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[XPhiler]

I am a bit uneasy about this myself but then I read this and it gave me hope that perhaps its might not be as bad as it sounds?

http://www.mmorpg.co...ber-Update.html

In this article they state: "Speaking of rewards, the Fractals of the Mist Dungeon will introduce the new ‘Ascended' item type. This type is a bit more powerful than the Exotic quality items currently found in the game. There will only be a couple of Ascended quality items available initially, but some of the rarer Ascended items will also feature a new Infusion slot that will make players even more powerful so that they can tackle new challenges that ArenaNet plans to throw at them as they continue to expand on the dungeon over the coming months and years."

This to me sounds like these new ascended armors might be limited to the dungeon and the dungeon continues to get progressively harder perhaps requriing the upgrading of the armor itself to tackle the harder levels of the dungeon as it continues to grow.

Perhaps and I hope this armor might be only useful against these karka things much like infused armor was only useful against the mursaat. Ergo perhaps they're introducing a sort of gear treadmill in one place for people that want a gear treadmill.

too early to say and I doubt Arenanet would throw away such a core design phylosofy

[jirayasan]

This shit doesn't even matter, people think GW2 is gearbased like other mmorpgs.

We have these "tiers" of endgame gear now.

(masterwork etc is counted) Rare - Exotic - Ascended - Legendary

You can complete ANY content with Rare gear or even in masterwork if you want, you don't need exotic or ascended.

Guild Wars 2 is skillbased, not gearbased.

[Coren]

Depends what "slightly" means. If it means giving like 10 more power, then I don't see the problem. Besides, dungeons can be ran with rare gear effectively, exotics are nice but a bit OP for dungeon purposes.

[Sevens]

Lordkrall, on 12 November 2012 - 03:08 PM, said:

Indeed, but seeing as Massively seems to be to only site that have this "quote from ArenaNet" I wouldn't take it seriously until we get actual confirmation.

Its on MMOrpg too....and Anet posted both articles to their FB account so Im thinking its pretty legit

[jirayasan]

Waar Kijk Je Naar, on 12 November 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

Legendary's have the same stats as exotics.

But, oh well, you don't need to get exotics either. You'll do just fine in common-rarity merchant armor.

Ok, they changed the stats. my bad.

Exactly, GW2 is skillbased.

[Senatic]

Lordkrall, on 12 November 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

They do not. Stop spreading false information.

Actually they do. It is not false information.

Compare for yourself. The Bifrost:
http://www.gw2db.com...s/56219-bifrost

Random lvl 80 exotic staff:
http://www.gw2db.com...destroyer-staff


Unless this was changed and I'm unaware of it?

Edited by Senatic, 12 November 2012 - 03:17 PM.

[skuko]

Senatic, on 12 November 2012 - 03:11 PM, said:

Actually they do. It is not false information.

Compare for yourself. The Bifrost:
http://www.gw2db.com...s/56219-bifrost

Random lvl 80 exotic staff:
http://www.gw2db.com...6-adorned-staff

those tooltips are false, stop spreading misinformation.

[Killyox]

Waar Kijk Je Naar, on 12 November 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

Legendary's have the same stats as exotics.

But, oh well, you don't need to get exotics either. You'll do just fine in common-rarity merchant armor.

No they don't. That used to be the case but legendaries were buffed. They have ~3% higher stats than exotics.

As far as i am concerned I don't really care about ascended.

Edited by Killyox, 12 November 2012 - 03:15 PM.

[skuko]

they day they introduce a gear threadmill into gw2 is they day i will quit and uninstall the game. this is not what i bought gw2 for.

[Arquenya]

jirayasan, on 12 November 2012 - 03:11 PM, said:

GW2 is skillbased.

Then why exactly then is it getting so hard to get best stat gear?

[Akula]

Senatic, on 12 November 2012 - 03:11 PM, said:

Actually they do. It is not false information.

Compare for yourself. The Bifrost:
http://www.gw2db.com...s/56219-bifrost

Random lvl 80 exotic staff:
http://www.gw2db.com...6-adorned-staff

The database is quite faulty. Level 80 exotic Staves all have 985–1111 weapon strength, this includes The Bifrost:

[Killyox]

skuko, on 12 November 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

those tooltips are false, stop spreading misinformation.

They are not. Ask anyone with legendary to link it to you and compare it to lvl 80 exotic.

Legendaries are 3% better.

Akula, on 12 November 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

The database is quite faulty. Level 80 exotic Staves all have 985–1111 weapon strength, this includes The Bifrost:

See above.

[Arca]

Senatic, on 12 November 2012 - 03:11 PM, said:

Actually they do. It is not false information.

Compare for yourself. The Bifrost:
http://www.gw2db.com...s/56219-bifrost

Random lvl 80 exotic staff:
http://www.gw2db.com...destroyer-staff

Unless this was changed and I'm unaware of it?

The tooltips are incorrect and outdated. Just like twilight.

Database

In game:

Edited by Arca, 12 November 2012 - 03:17 PM.

[Tyranno]

Ugh, ANet seriously? What happened to not having vertical gear progression like every other MMO out there? If this is the last one they add, I can live with it. ... But the fact they're adding it means we may see even higher tiers as time passes, and eventually it won't be Skill > Gear, it'll be Gear > Skill.

Edited by Tyranno, 12 November 2012 - 03:17 PM.

[Zelxin]

Killyox, on 12 November 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

They are not. Ask anyone with legendary to link it to you and compare it to lvl 80 exotic.

