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#271 Beastgate

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 06:20 PM

View PostCosian, on 13 November 2012 - 05:52 PM, said:

The reality is that WvW has had more attention and more tuning by AN than SPvP since day 1.
Don't know how anyone can say this when they added the beta-MOBA pvp arena for Halloween, and now a standard new PvP map. All they did for WvW was change castle from 50 to 35 ppt, and remove orbs. But wait, you're from SBI, that explains everything.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 06:22 PM

View PostCalmLittleBuddy, on 13 November 2012 - 04:58 PM, said:

I can't be on TS at all. And probably a good thing. I already get enough wife aggro/odd chore requests just for logging into the game! She'd kill me if I went back to TS now. But I do miss my headphone 'cone of solitude'... sigh.

But anyways... question BG guys and girls:

I'm still wondering what happened to BG? So strong out of the gate. now going the IoJ route, it seems. Some are saying boredom, but I think there's more to it.

Is it because now that the turle and portal bombs have been countered, there's nothing left in the tank? Some are saying it's because they're getting 2v1 by SBI and JQ, but aren't we ALL getting 2v1? I know that we're fighting 2 servers at once. I'm pretty sure SBI is fighting 2 servers at once as well. It only looks like a double team because neither side is helping your server, but trust me... they ain't helping us either.

Some are saying it's coverage. Pardon me, but didn't BG have awesome coverage until thursday night of week 1 when they lost the lead?

I see some mighty fine warrior guilds on BG giving it their all every fight... seems like the rest of the server quit when they lost. So much respect for the BG guilds still fighting. You guys rocked. Just wish your population would back you guys up and give you all the support you need.

The same thing happened to IoJ, like the ride up to T1 built this wave of momentum, and then it just washed away... I'm not trolling, I'm serious. I was eating dirt in that first matchup and BG killed me more times than any other server ever had. What's the deal?


in term of PPT , Jq rarely got it more than BG since Weekdays start though . . . . .

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 06:48 PM

View PostCalmLittleBuddy, on 13 November 2012 - 03:58 PM, said:

Wait, what??? Did we get slaughtered overnight again?

I jumped into EB for a few mins before bed late last night (NA central time zone) and there were about 60-80 people doing grub while Durios was under attack.  The only commander I saw was there telling people to build siege to kill the grub faster.  That has pretty much been my overnight EB experience the last 3 weeks:  either a ghost town or a carebear cluster*.  From a solo queue perspective it's quite pointless being there during that time period.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 08:11 PM

View PostBeastgate, on 13 November 2012 - 06:20 PM, said:

Don't know how anyone can say this when they added the beta-MOBA pvp arena for Halloween, and now a standard new PvP map. All they did for WvW was change castle from 50 to 35 ppt, and remove orbs. But wait, you're from SBI, that explains everything.
psst your from SBI also :-P

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 08:26 PM

View PostCalmLittleBuddy, on 13 November 2012 - 04:58 PM, said:

But anyways... question BG guys and girls:

I'm still wondering what happened to BG? So strong out of the gate. now going the IoJ route, it seems. Some are saying boredom, but I think there's more to it.

It's coverage.

We can bring it in 2 maps, maybe 3 but that's it. We are always pushed off one map completely. Add in the fact that yes, the usual rats jumped shit after losses and we're still in that prime time span for people to leave new MMO's.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 08:27 PM

View PostSyphen, on 13 November 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

psst your from SBI also :-P
He probably forgot since he seems to change servers more than most people change their socks. :)

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 08:30 PM

View PostSyphen, on 13 November 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

psst your from SBI also :-P
Yes I am from SBI but I don't post things that are completely untrue like "Arenanet cares about WvW more than PvP."

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 08:36 PM

View PostEvoex_LotD, on 13 November 2012 - 08:26 PM, said:


It's coverage.

We can bring it in 2 maps, maybe 3 but that's it. We are always pushed off one map completely. Add in the fact that yes, the usual rats jumped shit after losses and we're still in that prime time span for people to leave new MMO's.

This BG does well during teh weekends, they smashed during the weekends a few weeks ago, but once the weekends are over its a coverage war, the server with the most coverage wins, doesn't matter how good their players are, or their commanders, or their strategy.  That is the nature of the beast.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 08:42 PM

View PostKyiv, on 13 November 2012 - 08:36 PM, said:

This BG does well during teh weekends, they smashed during the weekends a few weeks ago, but once the weekends are over its a coverage war, the server with the most coverage wins, doesn't matter how good their players are, or their commanders, or their strategy.  That is the nature of the beast.

Lies. Some servers made of steel, others, straw.

#280 Kreen

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 08:42 PM

View PostSayura, on 13 November 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

Whaaaaaaat?
  • Player housing
  • Dual professions (pre-cu)
  • Space combat
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Game was amazing.

