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#1 Noirr

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 03:32 PM

Well since many of us have already achieved 80 for some time and have mostly been doing Cursed Shore of Orr for farming either karma or gold or both (dont think there is a better map for this purpose), ive been wondering how is your gold gain hourly around here been? just to compare it to mine and to see if ive been doing well...

as for example ill give my own experience :

I use a full exotic MF set (sup. runes of pirate and one traveler) + Omnoberry Bar + Guild Buffs i am running around 160% MF...

i go with my norn warrior equip GS and Double Axes for good mobility and nice burst aoe damage...

i usually stick to Plinx first Phase and fourth phase - try to pick up Tars and mostly looking map waiting for either Penitent and Shelter events (if an Arah Gates event is announced i go as well)

i just damage tag and leave gladiator - abomination - broodmother and contesters , i almost never do Landing Plynx phase is very bad imo.


from all that i sell all blues and greens - salvage all light whites - tradepost sell rares and crafting items (yellow rares for slowest selling price) get around 6 rares in average per hour...

TL;DR my hourly Cursed Shore of Orr farm gain has been 2.46 gold and 5.6k karma in average (i focus more on mob events for gold gain) hows it been yours i wonder? and is mine good enough?

#2 Waar Kijk Je Naar

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 03:47 PM

Farming at Cathedral of Eternal Radiance ("Lyssa meta event") in Malchor's Leap. Only works if the Priestess has been defeated. Stay around the middle unless smaller events are running.
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~3g - 3,5g per hour from selling monster drops, plus any rare items. On average about 4 rares an hour.

Edited by Waar Kijk Je Naar, 08 November 2012 - 03:48 PM.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:15 PM

I use a full MF set and I usually find a cheap MF consumable and but a ton of them. I also use MF boost since I've got a ton. With those 3 in combination I get 6-7 rares per hour and make 3-5 gold per hour.

I'm sure it would be lower without the MF. boost I don't really keep track of my karma earnings anymore

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:17 PM

I don't even make half of that :(

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 05:36 PM

I should really get a character up to 400 cooking to make Omnoms LOL.

From one nightly Ori run I get enough mats to sell an exotic amulet.  So that's roughly make 1.3 G (after buying ectos), that's with no MF, no consumables, and typically no banners.  I sell and  additional 40s-60s of goods so let's say 1.8G is the baseline.  So 66s gain nightly for about 12G-14G of magic find gear.
You need to farm for 18 days before you make your investment back and start making significant amounts of money.

Compare to dungeon runs with Omnoms which can net up to 1.5G for 4 runs, not counting sales of rare weapons and ectos. (with no MF gear)


Looking at this, the most efficient use of time is to do the Ori/Ancient/Omnomberry blitz through the three zones (do any major events along the way) then switch to dungeons, farming two at a time to collect exotics to either keep, sell, or M. forge per your preferences (the last will not net much money.

A guildie of mine has used this strategy to devastating effect and has collected a lot of gold.  He's also extremely burnt out, so take this advice with a bucket of caution.

Edited by chuckles79, 08 November 2012 - 05:37 PM.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:22 PM

I dont make half of that neither, i do 1 gold in like 2-3 hours, i get like 1 rare per hour... I dont have MF gear, only Orange Chocolate and im a guardian so yeah is hard for me most of the time to get kill recognition. Im using GS.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:29 PM

I do my 20 minute ori run through the 3 zones, then enjoy the game. Nets me 1.2 gold a day, and I still have plenty of time to actually have fun. I never understood how anyone could have fun farming for 6 hours a night, but to each their own :)

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:33 PM

I'm going to level a new character for this purpose tbh. I play a Mesmer and a Guardian, and i'm finding it tricky to farm effectively, despite similar MF levels. I don't want to spend hours doing it, so may as well maximise it.

Edited by Parthis, 08 November 2012 - 06:33 PM.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:35 PM

Amazing... i do 1G/hr + mats doing Plinx... i find really hard to tag monsters fast enough...

No MF (except Sigil of Luck) and, sometimes, i use consumables.

So Lyssa is better than Plinx? How often does the event respawn?

