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#1 Korra

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 12:05 PM

ITT: Predict what nerfs thief will get on 15th.

#2 Red_Falcon

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 02:06 PM

According to J.Sharp BS, CnD, Steal and Cluster bomb will be nerfed, I theorize damage down by 15-20%.
We'll prolly get minor, insignificant, PvP-unviable buffs to things such as venoms and traps in return.
It'll be BWE Thief state all over again.

Most Thieves will reroll Warrior "lolKillshot 1shots 3 people from 1500 range, it's fine because you can dodge it tho" gimmick.
Some will go with S/P chainstun which a lot of people will cry about after 15th (next nerf will be our daze duration I bet).
A few will stick to it regardless.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 02:36 PM

Something minor that will affect BS thieves,....but not enough for most people to jump ship,...resulting in lots of people still playing the class and lots of people QQing in the forums.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 03:08 PM

probably won't affect my playstyle since i don't use that kind of build and burst that was described to be nerfed.
i expect my build to benefit from the compensation that has been described.

"Just wanted you guys to know we’re looking at this specifically right now. We will probably bring down the raw spike DPS for some builds, but we’ll be careful to increase other areas to compensate."

Edited by Symbiont, 10 November 2012 - 05:40 PM.


#5 NuclearDonut

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 03:15 PM

A much needed nerf to backstab as well as the steal+cloak and dagger combo. I doubt we'll see any other nerfs, as those 2 things are the only broken parts about the Thief. Hopefully they'll buff the useless sets like Pistol/Pistol so all the FOTM noobs will stop jumping into pugs with D/D. Variety in Thieves would be nice, I'm really hoping for that P/P buff.

#6 Dervy

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 04:32 PM

Backstab will get nerfed to the ground.

I want to see our buffs. I don't care about nerfs. Making new and unique builds to beat the current meta is always fun. We WILL see a Pistol Buff, especially to #1 skill. I also predict a buff to make of our utility skills.

I predict:
  • Backstab -> from x2 multiplier to an 1.5x multiplier
  • Cloak & Dagger -> Vulnerability time Decreased, with a slight decrease in damage
  • Heartseeker -> Reduction to the below 25% threshold so it is inline with the the other two (At a 30% increase instead of the current 40% approx)
  • Dancing Dagger -> Maximum target reduction
  • Spider Venom -> Lower attack usage (reduced to 2?)
  • Disabling Shot -> Slight increase in Damage
  • Vital Shot -> Huge increase in damage and Bleed Damage
  • Headshot -> Daze time lengthened
  • Venoms/traps will have an increase in damage
  • Mug (Trait) -> Decrease in power
  • Numerous other traits...

Edited by Dervy, 10 November 2012 - 04:55 PM.


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Posted 10 November 2012 - 04:42 PM

I played Backstap build in WvW for a while. Yesterday i came up witha  mobility build with almost perma vigor a able to keep 10 stacks of might up.

Shortbow/ Dagger*pistol. ir p/p

I can only wait for a buff and i'll rock wvw.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 04:42 PM

I seriously hope they also make S/D much more attractive again.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 05:42 PM

I hope they do something about the pistol/dagger combo where you can just cloak and dagger and then use the #1 skill over and over again (the bleeds build)

A change here could probably fix some of the backstab burst combos too.

Edited by stefanplc, 10 November 2012 - 05:44 PM.


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Posted 10 November 2012 - 06:14 PM

View PostRed_Falcon, on 10 November 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

According to J.Sharp BS, CnD, Steal and Cluster bomb will be nerfed, I theorize damage down by 15-20%.
We'll prolly get minor, insignificant, PvP-unviable buffs to things such as venoms and traps in return.
It'll be BWE Thief state all over again.

Most Thieves will reroll Warrior "lolKillshot 1shots 3 people from 1500 range, it's fine because you can dodge it tho" gimmick.
Some will go with S/P chainstun which a lot of people will cry about after 15th (next nerf will be our daze duration I bet).
A few will stick to it regardless.

So PvP unviable things will turn into PvP viable things and faceroll FotM will be toned down. What's not to like?