Agreed, nothing for me has come close to pre CU(even pre NGE was bearable) SWG so far and I have played lots of other games. Played on Farstar, main was same nick, had two accounts one of which was an armorsmith, built a player city on the proceeds of that. The crafting system alone was the best ever in a MMO, no other crafting system has come close, true sandbox game.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 08:46 PM

View PostKyiv, on 13 November 2012 - 08:36 PM, said:

This BG does well during teh weekends, they smashed during the weekends a few weeks ago, but once the weekends are over its a coverage war, the server with the most coverage wins, doesn't matter how good their players are, or their commanders, or their strategy.  That is the nature of the beast.
True, look at what happened on the EU side. Vizunah Square used to always be first, then the NA guild Ruin transferred to another EU server and managed to beat VS by nightcapping.
WvW is a population battle. Take the score 4 hours after reset and that's pretty much the extent of what skill, commanding, etc. matters.

#282 Sunt

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 08:47 PM

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last night Sbi really had a lot but now it's pretty fun.

#283 Kyiv

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 09:13 PM

View PostSayura, on 13 November 2012 - 08:42 PM, said:

Lies. Some servers made of steel, others, straw.

If you want to tell yourself that go ahead, everyone knows what WvW is.  Weekends are won with blood sweat and tears, weekdays are won with coverage.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 09:15 PM

View PostKyiv, on 13 November 2012 - 09:13 PM, said:

If you want to tell yourself that go ahead, everyone knows what WvW is.  Weekends are won with blood sweat and tears, weekdays are won with coverage.

She was being funny. You'd have to read earlier in the thread to get it though.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 09:23 PM

View PostGlobal_GW2, on 13 November 2012 - 09:15 PM, said:

She was being funny. You'd have to read earlier in the thread to get it though.

Oh my bad I thought she was trying to insult other servers =D

#286 CalmLittleBuddy

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 09:24 PM

When you're in third, claim they only win by coverage. When you're in first, claim superior tactics and strategy. Got it!

To those BG who responded thoughtfully, thanks. My suspicion is that it snowballs. Gaps in coverage cause casuals to exit, causes points to drop, causes front running guilds to switch to SBI, causes fractures in the community.

I hate to say this, but JQ is the only server to go through that process and come out of the other side. I wish you guys luck. Hell, I wish US ALL luck (except SBI, who I wish boils upon).

Last thought... So, 4 special persistent world maps and hours upon hours of design and tons and tons of hype = not important, just a throw in for casuals? Ha. The Guild Wars franchise cut its teeth on PvP and is going to use WvW as their primary way of keeping players. It's only been a few months, and it is extremely difficult to add new stuff rapidly to ANY PvP due to balance issues. Give it time...

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 09:36 PM

View PostKyiv, on 13 November 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

Oh my bad I thought she was trying to insult other servers =D

nah it's just how we came up with this Steelbluff Isle name :D

Edited by Jabtangs, 13 November 2012 - 09:37 PM.


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Posted 13 November 2012 - 09:59 PM

View PostKyiv, on 13 November 2012 - 09:13 PM, said:

If you want to tell yourself that go ahead, everyone knows what WvW is.  Weekends are won with blood sweat and tears, weekdays are won with coverage.

Anyone who doesn't believe this is delusional, gotta start looking past score and compacting to borderlands to ensure good fights for most servers.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 10:04 PM

View PostxXDeath2UXx, on 13 November 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

Anyone who doesn't believe this is delusional, gotta start looking past score and compacting to borderlands to ensure good fights for most servers.
as long as there are good fights all around I could care less about the score.  Sure it is nice to win but the fights are more important.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 10:06 PM

View PostWalker, on 13 November 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

I'm in your guild you knucklehead!! And I posted as Menaace but I've never been the same guy from game, just pretending and trollin MMAC and their gay little council. Mods here made me change my avatar and name because the real guy apparently filed a complaint about it haha.

Proof that you can't trust what anyone says, or who anyone is on these forums. Myself included.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 11:28 PM

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it's been fun today. im off now >>

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 01:16 AM

man i love this week a lot. we obviously dont have numbers but it teaches us a lot how to play with low numbers and we know who is real Wvwer in this situation. :P

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 01:34 AM

View PostNgamok, on 13 November 2012 - 05:54 PM, said:

Besides the JTLS part of the game, all that stuff was game content for sure, but it wasn't made by SOE as scripted events.  All that was there open ended for players to do something with, nothing scripted.  The house interior contests, the cantina videos, lots of that stuff was community driven.  I was on Bloodfin, we had a great PvP community and we constantly went out looking for fights.  We even had someone trying to meta game the PvP just like the Emerald Council :P
swg pre-cu is still my favorite mmo to memory.  I was on bria and loved that game greatly.  JTL was also pretty underrated imo as far as space pvp went.  I still cry at soe and lucas arts for bringing forth the nge lmao.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 02:14 AM

View PostTokenDeadGuy2, on 14 November 2012 - 01:34 AM, said:

swg pre-cu is still my favorite mmo to memory.  I was on bria and loved that game greatly.  JTL was also pretty underrated imo as far as space pvp went.  I still cry at soe and lucas arts for bringing forth the nge lmao.

