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[Stovokor X]

Todays action. ( Represented in the pics i posted above )

New York 7:16 pm / London 12:16 am / Singapore 8:16 am ( JQ +275 / BG +265 / SBI +155 )

New York 2:20 am / London 7:20 am / Singapore 3:20 pm ( SBI +325 / JQ +240 / BG +130 )

New York 3:53 am / London 8:53 am / Singapore 4:53 pm ( SBI +400 / JQ +165 / BG +130 )

New York 9:12 am / London 2:12 pm / Singapore 10:12 pm ( JQ +270 / SBI +265 / BG +160 )

New York 1:14 pm / London 6:14 pm / Singapore  2:14 am ( JQ +395 / SBI +155 / BG +145 )

[Dark]

Amaranth Of War, on 11 November 2012 - 06:47 PM, said:

We'll be back soon.

Take your time. Do what you gotta do. We will do our best as well.

[Artrand_Diderik]

Even thought the guy is just trolling Im surprised by the lack of numbers in BG side. What happened?

[Global_GW2]

Artrand_Diderik, on 11 November 2012 - 08:47 PM, said:

Even thought the guy is just trolling Im surprised by the lack of numbers in BG side. What happened?

Probably a combination of several factors, none of which can be specifically identified as the cause.

[Sunt]

Artrand_Diderik, on 11 November 2012 - 08:47 PM, said:

Even thought the guy is just trolling Im surprised by the lack of numbers in BG side. What happened?

retired. the match is also all days all weeks. no one can play forever though. waste of ur rl time

[Beastgate]

Artrand_Diderik, on 11 November 2012 - 08:47 PM, said:

Even thought the guy is just trolling Im surprised by the lack of numbers in BG side. What happened?

Many bandwagon guilds from HoD and other servers followed ex-TA to Blackgate. These ex-TA guilds either stopped playing the game or don't WvW as much anymore, plus some of the ones who were rumored to transfer to Blackgate decided not to. This caused a morale problem and a snowball effect which led to some of the bandwagoner guilds leaving Blackgate.

[Sunt]

This WvW actually starts becoming " Grind Fest " that you have to spend so much time in Rl and taking it seriously like a Job.

i wish they would consider making it shorter 4 - 5 days per week or something.

well except u stack on 1 server though

[Lady Lisz]

well it's week 3 against the same servers and being the server that has few WvW manpower to compete in T1 ... i mean really if i was in BG, there's not much to look forward to playing this week of wuvwuv, spending in-game money and putting so much time and effort only for everything to be taken away if not sooner than later on... on the bright side, most of the players not participating with you guys can PvE and earn more for armor repairs, siege, etc on the next week's match with hopefully more enthusiasm and roaring hearts

[Acidbaron]

Or here's a wild idea those playing in other time zones do not effect each other and a lot of guilds and players within retired due to well there not being much to do and no long term goals or any advancement in WvW. All of this morale none sense is getting rather old and never played a part for the guilds active  in the field and only effected at most random player numbers in the field. I know it's something people like to take points for, especially the forum warriors barely active on the field but alas Arenanet takes all the credit here.

If the morale was broken why would those active in DEYS still create fun events such as the golem zerg

I know shockingly, a controversial idea that people simply grew tired of the game and don't see much future in its arcade style progression.  
I personally have taken a week off but i'm one of the last remaining of my guild, few have transfered to others within the alliance. I am finishing up all single player games i didn't finish or didn't start up (Easily have 50 odd games remaining on steam) on top of that i still want to finish up in The Secret World and so on...
Another part is aiming at playing PS2 casually, another at going to DF:UW and so on.


Eventually all servers will continue to show a drop in population active in WvW, to the point there will only be a few diehard GW2 fans remaining, so enjoy it while it last.

Edited by Acidbaron, 11 November 2012 - 09:44 PM.

[Keltiq]

Know those that there were in my guild went back to LoL due to lack of personal progression such as ranks, realm rankings, etc.

Edited by Keltiq, 11 November 2012 - 10:42 PM.

[Var]

Acidbaron, on 11 November 2012 - 09:41 PM, said:

Eventually all servers will continue to show a drop in population active in WvW, to the point there will only be a few diehard GW2 fans remaining, so enjoy it while it last.

WvWvW by nature cannot have good rewards (overall) if people can transfer at will, because winning sides will simply create snowball effects as everyone wants in on the rewards. It currently has rewards but they are server oriented and small in impact, and hardly a reason for someone to go through the hassle of jumping ship. Flipping the orb/undermanned buffs would go a long way to actually help people gain awards for actually WvWvWing though... and would make it such that you don't have to PvE to WvWvW (as much, if at all). In this way, more over, you'd have to actually be present and fighting to get credit and the rewards, so just transferring won't net you anything and would give guilds/players a reason to show up in force on the battlefield.

