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[Mixology]

Soulstitchmmo, on 08 November 2012 - 10:56 PM, said:

Once EU and NA servers are Merged (or NA/EU guilds realize that they are all the same datacenter) coverage will be more spread, and even. Guess what that means? Skill/Organization will win matches.

It's pretty close to that point now. There is far less pvd going on than people like to admit. Full server means people just aren't showing up to fight.

so when blackgate defeated JQ last week, it was our skill and organization and not the fact that we had a much larger EU team and many of your NA pugs didn't show up?  okay

[Soulstitchmmo]

PunNyJR, on 08 November 2012 - 11:30 PM, said:

what make JQ guys think they earn the spot more than Bg .... they also got stomped last week and disappeared and it was only BG and SBI.

and this week they are no where close to SBI neither....

JQ has been a tier 1 server since launch. It was one of the 4 tier 1 servers pre-HoD. (technically ET was in 4th place)

[PunNyJR]

that doesn't mean u should be T1 imao   ur performing is no where different from Bg or close to current SBI.

last week we were no 2 and lost Sbi by 30k. This week JQ is no2 and losing Sbi by 50k+.

i dont say bg should earn spot w/e but JQ is no where different .....

Edited by PunNyJR, 08 November 2012 - 11:46 PM.

[Dark]

PunNyJR, on 08 November 2012 - 11:44 PM, said:

that doesn't mean u should be T1 imao   ur performing is no where different from Bg or close to current SBI.

last week we were no 2 and lost Sbi by 30k. This week JQ is no2 and losing Sbi by 50k+.

i dont say bg should earn spot w/e but JQ is no where different .....

I consider JQ to be way better actually (Personal opinion). Just cuz they dont burn out in 2 weeks. They can put up a fight.

[PunNyJR]

Dark, on 08 November 2012 - 11:52 PM, said:

I consider JQ to be way better actually (Personal opinion). Just cuz they dont burn out in 2 weeks. They can put up a fight.

i could be wrong but last 2 weeks i heard they gave up once Wm rushed to no1 and last week when Bg was gonna win they also gave up.

Bg just got lost this week.

[Soulstitchmmo]

PunNyJR, on 08 November 2012 - 11:55 PM, said:

i could be wrong but last 2 weeks i heard they gave up once Wm rushed to no1 and last week when Bg was gonna win they also gave up.

Bg just got lost this week.

I guess we'll see this next week if BG deserves to be in T1 ,or if they just benefited from an elevated ELO from facerolling through tiers.

[bieberfanxoxo]

Soulstitchmmo, on 08 November 2012 - 10:39 PM, said:

BG didn't earn it's spot in T1, it got handed it's spot. SoS is earning it's spot.

Rich coming from JQ, the server handed a tier 1 win and now think they're something amazing.

The thing is, imo at least, JQ are as undeserving as you think BG are. If all your claims about EC and JQ only playing for 2nd or whatever are true, regardless of whether or not they're better than BG, why does a server not aiming to be number one deserve a top tier spot?

The IoJ/SBI/JQ matchup was close an intense for almost all of it because everyone wanted to win at the start. From this weeks matchup it's been the same boring HoD style tier 1 with servers accepting defeat pre matchup and just attacking whatever or ganging up on the weakest without then switching to stop escaping leads. Maybe no server can match SBI in oceanic timezone but when it hits NA, why do they still spend most of it in the lead? They should be locked down and having to play catch up when they have coverage.

The WvW is fun and score doesn't bother me at all but if you're basing tier one off who "deserves" it and all this other rubbish then I say SBI, give SoS a shot and who knows, maybe SoR..? No other tier 1&2 server seems to want first bad enough.

[Global_GW2]

Soulstitchmmo, on 08 November 2012 - 11:59 PM, said:

I guess we'll see this next week if BG deserves to be in T1 ,or if they just benefited from an elevated ELO from facerolling through tiers.

I don't get you Stitch. Sometimes you have some solid observations and sometimes it's like you're playing a different game.

A few factoids ...

BG was the red server in a T2 match 4 weeks ago against SBI and IoJ, where BG took 3rd, just 9k points behind IoJ, which was BEFORE the HoD, ET and the majority of EU transfers. Due to a big jump by CD that week, BG dropped to the green server in T3. It was the Friday of that T3 match when most of the transfers came in.