I was also on Bria, went back to SWG many many times lol until I just couldnt take the horrible changes anymore =p

Good times in the boarderlands tonight lots of hot tower/keep/garry/ conversion lovin going on.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 02:45 AM

North American control has varied day to day / match to match. Don't think anyone has a monopoly for dominating that time period consistently. Its even shifted from early in the period to late in NA time.  I will say overall score really does not reflect the tenacity of those fighting especially with less numbers.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 03:17 AM

View PostCharliePrince, on 13 November 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

Fool's Gold

Maybe people are simply seeing things for what they are. Our hopes, dreams, visions and desires regarding massive warfare is simply that, Fool's Gold.


Sounds more like general frustration with events that transpired in T1 /T2 have morfed into WvW is broken etc.  World vs World by design is pretty solid. It just needs tweaking and some iterations. The main issues are population related which Arenanet has to address from various angles. Your personal assumptions doesn't really equate to any inference of Arena-net prioritization. Developers don't release details about all kinds of content at once. One release will deal with a portion of the content only. They would give specifics of content that is imminent or maybe a PvE dungeon that is at advanced stage of release. Devs are unlikely to share conceptual changes or plans that are still in early stages. Once they are comfortable and reached a milestone they would do so. Its highly unlikely one aspect of the game would be totally neglected especially as GW2 was heavily marketed for open world combat aspect. Always had to wait for staggered information release in any major MMO so I don't see the difference here.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 03:39 AM

View PostQuietnine, on 13 November 2012 - 03:25 PM, said:

so, who on JQ will support you and MMAC intentionally losing matches on behalf of JQQ once JQ falls down to Tier 2 (which is a real possibility if SoS comes in second next week, given that by the end of the week your rating will probably not have changed much, certainly less than the 32 points predicted)? Or is it all just a bunch of BS and the jade emporer is only pretending they control an entire server's outcome?




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MMAC was allied with SBI that much I do know and SBI is now winning. If you want our theory they were trying to break up JQ from the start, like an SBI metagame of sorts so they could take 1st. On JQ since MMAC arrived Menaace took a staff position on JQ.com and within two weeks TW left the server, there were two websites and a divided community, JQ's score was plummeting fast. The  officers were always up to a lot of secretive stuff. He even put people like Bluntski "in charge" of MMAC just out of the blue and then MMAC"s original cast of officers sort of disappeared. I mean it's all speculation, but something fishy was going on. We are all in a guild with Bluntski now... and MMAC core are nowhere to be found. I'm sure they are back home on SBI where they started, and to be honest breaking up a server intentionally isn't beyond what Menaace was capable of, I've played many games with MMAC. That's sort of the norm.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 03:43 AM

View PostWalker, on 14 November 2012 - 03:39 AM, said:

MMAC was allied with SBI that much I do know and SBI is now winning. MMAC hasn't been on JQ for a while those who left or stayed behind are all in AoS now... I presume the core went back to SBI. If you want our theory they were trying to break up JQ from the start, like an SBI metagame of sorts so they could take 1st. Think about it, on JQ since MMAC arrived Menaace took a staff position on JQ.com and within two weeks TW left the server, there were two websites and a divided community, JQ's score plummeting fast...

Seems like everyone including us his former guildies were part of a very long con :/ haven't seen MMAC in weeks to be honest.
Once again he doesn't represent AoS. He isn't a part of AoS nor will he ever be. Just wanted to make that abundantly clear to everyone because quite frankly he's destroying his guild to try and throw AoS under as well.

View PostQuietnine, on 14 November 2012 - 03:42 AM, said:

walker is menaace. why are you talking in the third person?
Walker claims to be "hacked" he also claims to be part of AoS but I can assure you that is also incorrect.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 04:00 AM

View PostQuietnine, on 14 November 2012 - 03:49 AM, said:

asking menaace/walker why he is talking about himself in the third person gets a post deleted? is that against a rule?
Better question would be asking him why he claims to be part of SBI or why he no longer logs on yet thinks he should troll forums of a game he no longer plays lol.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 04:10 AM

Wow Stei, I am so sorry.  Some of us only get to watch the trainwreck from the sidelines and lament the crazy rifts created in our community but you get to deal with it in a much more personal way trying to extract yourself and your guild from that complete nut job.  Don't worry, no one on Jade Quarry is going to believe anything Menaace/Walker says at this point and I am pretty sure the same goes for the rest of the guru community so AoS reputation should be safe.  We've got your back, just hope he doesn't have anymore alts or troll accounts to keep straight.  :huh:

SBI and Jade Quarry have a whole heck of a lot of great guilds that enjoy WvW for the sake of competition and score jockeying really does not factor into things one little bit.  Keep up the good fight and see ya all out on the battlefield.  Cheers,




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