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:41 PM

why not just do 2x fast coe runs? guaranteed 52s + junk (usually 20s worth of it) and a chance for some cool lodestone.

farming orr seems so boring.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:57 PM

If I play alot of hours and mix and match what I do to stay sane you can make 1-3 gold per hour.

Really bugs me that you have to grind to achieve alot of gold in this game, they said they would avoid grind but due to prices and the requirements of some things, say you need hundreds of gold, your looking at over 100 hours of farming even more if you play casually and choose not to grind but to do different things, won't be very efficient but alot less boring and repetitive.

I don't understand how people can repeat the same thing for hundreds of hours to grind gold, I understand why there doing it as its one of the only ways to make enough gold in this game but why Anet thought this was fun I do not understand....

Say your looking at 100 gold goal and all you have to make money is dungeons, ori ore farming, and grinding orr events / mobs. Even if you played 6+ hours a day it would take you weeks or even a month to make that money.

I really dis like the way Anet nerfed anyway or any good way to make money in this game just to make the game last longer.

I can't bring myself to grind and keep repeating stuff since its a requirement for making money or achieving goals such as t3 racial armor or legendary's it really puts me off playing the game, especially when after all those hours playing, you just see awesome looking skins and armor for a one click buy or gambling RNG in the gem store, which makes all that grinding feel completely pointless and worthless.

Starting to think this is not the GW2 I was looking forward to and I find myself playing less and less and turning to other games.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 07:29 PM

all I m gonna say is "GRENTH". And depending on the type of people doing the event or how incompetent they are you can make A LOT of money especially in a group of 5 decent players. On a bad grenth DE (no failures) I can make between .70-1.20g (on a good day), not including rares or salvage matters (fur). And on a really super awesome DE ( with lots of failures depending on where the failure occurs) I can make even more. Usually I end up losing drops because I am out of inventory (i need more space).

View PostEon Lilu, on 08 November 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

Starting to think this is not the GW2 I was looking forward to and I find myself playing less and less and turning to other games.

The sooner you accept that basic concept the much happier your life might be, SINCE you seem to be whining about EVERYTHING. Right now you are still at stage one of grief, which is denial.

Guild wars 2 is just one game. if it is not a game you enjoy why force yourself into playing said game? I like guild wars 2, but I still play other games, an MMO is not a relationship. It is not cheating to play another thing or even admit you just don't like the game and move on.

Edited by Specialz, 08 November 2012 - 07:31 PM.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 07:33 PM

View PostEon Lilu, on 08 November 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

If I play alot of hours and mix and match what I do to stay sane you can make 1-3 gold per hour.

Really bugs me that you have to grind to achieve alot of gold in this game, they said they would avoid grind but due to prices and the requirements of some things, say you need hundreds of gold, your looking at over 100 hours of farming even more if you play casually and choose not to grind but to do different things, won't be very efficient but alot less boring and repetitive.

I don't understand how people can repeat the same thing for hundreds of hours to grind gold, I understand why there doing it as its one of the only ways to make enough gold in this game but why Anet thought this was fun I do not understand....

Say your looking at 100 gold goal and all you have to make money is dungeons, ori ore farming, and grinding orr events / mobs. Even if you played 6+ hours a day it would take you weeks or even a month to make that money.

I really dis like the way Anet nerfed anyway or any good way to make money in this game just to make the game last longer.

I can't bring myself to grind and keep repeating stuff since its a requirement for making money or achieving goals such as t3 racial armor or legendary's it really puts me off playing the game, especially when after all those hours playing, you just see awesome looking skins and armor for a one click buy or gambling RNG in the gem store, which makes all that grinding feel completely pointless and worthless.

Starting to think this is not the GW2 I was looking forward to and I find myself playing less and less and turning to other games.

View PostSpecialz, on 08 November 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

The sooner you accept that basic concept the much happier your life might be, SINCE you seem to be whining about EVERYTHING. Right now you are still at stage one of grief, which is denial.