Yes the next 2 matches were curbstomps, but that does not discount BG's move into T1 as a legitimate T1 contender (at that time).

BG took 2nd last week, with 25k over JQ by the final. If BG didn't earn T1, or hadn't yet proven to be in T1, how did that happen?

Edited by Global_GW2, 09 November 2012 - 12:18 AM.

[Soulstitchmmo]

Global_GW2, on 09 November 2012 - 12:17 AM, said:

I don't get you Stitch. Sometimes you have some solid observations and sometimes it's like you're playing a different game.

A few factoids ...

BG was the red server in a T2 match 4 weeks ago against SBI and IoJ, where BG took 3rd, just 9k points behind IoJ, which was BEFORE the HoD, ET and the majority of EU transfers. Due to a big jump by CD that week, BG dropped to the green server in T3. It was the Friday of that T3 match when most of the transfers came in.

Yes the next 2 matches were curbstomps, but that does not discount BG's move into T1 as a legitimate T1 contender (at that time).

BG took 2nd last week, with 25k over JQ by the final. If BG didn't earn T1, or hadn't yet proven to be in T1, how did that happen?

BG received an elevated ELO because of the curbstomping (much like JQ did when it first one T1) so it gets to sit in T1 another week. If it hadn't been for that elevated ELO, BG would be back down in T2.

My reasoning is that JQ/SBI has been a T1 server since launch. Week after week, T1 quality. The perserverance is there. BG did well one week, then dropped off the map for whatever reason. (trust me I know JQ is suffering the same fate, but it has proven it has the staying power).

If it weren't for elevated ELO BG will have dropped out. This next week, we will get to see BG's staying power. If it's willing to show everyone (as a server) the fighting spirit it launched into T1 with, or will it waiver and continue it's decline into a comfortable t2 server?

[crowea]

SoS has had to work hard to be ahead in T2. http://mos.millenium...servers/view/37

IoJ, SoR or SoS could all take T2, especially now we are getting to know each other so well.

Edited by crowea, 09 November 2012 - 12:33 AM.

[zj12345]

Soulstitchmmo, on 09 November 2012 - 12:27 AM, said:

BG received an elevated ELO because of the curbstomping (much like JQ did when it first one T1) so it gets to sit in T1 another week. If it hadn't been for that elevated ELO, BG would be back down in T2.

My reasoning is that JQ/SBI has been a T1 server since launch. Week after week, T1 quality. The perserverance is there. BG did well one week, then dropped off the map for whatever reason. (trust me I know JQ is suffering the same fate, but it has proven it has the staying power).

If it weren't for elevated ELO BG will have dropped out. This next week, we will get to see BG's staying power. If it's willing to show everyone (as a server) the fighting spirit it launched into T1 with, or will it waiver and continue it's decline into a comfortable t2 server?

Not quite technically. Both SBI and JQ has bounced to T2 before when HoD was around.

[Global_GW2]

Soulstitchmmo, on 09 November 2012 - 12:27 AM, said:

If it weren't for elevated ELO BG will have dropped out. This next week, we will get to see BG's staying power. If it's willing to show everyone (as a server) the fighting spirit it launched into T1 with, or will it waiver and continue it's decline into a comfortable t2 server?

Okay I see the point you were trying to make now. Honestly, I don't know now what BG will bring this week. Our NA crew seems to be hurting at the moment. Participation in WvW has been slowing for a few weeks now, and one of the core founding BG guilds focused on WvW has retired from the game, although their active player base had been dwindling over the past few weeks. Something tells me that there were a chunk of NA players that were continuing to WvW just to get back to T1. With that accomplished they ran out of interest left in continuing to play, especially after having the wind swept out of our sails by the SBI comeback last week.

My take, which I think was your point ... BG earned a T1 spot legitimately, and was competitive last week but ran out of steam this week. If it were not for the elevated rating jump acquired in the BGvHoDvET match, we would have dropped to T2 this week, which may very well be where BG should be right now.

Thankfully, while I enjoy forum warrioring and theorizing on all this stuff, I ultimately don't care where BG is, as long as I can log in and have some fun ... and not get focus fired by LoD's 2-Hander Charr Warrior army of doom.

[LilMcGinley]

I'm kind of happy T2 is staying the same. Although the score doesn't show it, we have tough fights ALL the time during NA primetime. TL/IDOL brings it, SoR's zerg is pretty friggin redic. We still have lots to learn from one another and I'm beyond happy we get another week to duke it out.