#11 Red_Falcon

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 07:16 PM

View PostShinimas, on 10 November 2012 - 06:14 PM, said:

I got facestomped a lot on my glass cannon by you Thieves, so happy about the nerf! ^__^

Fixed.

Oh and we will still facestomp you glass cannons no worries.
Bads gonna be bads before and after nerfs.

Edited by Red_Falcon, 10 November 2012 - 07:17 PM.


#12 Typhoris

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 07:39 PM

Thief patch isn't gonna affect me at all since I'm not a scrubby dagger/dagger thief. In fact, I'm looking forward to it and see if they'll make shortbow anymore OP :)

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 07:49 PM

^ Seeing as cluster bomb is mentioned in possible nerfs I doubt it.

Short bow is so *ing OP it's ridiculous if they don't nerf cb I will be amazed.
Seriously mugging in for fury from thrill of the crime and then spamming 5-7k crits with 3 stacks of bleed for 5 seconds is stupid good in WvW.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 07:53 PM

View PostLalnuir, on 10 November 2012 - 07:49 PM, said:

^ Seeing as cluster bomb is mentioned in possible nerfs I doubt it.

Short bow is so *ing OP it's ridiculous if they don't nerf cb I will be amazed.
Seriously mugging in for fury from thrill of the crime and then spamming 5-7k crits with 3 stacks of bleed for 5 seconds is stupid good in WvW.
omg don't tell them our secrets, backstab build best! :D

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 07:57 PM

View PostRed_Falcon, on 10 November 2012 - 07:16 PM, said:

Fixed.

Oh and we will still facestomp you glass cannons no worries.
Bads gonna be bads before and after nerfs.
You are the reason I hate most of the people that use the internet. Quit butt hurting about nerfs to your favorite class, we all get nerfs. Some are unjustified, but Thieves need a nerf, and if you can't see that then I feel bad for you.

Edited by NuclearDonut, 10 November 2012 - 07:57 PM.


#16 Millimidget

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:00 PM

View PostNuclearDonut, on 10 November 2012 - 07:57 PM, said:

You are the reason I hate most of the people that use the internet. Quit butt hurting about nerfs to your favorite class, we all get nerfs. Some are unjustified, but Thieves need a nerf, and if you can't see that then I feel bad for you.
I wouldn't feel bad for him; he chose stealth+burst for a reason.

This is one of the fundamental problems with the archetype; it draws complete dirtbags.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:03 PM

View PostNuclearDonut, on 10 November 2012 - 07:57 PM, said:

You are the reason I hate most of the people that use the internet. Quit butt hurting about nerfs to your favorite class, we all get nerfs. Some are unjustified, but Thieves need a nerf, and if you can't see that then I feel bad for you.
From him, I see sly sarcasm and pretty raw humor. From you on the other hand, I see anger and senseless trash talking. Just saying...

#18 LevotharKingdom

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:04 PM

Heartseeker please

#19 NuclearDonut

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:17 PM

View PostAl Shamari, on 10 November 2012 - 08:03 PM, said:

From him, I see sly sarcasm and pretty raw humor. From you on the other hand, I see anger and senseless trash talking. Just saying...
"Oh and we will still facestomp you glasscannons no problem." THAT is senseless trash talking to someone who gave their opinion. I didn't see any sarcasm or humor, just a guy who was mad that his class is getting nerfed.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:23 PM

View PostNuclearDonut, on 10 November 2012 - 08:17 PM, said:

"Oh and we will still facestomp you glasscannons no problem." THAT is senseless trash talking to someone who gave their opinion. I didn't see any sarcasm or humor, just a guy who was mad that his class is getting nerfed.
I actually had only scanned that post and missed it. I personally wouldn't say he's "mad" or "butthurt" that his class is getting nerfed. I play the class as well and I think the general feeling between all of us is that we pretty much know what to expect.

I think the point he's making is that, well... what's the reason Thieves are getting nerfed? We can pretty much insta-kill someone with a single combination, correct? While it seems to many of us, that Warriors can do almost the exact same thing, from a range. Yet, they seem to be sitting high and dry. Of course they're going to come to us with the "you can dodge it" excuse, but I think Backstab Thieves have been spouting about how there are easy ways to counter our tactics as well.