Guild wars 2 is just one game. if it is not a game you enjoy why force yourself into playing said game? I like guild wars 2, but I still play other games, an MMO is not a relationship. It is not cheating to play another thing or even admit you just don't like the game and move on. Looking forward to something doesn't

What you call whining, others call expressing there opinion that is different to yours, I give positive feedback on official forums, I give my negative and neutrel feedback and opinions here on guru because here they don't delete the topics or close them for no reason, on official forums they do and they also ban you for temp time for negative feedback...

If I see something I do not like about the game or something I disagree with im going to talk about it whether you like or not. I disagree with the majority of what you say but do I call you whining or tell you how to think?

No. So please don't try it with me. Thanks.

I am not in denial about the game I am simply going by the demo I played at game shows, the devolepment and what arena net said for the 5+ years I followed it and the 5+ years I played GW1 for, plus other things research etc, it just is not the game alot of people were expecting and not the game Arena Net seemed to put across from day one, it's been made into something else, still an awesome game just not what they said they would deliver. To ignore that and pretend it doesn't exist would be kind of diluding oneself and being in denial as you say. To me it seems like there artificially creating more grind in the game to make it last longer and take longer to achieve players goals. Then they add better skins in the gem store and RNG lottery bags so by artificially creating more grind in the game they push players to the gem store for instant achievement.

Hopefully making gold will be less of a huge grind now that there starting to tackle botters and hackers alot more, meaning market prices are going up to semi normal levels and things are actually worth something like there suppose to be, instead of the economy being broken and 99% of everything in the game is worth more at the merchant than the open market.

Which is probably the biggest issues at the moment, the economy, botters and hackers.

Without market trading and not counting the days you get incredibly lucky drops, on average you can make anything from 1-3 gold an hour or if you play alot even up to 5-10 gold a day, just doing a few dungeons, running ori ore farm, doing orr events and some other things.

Edited by Eon Lilu, 08 November 2012 - 07:55 PM.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 07:36 PM

You can easily make 2.5g/hour in orr just off vendor drops. Calculate the money you make from TPing all your breakdown mats (anything worth less than x coppers gets broken down), selling bags (or opening them to sell mats), and selling the ectos you get from rares and your profit per hour sky rockets. When I'm there to make gold thats exactly what I do. No point in hoarding all the drops you get unless you have some good insider info on market swings.

Edited by Pysgasm, 08 November 2012 - 07:37 PM.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 08:01 PM

View PostEon Lilu, on 08 November 2012 - 07:33 PM, said:

What you call whining, others call expressing there opinion that is different to yours, I give positive feedback on official forums, I give my negative and neutrel feedback and opinions here on guru because here they don't delete the topics or close them for no reason, on official forums they do and they also ban you for temp time for negative feedback...


What you said is somewhat true, we all have different opinions that is what makes us different. And providing constructive criticism is always important for the good of the game.

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Starting to think this is not the GW2 I was looking forward to and I find myself playing less and less and turning to other games.

My statement was in a direct response to this line. Looking at your post history and combine with this statement you clearly are not enjoying the game. I am just suggesting that if the game is not what you THOUGHT it would be, then no point in playing a game that you seem to have a lot of issues with. Instead of constantly whining how how much you are enjoying the game less and less how about you go play another game. Go on the official forum make your post (list all the issues you have and hope they implemented), instead of crying how you are playing less and less which is a normal thing to do if you don't enjoy the something.

Edited by Specialz, 08 November 2012 - 08:02 PM.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 08:09 PM

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, they said they would avoid grind

You keep lying about this, but this is still wrong and does not become true regardless how often you repeat it.

Fact; All they said was that they were going to cut mandatory grind. Such as the one in warcraft, where you cannot just sit out a raid tier. They said from the beginning that optional grind would definitely be in.

And the only one making you do it is YOU.
I for one have done plinx exactly one time. I will never grind, and I do not have to. Oddly, I can already afford a whole lot of stuff. :> So, as I prove, grind ain't needed. At all. Only thing I can't afford right now is a legendary, and that's meant to be a longterm goal to begin with.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 08:58 PM

I do Plinx and everything in the immediate area of Plinx . I fight the abomination by the base, the broodmother, and the arena. I occasionally do the tar elementals. I run with my elementalist with no mf except for raspberry bars which I don't always use. I do all events fully and go all out until they are done, use staff and often switch to a healing/cc role as needed, though I use my aoe to full advantage otherwise. I salvage all whites and use black lion kits for the yellows, and vendor the blues and greens and haven't sold any of the crafting mats. I kill anything I find along the way. I always try to run with a group.