Legendaries are 3% better.



See above.

Khalija

Quote from Bunny »
I don't really understand the stats on this weapon.  Why is the power, toughness and vitality so low?  Surely it should be the same or higher than an exotic weapon?  My exotic has 179 Power, so it's not inspiring me to get a Legendary if the stats are so much worse...

The stats are not correct at the moment. The db needs to update them.

Directly from that link to bitfrost, site admin stating the stats are incorrect. Stop spreading lies.

Edited by Zelxin, 12 November 2012 - 03:18 PM.

[Arngrim Einheri]

WTF is Ascended?... first time I hear about it.
And yeah, Legendary stats = Exotic stats.

Edited by Arngrim Einheri, 12 November 2012 - 03:19 PM.

[Shack]

Surely this won't drive the prices up for everything even more...right?

[Killyox]

Zelxin, on 12 November 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

Khalija

Quote from Bunny »
I don't really understand the stats on this weapon.  Why is the power, toughness and vitality so low?  Surely it should be the same or higher than an exotic weapon?  My exotic has 179 Power, so it's not inspiring me to get a Legendary if the stats are so much worse...

The stats are not correct at the moment. The db needs to update them.

Directly from that link to bitfrost, site admin stating the stats are incorrect. Stop spreading lies.

And how does that matter at all? I don't give a shit about gw2db.com.  I am telling you to go look yourelf in the game for legendaries stats from someone who has it. Or you can look around looking for ANet quote on how they buffed legendaries by 3%.

[Aizea]

Arquenya, on 12 November 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

Then why exactly then is it getting so hard to get best stat gear?

It really is not.

[Biz]

jirayasan, on 12 November 2012 - 03:05 PM, said:

Then you haven't. Legendaries have slighly better damage then Exotics.

No they do not... Legendarily have same damage as exotic precursors used to make them. That have exactly the same stats as other Exotic items. Look it up or something =)

[Tellia]

Arngrim Einheri, on 12 November 2012 - 03:18 PM, said:

WTF is Ascended?... first time I hear about it.
And yeah, Legendary stats = Exotic stats.

maybe read the damned thread you are replying to then?

[Ritualist]

jirayasan, on 12 November 2012 - 03:09 PM, said:

This shit doesn't even matter, people think GW2 is gearbased like other mmorpgs.

We have these "tiers" of endgame gear now.

(masterwork etc is counted) Rare - Exotic - Ascended - Legendary

You can complete ANY content with Rare gear or even in masterwork if you want, you don't need exotic or ascended.

Guild Wars 2 is skillbased, not gearbased.

In a GW game, power is always a NEED, rather than a WANT. It doesn't matter that you don't ACTUALLY need it (my first GW1 necro ran around with collector's, AL 57 gear for MONTHS without any issues) - power being a NEED is one of the design rules.

[jirayasan]

Arquenya, on 12 November 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

Then why exactly then is it getting so hard to get best stat gear?

What is getting harder? if the content isn't getting harder, then you don' need to get better gear.

In games like WoW, Rift and Aion you NEED better gear to progress through content. you don't need in GW2.

[ogrejd]

Lordkrall, on 12 November 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

Until I actually see the quote directly from an ArenaNet employee I would take it with a grain of salt.

It would not be the first time Massively decided to post completely false information.

If it were "completely false information", it's very unlikely ArenaNet would have retweeted it from their official Twitter account (and, as said by someone else, their Facebook account [I only follow their Twitter, however]).

Sprinks, on 12 November 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

I think people are over-reacting. Let's see what happens. Give ANet the benefit of the doubt for now.

No. It's been a long time since they've deserved to have the benefit of the doubt (since BWE1, BWE2 at the latest).

[jirayasan]

Biz, on 12 November 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

No they do not... Legendarily have same damage as exotic precursors used to make them. That have exactly the same stats as other Exotic items. Look it up or something =)

Look back a few posts. I've already admitted i was wrong and the stats on Legendaries were changed.

[Lordkrall]

I suggest people take a chill pill until we get more OFFICIAL information about this.

People reacted the exact same when when Exotics where found, and did that kill the game?

For all we know the gear can only be used in the dungeon and therefor won't effect ANYTHING else in the game.

Lets wait with all this whining until we actually know what is going on shall we?

[Arquenya]

jirayasan, on 12 November 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

What is getting harder? if the content isn't getting harder, then you don' need to get better gear.

In games like WoW, Rift and Aion you NEED better gear to progress through content. you don't need in GW2.

Why have gear tiers in the first place .. I liked GW's original premise of "no gear stat differences, just player skill".
However you bring it, it's been changed to "a little gear differences" and it's getting worse.

Aizea, on 12 November 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

It really is not.

Really, well I don't know anyone that has best gear (full legendaries) on his/her lvl80s.
Do you?

Edited by Arquenya, 12 November 2012 - 03:30 PM.

[Lydeck]

Arquenya, on 12 November 2012 - 03:27 PM, said:

Why have gear tiers in the first place .. I liked GW's original premise of "no gear diffeneces, just player skill".
However you bring it, it's been changed to "a little gear differences" and it's getting worse.

"Player Skill" and "PvE MMORPG" does not compute.

[Arngrim Einheri]

I'm confident that if they bring new armor category it will be only for the looks. Call it legendary/ascended/whatever armor but I'm sure the stats will remain the same.

[skuko]

funny. i instantly lost any will to log in and play.

oh well, time to take a break for a few days until this crap gets clarified.