I think that's the only real problem. If you're going to nerf one one-shot kill, nerf the other as well.

That being said, I'm not defending Backstab Thieves, I don't care. I'm not going to reroll, I like my profession, etc.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:29 PM

View PostAl Shamari, on 10 November 2012 - 08:03 PM, said:

From him, I see sly sarcasm and pretty raw humor. From you on the other hand, I see anger and senseless trash talking. Just saying...

I'm not sure his post really qualified as 'sly sarcasm'. Just seemed like standard e-peen bravado.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:30 PM

View PostAl Shamari, on 10 November 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

I actually had only scanned that post and missed it. I personally wouldn't say he's "mad" or "butthurt" that his class is getting nerfed. I play the class as well and I think the general feeling between all of us is that we pretty much know what to expect.

I think the point he's making is that, well... what's the reason Thieves are getting nerfed? We can pretty much insta-kill someone with a single combination, correct? While it seems to many of us, that Warriors can do almost the exact same thing, from a range. Yet, they seem to be sitting high and dry. Of course they're going to come to us with the "you can dodge it" excuse, but I think Backstab Thieves have been spouting about how there are easy ways to counter our tactics as well.

I think that's the only real problem. If you're going to nerf one one-shot kill, nerf the other as well.

That being said, I'm not defending Backstab Thieves, I don't care. I'm not going to reroll, I like my profession, etc.
Comparing Kill Shot with the Backstab combo is unfair. The initial Steal+C&D+BS can only be used once every 30-45 seconds, but if you're not prepared for it you're screwed. Not to mention Thieves can do 5/6 of the damage again whenever they want. Kill Shot is so obvious that getting hit by it is your own fault. The only thing you can compare BS to is Hundred Blades from the beta, but BS still owns Hundred Blades. The reason it's gonna get nerfed is: It has too much reward for too little effort, similar to the HB combo form beta.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 10:30 PM

View PostShinimas, on 10 November 2012 - 06:14 PM, said:

So PvP unviable things will turn into PvP viable things and faceroll FotM will be toned down. What's not to like?

Anyone that has played a thief will agree with this. I'm so looking forward to being able to go something other than 1, maybe 2, builds. I hope they let the profession flesh out more so it's not a stupid one trick pony. I hope sword gets some attention, and the after cast from IA fixed too.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 12:11 AM

I think Anet went a bit overboard with it, the aftercast on steal is fine, a nerf to CnD is fine, but everything at once just kills it

stealth+burst is fine imo, especially since Thief is squishy and melee, the only problem I've ever had with it is the frequency at which you can use backstab burst rotations

And clusterbomb nerf would make me sad :(

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 12:51 AM

Won't affect me. I got tired of dying to anything that looked at me a long time ago. I use P/D venom share now and look forward to my potential buffs

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 01:03 AM

Cluster bomb is fine, it crits for 8k to underleveld peeps in WvW (not much), it has a tremendous arch easy to avoid. Cluster bomb no crit hits barely for 2k against heavy armors.

And CnD nerf would kill a lot of builds, its not only used for backstab and i hope they take that in count since it would destroy P/D even more.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 01:06 AM

If they nerf Cluster Bomb without nerfing Kill Shot... I can't even, to be honest...

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 01:08 AM

View PostAl Shamari, on 11 November 2012 - 01:06 AM, said:

If they nerf Cluster Bomb without nerfing Kill Shot... I can't even, to be honest...
Yeah i can already see mfw warrior buffs

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 01:12 AM

View PostKorra, on 11 November 2012 - 01:08 AM, said:

Yeah i can already see mfw warrior buffs
Like, I can see the defense of Kill Shot versus Back Stab, there is a reasonable defense there. But Cluster Bomb and Kill Shot are extremely comparable (other than the AoE factor), except Kill Shot is a one hit kill in most cases and Cluster Bomb is hardly even close.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 01:15 AM

IF CB is nerfed shortbow burst, if it ever existed will be retardedlly bad




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