My average take per hour is 1.33 gold. I am not sure how much karma, but it is a lot. The first time I did this run I got 12 yellows in an hour (as measured by raspberry bar cd) but have never gotten anywhere near this since then. More like 2 to 3 rares an hour with most of them being traveler's weapons of air. Some people suggested my high drop rate on yellows the first time out may have been due to being in a high magic find group, so that might be something to consider.

..and yeah, you do have to grind in this game to get what you want, which for me is full exotics for all my toons and 18-slot bags. Anyone who says otherwise isn't being truthful.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 09:18 PM

I've done the farming thing featuring events with lots of mobs and tagging everything possible.  Trolls in frostgore usually works out pretty well especially if you can benefit from crafting.  This stuff works and it's something I recommend to people who have no other way to generate revenue.

I can't say that I enjoy that kind of thing, so what I do is blast my 3 80's thur the 3 zones with T6 mats gathering all I can, including gathering T5 stuff.  I craft yellows to break for ectos with the T5 crap (have to buy some T5 crafitng rares, prices vary, and have started to suck).  I usually have to buy T6 rare stuff but that's not so bad.  I craft and sell 2-3 exotic weapons per day.  I have all 8 crafting profs at 400 so I can sell whatever has the highest margin at the moment (I also make stuff for guildies/friends to sell if they're not too lazy to figure out and send mats).

So it takes me ~30 minutes per character to do all 3 zones (I kind of jot down the route I want once nodes are known, and using www.orrmaps.com/server/<yourserver> or the like means I no longer spend extra time finding the nodes myself after bounces.  Since nodes move with every bounce some routes end up being quicker than others.

I made up a spreadsheet yesterday to compare just selling mats vs selling weapons and there is extra profit in selling the weapons for minimal extra effort (most of the time investment is in gathering which you'd do either way).

Dunno the exact profit per hour but it's nice gains for minimal time vs farming events for hours.  I always run with MF food, tag events along the way (to work towards daily), and usually do 2 of the 3 runs with guildies/friends (more killing, extra loot) so it's marginally social too and we all profit.

The biggest annoying to me in all of this is that IMO you should not be able to gather in combat.  The a-holes dragging 10 mobs all around the zone and intentionally (or even unintentionally) dumping them on other people (like me) is getting old.  The way this works with how stupid aggro works (a-hole pulls 10 monbs and half or more peel off to other people sort of in range how have nothing to do with it) is pretty lame.

My crew and I tend to "play nice" - we don't drag mobs onto people, we kill stuff if we aggro it and it might jump to others, and we try to avoid intentally being a-holes.  This USED to be the general spirt of GW2.  No longer.  Orr is full of subhumans who treat everyone else like crap - typical selfish and bratty MMO punks.  It seemed like ANet's design helped to combat that but stuff like their aggro mechanism and being able to gather in combat are amatuer and pitiful design that go completely against everything else in the game.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 12:40 AM

Focusing karma gain at the moment; so around 21k karma with full buffs and just under 1g when factoring in gem costs. Excludes any yellows/ectos/400 mats got.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 12:46 AM

Well the only Orr farm Ive done was the dynamic event zerg in straits and Ive only done that about 3 times. Between all of those times I only found 1 exoctic and maybe a few rares but thats with guild and banner boosts only. Also I make about 10k karma per hour because my guild has a huge karma buff, plus banners, plus karma boosters that I have loads of. I also make like half a gold maybe off of junk.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 08:23 AM

View PostSpecialz, on 08 November 2012 - 08:01 PM, said:

What you said is somewhat true, we all have different opinions that is what makes us different. And providing constructive criticism is always important for the good of the game.

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My statement was in a direct response to this line. Looking at your post history and combine with this statement you clearly are not enjoying the game. I am just suggesting that if the game is not what you THOUGHT it would be, then no point in playing a game that you seem to have a lot of issues with. Instead of constantly whining how how much you are enjoying the game less and less how about you go play another game. Go on the official forum make your post (list all the issues you have and hope they implemented), instead of crying how you are playing less and less which is a normal thing to do if you don't enjoy the something.