[Zuffy]

Soulstitchmmo, on 08 November 2012 - 10:39 PM, said:

That's why SoS in T1 is better over all. BG didn't earn it's spot in T1, it got handed it's spot. SoS is earning it's spot. Will be a change in dynamic. And I fear next week will be a repeat of this week across the board, the winner being determined by the boredom of it's regular WvW'ers.

You know without JQ in T1 it would be alot funner, since you truly cant stand up to SBI or BG, you just 2v1 to stay T1. I hope SoS comes up and replaces you in the coming weeks.. 0 respect

[Beastgate]

Blackgate did deserve to be in tier 1. They did very well at the start of last week's matchup and were first by a significant margin during the first 4 days. I don't mind that they have another shot next week, their big euro push two days ago proves they still have some fight left in them.

[Stovokor X]

if Blackgate are putting some great last ditch effort to stay in T1, maybe they will ramp it up next week. With War Machine supposedly taking a break there would be no better opportunity to take down SBi.

Either way I hope the fights are week long in most tiers

Edited by Stovokor X, 09 November 2012 - 06:00 AM.

[Ricoz]

I have a very bad feeling for next week match. I predict T1 would be JQ > SBI > BG. Call it the manly intuition.

[Treble]

Ricoz, on 09 November 2012 - 02:37 PM, said:

I have a very bad feeling for next week match. I predict T1 would be JQ > SBI > BG. Call it the manly intuition.

I wouldn't mind. Would help us shed the bandwagon and drop it off to one of the others.

[fatality39]

As someone who was privy to the 2v1 coordination against BG, I can tell you for a fact if BG doesn't move down, the plan is going to be to go full tilt 2v1 this week to make sure BG is gone.

Soulstitchmmo, on 08 November 2012 - 10:56 PM, said:

Once EU and NA servers are Merged (or NA/EU guilds realize that they are all the same datacenter) coverage will be more spread, and even. Guess what that means? Skill/Organization will win matches.

It's pretty close to that point now. There is far less pvd going on than people like to admit. Full server means people just aren't showing up to fight.

Dev posted your inquiry on official forums and said this will never happen.   This game will continue to bleed anyhow.  Free 2 play is free to leave.

Edited by fatality39, 09 November 2012 - 03:18 PM.

[fatality39]

Soulstitchmmo, on 09 November 2012 - 12:27 AM, said:

BG received an elevated ELO because of the curbstomping (much like JQ did when it first one T1) so it gets to sit in T1 another week. If it hadn't been for that elevated ELO, BG would be back down in T2.

My reasoning is that JQ/SBI has been a T1 server since launch. Week after week, T1 quality. The perserverance is there. BG did well one week, then dropped off the map for whatever reason. (trust me I know JQ is suffering the same fate, but it has proven it has the staying power).

If it weren't for elevated ELO BG will have dropped out. This next week, we will get to see BG's staying power. If it's willing to show everyone (as a server) the fighting spirit it launched into T1 with, or will it waiver and continue it's decline into a comfortable t2 server?

Remember guys, this is the guy that helped us build JQ from the start.(wait, WHAT!?)

Treble, on 09 November 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

You're a horrible troll. I honestly don't think I know anyone who takes you seriously.

And you are in denial with the SBI propaganda.  Original JQ player here.  Again, believe what you want.  It doesn't matter because WvW shows zero with regards to skill/strategy and winning.  NONE.   It's all about coverage.  Get over yourself and admit it because it's fact.  Keep thinking your somethng.  I guarantee if they ever get guild v. guild going people like you won't even sniff the top without a carry.

Edited by fatality39, 09 November 2012 - 03:32 PM.

[Wotah]

Union, on 08 November 2012 - 09:56 PM, said:

Nothing personal, brother.

I know, but man you guys hurt.  Same thing last night.  Tried a group of us a few times to go in different areas.  You should have heard our Vent the expletives were flying.  All good times.  

[fatality39]

Please post away.  All 10 BG attacking you, while JQ coordinated with those 10.  I enjoy good screenshots, especially from an SBI propagandist.   Wish JQ had the numbers to actually go up against SBI, but again a server wins on numbers alone.

