 AM

View PostStovokor X, on 08 November 2012 - 06:18 AM, said:

Sounds like there is a disparity between imagination and reality. Even one NA guild ( Ruin ) is causing much anguish on Euro side.
Looks like the Euros are beginning to realize the awesome power of different time zone coverage.

Edited by Beastgate, 08 November 2012 - 06:30 AM.


#13 Twisted Kaos

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 09:19 AM

WvW on EU servers is alot more competative than NA servers. Im from florida and use to play on JQ (NA) at launch, once the ungoldy long q's started to take effect on my patience I xfered to an EU server. I was shocked at how serious these guys take there WvW. Great stuff. Im having alot more fun being on an EU server.

#14 Herr_Gebrechen

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 10:36 AM

The great problem on most eu server is that they lack coverage in many timezones. The have few na players, the russians concentrate on one or two servers with their many timezones and I haven't seen any guild from asia/australia there.
That's why desolation and blacktide start dominating again over servers like vizunah or elona (or far shiverpeaks). The french and german servers have lots of really great wuvwuv guilds but it's almost impossible for them to get guilds onto their servers when you see a DE or FR tag next to the servername

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 01:17 PM

You'd both be pvdooring all the time.  Fun stuff !

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 03:44 PM

I'm a big fan of merging, but the French are throwing a huge fit at the idea on the official forums (funnily enough, the Germans, who'd have more problems filling coverage, don't care as much - or maybe they feel the French are being loud enough for the both of them :P)

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:12 PM

It would be wiser to merge NA and EU servers so that each server has round the clock coverage, would put an end to all this coverage talk.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:15 PM

I have brought this up on the official forums several times. Separating server regions, is a huge mistake. Segregation only breeds problems. If they wanted a 24hr game then they should have allowed guilds to settle where they may. With all the transfers and such, people would have settled into comofortable areas allowing for more competition.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:15 PM

View PostJackiepro, on 08 November 2012 - 04:12 PM, said:

It would be wiser to merge NA and EU servers so that each server has round the clock coverage, would put an end to all this coverage talk.

Agree on this.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 05:21 PM

View PostWaage83, on 08 November 2012 - 05:53 AM, said:

NO If they are big enough they will have coverage and they will tear you apart. Europe is a whole is a lot stronger pound for pound when it comes to wvw. DEYS alliance on BG is not even that hardcore compared to most guilds there and not nearly as big.

EU have a lot more wvw guilds then the US!. So they tend to be stronger.

Some might read this is flamebait but is actually true, those of us into PvP know at least several other guilds.

They only mistake Arenanet made was listing the servers per region, while wanting a constant battlefield. If no server regions had been setup communities had taken it on themself to make unofficial servers and things would've been far more balanced out now.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 05:28 PM

View PostJackiepro, on 08 November 2012 - 04:12 PM, said:

It would be wiser to merge NA and EU servers so that each server has round the clock coverage, would put an end to all this coverage talk.

Simply, Anet failed when doing server split.

If you spli EU/US, you must put IP block. At least for the home server - anything outside WvW would be untouched with guesting.

If you do not want to put Ip blocks, don't split and make international servers.

Splitting US/EU w/o any kind of blocks simply screwed WvW - especially on EU.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 05:33 PM

View PostJackiepro, on 08 November 2012 - 04:12 PM, said:

It would be wiser to merge NA and EU servers so that each server has round the clock coverage, would put an end to all this coverage talk.
If this happens then we call dibs on Vizunah Square.

#23 Danthin

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 05:47 PM

View PostBeastgate, on 08 November 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

If this happens then we call dibs on Vizunah Square.

You would be better off with Arborstone.. pound for pound they are the better of the two french servers in my opinion.
Winners and losers are largely differentiated by their way of thinking.

It means that if you’re thinking tend to be nearer to the Losers approach, it is possible for you to shift yourself back to the Winners way.

All you need is to be 100% honest with yourself, admit that some part of your life needs to be changed and work on it.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 05:49 PM

No, no, no.  If you're merging servers NA-EU then what you do is use a kind of Draft system.  Taking just say the top 9 servers in each as the reasonably serious WvW places you pair the top EU with the 9th US and so on, ending up with 9 servers that are pretty well balanced with each other.  So you'd end up with

Stormbluff Isle + Baruch Bay
Jade Quarry + Miller's Sound
Blackgate + Far Shiverpeaks
Sea of Sorrows + Riverside
Sanctum of Rall + Blacktide
Vizunah Square + Yak's Bend (*HoD being excluded as they have died as a server and from next week will fall into T4/5)
Desolation + Crystal Desert
Arborstone + Tarnished Square
Elona Reach + Isle of Janthir

Hopefully the different prime times means that the servers could cope with the combined populations and I think every one of those server combinations could do a good job against any two others.  The real issue is the language one as I don't think ANet would ever choose to combine two different languages together.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:35 PM

But how could language be an issue when they already combined NA with Asia? Plus, the are many EU guilds who play on NA server.

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Blackgate + Far Shiverpeaks
This would be a force to be reckoned with. If I remember correctly some TA guilds went to FS.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:58 PM

View PostJackiepro, on 08 November 2012 - 04:12 PM, said:

It would be wiser to merge NA and EU servers so that each server has round the clock coverage, would put an end to all this coverage talk.

As has been stated before, there are PVE people too. Merging servers would take a lot of servers way over the population the hardware could handle. Not to mention servers have to be merged in factors of 3. So 3 into one or 1 into 1 three times.

View PostSoulstitchmmo, on 08 November 2012 - 04:15 PM, said:

I have brought this up on the official forums several times. Separating server regions, is a huge mistake. Segregation only breeds problems. If they wanted a 24hr game then they should have allowed guilds to settle where they may. With all the transfers and such, people would have settled into comofortable areas allowing for more competition.

This I agree with. Separating servers into regions was probably a mistake.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 10:11 PM

View PostWaage83, on 08 November 2012 - 05:53 AM, said:

NO If they are big enough they will have coverage and they will tear you apart. Europe is a whole is a lot stronger pound for pound when it comes to wvw. DEYS alliance on BG is not even that hardcore compared to most guilds there and not nearly as big.

EU have a lot more wvw guilds then the US!. So they tend to be stronger.

idk about this because back in GW1... the way i see it was koreans vs the rest of gw population LoL; not to mention most of our Oceanic players in SbI pull an all nighter like nobody's business but will definitely want this to happen just to verify all the speculations hehehhe

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 12:36 PM

View PostDanthin, on 08 November 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

You would be better off with Arborstone.. pound for pound they are the better of the two french servers in my opinion.

I must agree with this, i had more resistance from Arborstone then VS but i understand why both were in the topspots :)
Desolation is just a killerbeast hehe;)

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 04:48 PM

IRON and RUIN are the killers. Without them you'd be T2 again, maybe T3.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 07:52 PM

View PostAetou, on 08 November 2012 - 05:49 PM, said:

No, no, no.  If you're merging servers NA-EU then what you do is use a kind of Draft system.  Taking just say the top 9 servers in each as the reasonably serious WvW places you pair the top EU with the 9th US and so on, ending up with 9 servers that are pretty well balanced with each other.  So you'd end up with

Stormbluff Isle + Baruch Bay


if we at least get half of the EU presence in Baruch Bay, i can honestly say that team SbI will be very difficult to beat imo
Stormbluff Isle is more than willing to accept any EU guilds planning to transfer to NA server and contribute to our WvW coverage... your help and enthusiasm will be greatly appreciated :D




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