Your obviously not bothering to fully read my responces as it clearly says I post positive feedback on official forums, and again you do the typical responce of "stop whining and go play something else". You got issues dude.

I am enjoying the game still but if I see flaws in the game il give feedback, suggestions and I will discuss it, people like you seem to have issues with others giving there opinions that don't agree with you or arena net or some things in the game, so you post responces like quit whining and go play something else....sure that would be great for the game if everyone did that, who didn't like something or had different ideas about the game they wanted to express just leave the game and dont play or give feedback, arena net should only here positive and nothing else and everyone else should just shut the hell up and f*** off....is basically what your saying, you sir need to grow the hell up and go troll some other topic.

As said before hopefully the prices raising on certain more common items that should be rare and more hackers, botters being dealt with means that making money should be easier, crafting might actually start to be worth it and the economy might become a little better.

View PostEon Lilu, on 08 November 2012 - 07:33 PM, said:

What you call whining, others call expressing there opinion that is different to yours, I give positive feedback on official forums, I give my negative and neutrel feedback and opinions here on guru because here they don't delete the topics or close them for no reason, on official forums they do and they also ban you for temp time for negative feedback...

If I see something I do not like about the game or something I disagree with im going to talk about it whether you like or not. I disagree with the majority of what you say but do I call you whining or tell you how to think?

No. So please don't try it with me. Thanks.

I am not in denial about the game I am simply going by the demo I played at game shows, the devolepment and what arena net said for the 5+ years I followed it and the 5+ years I played GW1 for, plus other things research etc, it just is not the game alot of people were expecting and not the game Arena Net seemed to put across from day one, it's been made into something else, still an awesome game just not what they said they would deliver. To ignore that and pretend it doesn't exist would be kind of diluding oneself and being in denial as you say. To me it seems like there artificially creating more grind in the game to make it last longer and take longer to achieve players goals. Then they add better skins in the gem store and RNG lottery bags so by artificially creating more grind in the game they push players to the gem store for instant achievement.

Hopefully making gold will be less of a huge grind now that there starting to tackle botters and hackers alot more, meaning market prices are going up to semi normal levels and things are actually worth something like there suppose to be, instead of the economy being broken and 99% of everything in the game is worth more at the merchant than the open market.

Which is probably the biggest issues at the moment, the economy, botters and hackers.

Without market trading and not counting the days you get incredibly lucky drops, on average you can make anything from 1-3 gold an hour or if you play alot even up to 5-10 gold a day, just doing a few dungeons, running ori ore farm, doing orr events and some other things.

Edited by Eon Lilu, 09 November 2012 - 08:33 AM.


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Posted 09 November 2012 - 09:34 AM

I also wonder what classes people are playing. I find that the ability to tag mobs before they're "devoured by the zerg" differs a lot for every class.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 09:42 AM

So I'm playing 80 Warrior and have been in cursed shore around 30 hours griding karma. I stick to the top region doing plinx, arena, tar, brood, champion, jofast, penitent, shelter and the historian when she plops. I've usually make between 1-2 gold there and 10K karma approx. I always run in group of 5 people to tag as many enemies possible.

But yesterday when I got there and started farming, nearly no drops at all. I only got one third of what I used to get or even less. Normally from a round of plinx, tar etc I used to get alot of blues, 6-10 greens and 2 rares. Yesterday I only got 2 greens and blues. I've read that they applied some change to make unidentified dyes drop more(and then they changed it back someone told me)but I havmt read something about lower droprate on other stuff.
I also had the fealing that the mobs had much lesser hp and maybe that was the reason I didnt get many hits on them before they died. Im not sure about this theory so if someone can verify anything about this it would be awesome. Couse I was kinda frustarted yesterday

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 10:18 AM

View PostEon Lilu, on 08 November 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:


Really bugs me that you have to grind to achieve alot of gold in this game, they said they would avoid grind but due to prices and the requirements of some things, say you need hundreds of gold, your looking at over 100 hours of farming even more if you play casually and choose not to grind but to do different things, won't be very efficient but alot less boring and repetitive.