~Who wouldn't want to fight over the orbs if they granted 50% buff to money,karma, and experience gain, each?

That said, for me and plenty of others, its the fun of facing people in an open war that makes me come back. The bonus that I can take a break whenever I choose and come back whenever I choose, is just that: a bonus. If I someday get tired and they change it up or add some spiffy rewards for actually winning, I'd come back.

Edited by Var, 11 November 2012 - 11:21 PM.

[DaleeyM]

Blackgate Borderlands: Extremely suspicious, wrong, and not called for where JQ defended Dreaming Bay against Blackgate. Flipped it for the timer. Handed it straight back to us. This was in no way intentional! JQ was just trying to cap Bay and BG got in the way. We waited outside because we didn't want to get pincered between the 2. We waited for JQ to wipe BG then we came in. We were too late to save Bay, but no problem as we took it back in less than 2 minutes.

It is time for new blood. Blackgate is a tier 3 server at best and needs to take a fall and get back to where they belong. They just dont have numbers to play in tier 1. They have no morale. It would be suffice to say that they are really lacking command. The only map with any sort of defence was BG BL.

I am amazed that the TA guilds have stayed on Blackgate for so long. Going from 30-0 to 0-3 so far. They broke up to make the game fair, which was great. But now they are happy to sacrifice winning as well? They must be hurting on the inside. Wonder how they will last before they realise Blackgate is a lost cause.

Enjoying a week of PvDoor yet again.

[zj12345]

What makes you think any other server is different? If SoS can't really beat IoJ and SoR to get enough points, do you think they stand a chance?

[Sunt]

DaleeyM, on 12 November 2012 - 12:23 AM, said:

Blackgate Borderlands: Extremely suspicious, wrong, and not called for where JQ defended Dreaming Bay against Blackgate. Flipped it for the timer. Handed it straight back to us. This was in no way intentional! JQ was just trying to cap Bay and BG got in the way. We waited outside because we didn't want to get pincered between the 2. We waited for JQ to wipe BG then we came in. We were too late to save Bay, but no problem as we took it back in less than 2 minutes.

It is time for new blood. Blackgate is a tier 3 server at best and needs to take a fall and get back to where they belong. They just dont have numbers to play in tier 1. They have no morale. It would be suffice to say that they are really lacking command. The only map with any sort of defence was BG BL.

I am amazed that the TA guilds have stayed on Blackgate for so long. Going from 30-0 to 0-3 so far. They broke up to make the game fair, which was great. But now they are happy to sacrifice winning as well? They must be hurting on the inside. Wonder how they will last before they realise Blackgate is a lost cause.

Enjoying a week of PvDoor yet again.

we dont have ppl for all the maps yes if u want a real fight u should go where DEYS is.

I hardly see they get wiped.

[Beastgate]

DaleeyM, on 12 November 2012 - 12:23 AM, said:

Blackgate Borderlands: Extremely suspicious, wrong, and not called for where JQ defended Dreaming Bay against Blackgate. Flipped it for the timer. Handed it straight back to us. This was in no way intentional! JQ was just trying to cap Bay and BG got in the way. We waited outside because we didn't want to get pincered between the 2. We waited for JQ to wipe BG then we came in. We were too late to save Bay, but no problem as we took it back in less than 2 minutes.

It is time for new blood. Blackgate is a tier 3 server at best and needs to take a fall and get back to where they belong. They just dont have numbers to play in tier 1. They have no morale. It would be suffice to say that they are really lacking command. The only map with any sort of defence was BG BL.

I am amazed that the TA guilds have stayed on Blackgate for so long. Going from 30-0 to 0-3 so far. They broke up to make the game fair, which was great. But now they are happy to sacrifice winning as well? They must be hurting on the inside. Wonder how they will last before they realise Blackgate is a lost cause.

Enjoying a week of PvDoor yet again.

There are 5 ex-TA guilds on Blackgate and they don't even play WvW that much anymore. If they weren't able to sacrifice winning, they wouldn't have broken up in the first place. Only one of their guilds quit GW2 and the rest of TA could have continued without them. So I don't think they're "hurting on the inside" and they won't leave Blackgate just because it's not winning.

Sorry about PvDoor, I realize it's boring so I play PvE a lot now too.

And saying 30-0 to 0-3 is just silly considering there are some ex-TA who went to Stormbluff.

Edited by Beastgate, 12 November 2012 - 12:35 AM.

[Rendon]

I don't understand the people who complain about PVDoor due to Blackgate not having the numbers to compete with SBI or JQ, and then say that Blackgate should get out of tier one and go to tier two or three where they belong.

The only way we will get knocked down to tier 2 is if we let you sweep the map, don't put up any fight at all, resulting in complete and utter PVDoor for an entire week, possibly multiple weeks.Or we can put up a fight and try to have some fun for at least the first few days, which seems to be what you want.