[Lady Lisz]

honestly, the last 3-4 days i was playing WvW...  i only see 1 BG yak sniper from time to time, the rest are all JQ invaders; EB is where mostly the action is but even there, BG has no presence at times... so the 2v1 thing wasnt really there twas JQ vs SbI. The first 2-3 days for sure is different but the rest of the week some might be doing dungeons, pve and alt leveling instead .. unless, BG comes up with something for the rest of us to be interested to stay and majorly play for the whole week in WvW

[Wotah]

Waage83, on 09 November 2012 - 03:32 PM, said:

We had the JQ zerg to the right and the SBI zerg to the west. We kept fighting them and wiping them over and over again  This is the 3rd night in a row that has happened.

What i do not get is why you do not hit the southern target's. It is wide open, Easy to sneak into and you can make the other side vulnerable and get some great fights. That never happens.

You're in your own borderlands, what did you expect to happen?

[Ricoz]

Waage83, on 09 November 2012 - 03:32 PM, said:

I do not care about winning. You win your enemy goes away and have fewer numbers, IF i dominate i will sit like in Tier 2 doing PvE for a week. I will be BORED!!. It is not about fair play or any stupid notions as that. It is about what is smart.

At the end of the night yesterday 5 of us stayed on for another hour or 2 to have some fun after we called it quits after wiping FIRE a few times. (You are good, but you need a bit more discipline). We Where holding overlook and a few towers in BG and that was it.

We had the JQ zerg to the right and the SBI zerg to the west. We kept fighting them and wiping them over and over again  This is the 3rd night in a row that has happened.

What i do not get is why you do not hit the southern target's. It is wide open, Easy to sneak into and you can make the other side vulnerable and get some great fights. That never happens.

IF you wan't a better match up then you two have to play better matches against one another. Now for that NA should fight harder. YEAH they should, but i am not in charge of that and i am not sitting up all night to lead them into battle. I am getting to dam old for that.

Sorry man but you need to learn to respect your enemies as well. I have nothing against you personally but the way some of you DEYS and BG talks in forum is so egoistic its hard to imagine how you guys wonder why you are ever 2v1ed. I do not know bout the rest of SBI and JQ but if score is not an issue my friends would rather hit BG then JQ because of how condescending you guys are.

[Beastgate]

Lady Lisz, on 09 November 2012 - 05:01 PM, said:

honestly, the last 3-4 days i was playing WvW...  i only see 1 BG yak sniper from time to time, the rest are all JQ invaders; EB is where mostly the action is but even there, BG has no presence at times... so the 2v1 thing wasnt really there twas JQ vs SbI. The first 2-3 days for sure is different but the rest of the week some might be doing dungeons, pve and alt leveling instead .. unless, BG comes up with something for the rest of us to be interested to stay and majorly play for the whole week in WvW

Yeah back when I was on Blackgate it would just be me on the whole map sometimes. I'd yell in team chat if there was anyone else and no one would respond. So the only thing I could do is attack yaks, but SBI is really dedicated, even if there are no enemies on the map they will still escort yaks. Depressing times, which is why my guild transferred.

[Vihar]

I predict the usual conspiracy theories and stuff, and that the T1 scores will be much closer between JQ and SBI since SBI has a slightly weaker coverage next week.

   Hard to say for BG, because I'm not sure what their presence and effort will be.

   When JQ and SBI took their bruises, they were bounced to T2 for therapy.

   If BG doesn't get the vacation, and get stuck in T1 again, I can't foresee what impact that will have on the match.

  If BG abandons WvW altogether for a week, then the match could be a blowout, because 1 v 1's have shown that to be the result in prior matchups.

[GrandmaFunk]

so, another week and we might finally get a NSP vs ET showdown in tier 6, brothers in abandonment!

[Zuffy]

Beastgate, on 09 November 2012 - 06:34 PM, said:

Yeah back when I was on Blackgate it would just be me on the whole map sometimes. I'd yell in team chat if there was anyone else and no one would respond. So the only thing I could do is attack yaks, but SBI is really dedicated, even if there are no enemies on the map they will still escort yaks. Depressing times, which is why my guild transferred.

What guild was that if I may ask???

[Hennet]

Im predicting all green wins this week, its pretty much the same matchups as last week.

Tier 1 needs to push blackgate out so SoS can get in for the following week.

Tier 2 need to step up their game to give SoS competition.