I can't bring myself to grind and keep repeating stuff since its a requirement for making money or achieving goals such as t3 racial armor or legendary's it really puts me off playing the game

This is where your own misunderstanding of Anet's intent has caused you to feel bitter towards the game.

Anet have eliminated a lot of the standard grind from their MMO, to get to 80 you really don't have to grind at all, with the only thing that comes close being Heart Quests, and then you can stack these with events to make them much faster.

You only need to truly grind if you want the optional gear.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 12:23 PM

I much rather "farm" in frostgorge sound. Playing in a zone with some color is a wonderful thing. Even if it's white

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 12:56 PM

View PostFluent Fox, on 09 November 2012 - 10:18 AM, said:

You only need to truly grind if you want the optional gear.

Way to chorus the party line...

Optional as in advance or not.  Kind of overlooks the fact it is a social game.  Exotics and better give status in a social game.
Not striving to improve your status is like giving up at the social aspect of the game.

Nice try.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 02:30 PM

View PostArquenya, on 09 November 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

I also wonder what classes people are playing. I find that the ability to tag mobs before they're "devoured by the zerg" differs a lot for every class.

My main is a mesmer, but I levelled up 2 alt warriors to 80 (a third one coming soon) just for event farming and node mining.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 03:13 PM

View Postbeadnbutter32, on 09 November 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

Way to chorus the party line...

Optional as in advance or not.  Kind of overlooks the fact it is a social game.  Exotics and better give status in a social game.
Not striving to improve your status is like giving up at the social aspect of the game.

Nice try.

So your social life requires a big car?

Status is only part of a social game, and if you ask me, not even a very important factor. I guess the way we're fed commercial advertising and our current political focus on economic growth has made it difficult to make a difference between status in life and happiness.

Now stability might be an important factor in which money might play a role. And most of us will take pleasure in having status. It is a myth though, that status is gained only by economic success. In the end happiness will probably come down to how you view your own life. Passing important things such as knowledge, imagination, wisdom and kindness off while focusing on something like wealth and thereon projected status means you miss out on a lot life has to offer.

#29 Arquenya

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 03:20 PM

View PostFluent Fox, on 09 November 2012 - 10:18 AM, said:

Anet have eliminated a lot of the standard grind from their MMO, to get to 80 you really don't have to grind at all, with the only thing that comes close being Heart Quests, and then you can stack these with events to make them much faster.
You only need to truly grind if you want the optional gear.
Don't know what you understand as optional. Dugeon gear? Exotics? T3?
As a former GW player I expected to get "best gear" (in this case exotic) rather easily, like Drok max stat stuff.
Well it isn't.

Next to that: what's grind? Grind is repeating dull content just for the result. Otherwise it's not grind; after all there's even content without extrinsic rewards that players do, just for fun.
May as well conclude that some people find most "rewarding" activities not that much fun, or ( r ) .. ?

Edited by Arquenya, 09 November 2012 - 03:20 PM.


#30 Specialz

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 03:46 PM

View PostArquenya, on 09 November 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

Don't know what you understand as optional. Dugeon gear? Exotics? T3?
As a former GW player I expected to get "best gear" (in this case exotic) rather easily, like Drok max stat stuff.
Well it isn't.

Next to that: what's grind? Grind is repeating dull content just for the result. Otherwise it's not grind; after all there's even content without extrinsic rewards that players do, just for fun.
May as well conclude that some people find most "rewarding" activities not that much fun, or ( r ) .. ?

You expected, is the keyword. First of all Drok gear was only ez if you had gold. when I hit 20 back in 2005 I did not have enough platinum or even mats to get drok for a while long while. Actually, I got a full set significantly faster in guild wars 2 than in GW1 because I level crafting.

I think the issue with people like you is that you expected guild wars 2 to be like guild wars 1, while the evidence including game mechanics and developer information pointed to it being more like WOW based and the guild wars 2 being only a sequel via lore. Compared to WoW or any of its clone gearing up in guild wars 2 is EZ as pie. I mean even getting t3 is far easier than getting vabbian or even any of the elite armor in guild wars 1.




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