So which is it?

[Syphen]

Rendon, on 12 November 2012 - 12:52 AM, said:

I don't understand the people who complain about PVDoor due to Blackgate not having the numbers to compete with SBI or JQ, and then say that Blackgate should get out of tier one and go to tier two or three where they belong.

The only way we will get knocked down to tier 2 is if we let you sweep the map, don't put up any fight at all, resulting in complete and utter PVDoor for an entire week, possibly multiple weeks.Or we can put up a fight and try to have some fun for at least the first few days, which seems to be what you want.

So which is it?

The people complaining about wanting you to drop are the vocal minority or the trolls.  Although it does suck when your guys in NA prime lose morale halfway through the week and don't put up much of a fight.  Such is the nature of WvW though if you play for nothing but the score and don't consolidate on a map to make it full and have fun.  Best of luck to you in any case.

[Earendil]

DaleeyM, on 12 November 2012 - 12:23 AM, said:

Blackgate Borderlands: Extremely suspicious, wrong, and not called for where JQ defended Dreaming Bay against Blackgate. Flipped it for the timer. Handed it straight back to us. This was in no way intentional! JQ was just trying to cap Bay and BG got in the way. We waited outside because we didn't want to get pincered between the 2. We waited for JQ to wipe BG then we came in. We were too late to save Bay, but no problem as we took it back in less than 2 minutes.

It is time for new blood. Blackgate is a tier 3 server at best and needs to take a fall and get back to where they belong. They just dont have numbers to play in tier 1. They have no morale. It would be suffice to say that they are really lacking command. The only map with any sort of defence was BG BL.

I am amazed that the TA guilds have stayed on Blackgate for so long. Going from 30-0 to 0-3 so far. They broke up to make the game fair, which was great. But now they are happy to sacrifice winning as well? They must be hurting on the inside. Wonder how they will last before they realise Blackgate is a lost cause.

Enjoying a week of PvDoor yet again.

Blackgate was a great server to play against, when we were with them and IoJ in tier2, They had the fire and the drive. They were great at the beginning of their T1 time. Even now, they have players and teams that can flip the whole map(s) to a 500 tick.

They just don't have enough of this kind of people. For various reasons that probably no one completely understands.

On Blackgate it's just like on any other server. Players of different level of skill, casual WvWers, bandwaggoners and server hoppers, etc. It's just the proportion that varies and noone has control over that.

It is not really SBIer behavior to try and diminish your opponent. Also I do not think any of the SBI old timers uses the "PvDoor" concept.

[Sunt]

Syphen, on 12 November 2012 - 12:56 AM, said:

The people complaining about wanting you to drop are the vocal minority or the trolls.  Although it does suck when your guys in NA prime lose morale halfway through the week and don't put up much of a fight.  Such is the nature of WvW though if you play for nothing but the score and don't consolidate on a map to make it full and have fun.  Best of luck to you in any case.

it just goes back to the same major problem that we lack of American guilds though not because they dont fight.

[Syphen]

Sunt, on 12 November 2012 - 01:06 AM, said:

it just goes back to the same major problem that we lack of American guilds though not because they dont fight.

We lack any euro coverage for the same reason.

[Foulsoul]

counting every 24 hour win in TA's 30-0 ratio is getting kind of ridiculous.

game came out 8-28-12, TA retired somewhere around the 4th of october.  http://www.guildwars...titan-alliance/

thats 1 month  of wins before retiring.  If SBI wins this week it will be the 4th week in a row that we have won and the third week that we have been green in tier 1.  I hope you dont expect us to retire after a month.

[crowea]

zj12345, on 12 November 2012 - 12:29 AM, said:

What makes you think any other server is different? If SoS can't really beat IoJ and SoR to get enough points, do you think they stand a chance?

There is 25K difference between 1st and 3rd in T1 and T2, and even closer in T3.

T4 T5 there is 100K difference. These are not close.

T1-T3 are pretty balanced in my opinion. Sure it is about coverage, it is also attitude. You can win from 25K down.

[Sayura]

I promised WM not greater than a 20k deficit this weekend.

I delivered.

Edited by Sayura, 12 November 2012 - 01:45 AM.

[Rhaenys]

[DaleeyM]

Foulsoul, on 12 November 2012 - 01:38 AM, said:

counting every 24 hour win in TA's 30-0 ratio is getting kind of ridiculous.

game came out 8-28-12, TA retired somewhere around the 4th of october.  http://www.guildwars...titan-alliance/

thats 1 month  of wins before retiring.  If SBI wins this week it will be the 4th week in a row that we have won and the third week that we have been green in tier 1.  I hope you dont expect us to retire after a month.

A big part in the success of our server is SYN and Yaki. I would love to see Titan Alliance reform. I don't doubt they would go undefeated yet again. Playing against Blackgate the only TA guilds I have seen so far is DiE and ELTE. I asked the question about TRF and same can be said about DtD and Gin. It doesn't matter how many wins they tallied up. They were undefeated. If they came together again they would stay undefeated. The point is that they made the game fair for the rest of us because it wasn't fun at all being steam rolled by them. The closest they came to a loss was when the thread 'Downfall of Henge' was made about 24 hours after reset. They ended up winning by some stupid amount. I don't think they will stay on Blackgate because it is just not fighting as a server. I am sure some of you are members of the Blackgate website as I am and you can see the frustration and the brewing of a civil war.

It is not a troll. It is a prediction. I predict that the TA guilds will leave Blackgate for greener pastures. There is no doubt DEYS will soon follow suit. If they move I hope they go to SoS. If they went to SoS it would make tier 1 a heap of fun for all 3 servers. Blackgate would then drop back to tier 3 eventually, and IoJ and SoR would squobble over 1st place to get rights to go into tier 1 and swap with SBI, JQ or SoS at the end of the week. It would make sense on all parts. It would even up the standings a fair bit.

Blackgate still does have some great guilds on there, I just cant see them staying there because of the lack of participation and constant battering in WvW and also alot of civil unrest on their Blackgate forums. Only time will tell, who knows, people on SBI might get tired of zerging all day.

[CharliePrince]

people come, people go, guilds switch servers, players retire

it's life. it happens.

this late in the game's release, what worries me more is the dwindling .. activity, of wuvwuv

it's not just blackgate suffering but throughout the realms, it's just getting harder and harder to have people actually actively playing in wuvwuv. Even reset queues would be lucky to last into Saturday

compare that with HoD, ET, JQ, SBI, IoJ, CD, etc down the list before and you'd have queues so big it would last entire weekends and that tells you the disparity from then to now

anyhows, just saying it's happening everywhere. I personally hope AN wakes up soon and throws us a bone, something, anything that'll show that they meant wuvwuv to be something more than what it actually is: a casual place for people to jump into, get a few kills, and log off instead of what we have all turned it into, Endgame.

also good luck to IoJ guilds who went to Jade Quarry glad to see JQ in the lead and most definitely feeling the effect of those Oceanic guilds that transferred

[Smokee]

DaleeyM, on 12 November 2012 - 02:04 AM, said:

It is not a troll. It is a prediction. I predict that the TA guilds will leave Blackgate for greener pastures. There is no doubt DEYS will soon follow suit. If they move I hope they go to SoS. If they went to SoS it would make tier 1 a heap of fun for all 3 servers. Blackgate would then drop back to tier 3 eventually, and IoJ and SoR would squobble over 1st place to get rights to go into tier 1 and swap with SBI, JQ or SoS at the end of the week. It would make sense on all parts. It would even up the standings a fair bit.

DEYS have no plans on leaving blackgate. In fact HB started recruiting NA players, so we can cover more ground, instead of waiting for NA guilds to tranfer here. We are here to stay and build on blackgate. Dont forget when we tranfered here BG was a Tier 3/4 server. Anything above that and BG have improved.
We are still getting all the fights we could ever dream of, havent been in a Q for weeks now, and some really cool people on the server.

[RivenTheValorous]

No civil war here. Blackgate forever! If you want a war come find [KnT]. We'll be handing out free repair bills every night.

[Nirvii]

sadly anet seems not care about wvw much. they still aim for pve content more without realising ppl need epic end game. pve is nowhere close to epic end game in this game, wvw has the potential to be there. u just need to reward em properly. Blackgate wont fall like ET or HoD as there is no super big guilds that one transfer can wreck the whole server. yes we suffer from lack of coverage but staying in tier1 for three weeks is quite a feat. we may be down to tier2 this week if sos managed to but a week break to meet IoJ aint that bad and we will be back!

[zj12345]

crowea, on 12 November 2012 - 01:40 AM, said:

There is 25K difference between 1st and 3rd in T1 and T2, and even closer in T3.

T4 T5 there is 100K difference. These are not close.

T1-T3 are pretty balanced in my opinion. Sure it is about coverage, it is also attitude. You can win from 25K down.

You can win from 25k down, if you have a swing in WvW population at the right times. Whether it's through a sudden gain in your own population from server transfers, a sudden loss in the other server's population through transfers or other reasons (events, internet problems, etc.), or through a sudden gain/loss in the entire server's morale. But the population that actually bothers about points are dwindling, which you can think of as good or bad.

P.S. Oh there is 1 more way to come back from a large deficit, which is to have people staying up late/early through off-peak hours to ensure any large PPT lead is maintained. That requires people that really cares about points and winning, whose numbers as I mentioned earlier are dwindling and probably concentrated in fewer and fewer servers.

Edited by zj12345, 12 November 2012 - 03:05 AM.