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#1 CommanderPC

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 12:53 AM

I’m struggling to choose between one of these two since I want to play a caster. I didn’t really like the necromancer so these are my other choices. What are the pros and cons of each?





#2 BlackDevil95

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 09:30 AM

View PostCommanderPC, on 13 November 2012 - 12:53 AM, said:

I’m struggling to choose between one of these two since I want to play a caster. I didn’t really like the necromancer so these are my other choices. What are the pros and cons of each?





I think I can give you some good advice for that, since I play both and both are lvl 80 full exotic already.

I mainly use my elementalist for dungeons and events, eventhough I used to spvp and WvW a lot as elementalist. Elementalist is pretty usefull in teams, however, it's not a profession that's made to kill. This, however, does not mean you're useless in 1vs1. As D/D and staff you can find your ways around to win a lot 1vs1's, as long as you know the tricks.

I use my mesmer now only for WvW. I help groups out getting into keeps, roam with it and win 1vs2 or sometimes even 1vs3, just because you can create so much confusion that you basicly kill people, without them even noticing who killed them. I love the whole confusion part of mesmer. It's like you're playing with someone else's mind.
However, what I don't like about mesmer is the PvE part. You have to be pretty supportive if you want to be a bit usefull for your team.

So kinda to sum things up:
Want support and PvE: Elementalist
Want to roam alone of with a few people in wvw and cause confusion: Mesmer.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 10:09 AM

I guess, since you've made this post here, u are looking more at the ele... isn't it?

I totally agree with what BlackDevil95 just said

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 08:56 PM

Elementalist is fun and fluent once you get used to all the attunement swapping, and it is powerful at aoe control and destorying large structures/enemies. The drawback, primarily, is that optimal single target damage on the elementalist lacks when compared to some of the other professions.

Mesmer has lots of unique utilities, and it has the highest single target sustained dps as well as burst in optimal situations. The problem is that there are so many random factors in the profession that you may only reach that optimal situation once in a while.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 12:48 AM

Go Elementalist if you enjoy being the belle of the nuking-down-a-ton-of-mobs ball. They're a more effective PvE support class than the Mesmer is (not to discount what the Mesmer brings to the table in PvE) but aren't quite as effective in PvP at the moment; especially in the 1v1 and 1v2 department.

Mesmer, as Cepa said, has the highest single-target sustained DPS in the game right now. They're not the easiest class to level (if you find yourself as an inefficient leveler) and are considered the most difficult class to play (which, to be honest, isn't really all that difficult.) They're not the biggest AoE monsters out there, but if you enjoy bringing a lot of utility to your team in PvE and PvP, I'd say Mesmer if your pick.

TL;DR:

Elementalist is a fantastic PvE class with it's massive strengths in AoE and the support it brings in the ways of slows, blinds, and AoE healing while not currently having the same impact the Mesmer does in PvP.

Mesmer is great sustained DPS, especially useful in boss battles where they also have the 100% haste spell that can really help a group knock over a boss or tough mob quickly. They're strong (to the point of being overpowered) in 1v1 and 1v2 in PvP situations, and will likely always be an integral part of a successful PvP squad.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 01:40 AM

If you want to be a caster, don't forget to try the Guardian at some point. On paper they may look like a beefy frontline profession, but they have a small health pool on par with the elementalist and can use a staff/scepter/focus like any other caster.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:12 PM

View PostCepaCepa, on 13 November 2012 - 08:56 PM, said:

Mesmer has lots of unique utilities, and it has the highest single target sustained dps as well as burst in optimal situations. The problem is that there are so many random factors in the profession that you may only reach that optimal situation once in a while.

are we talking about the same class? i agree with the sustained dps, but the burst... really no Oo mesmer has never had any burst comparable to elementalist.

mesmers also don't have much AoE capability, if you really enjoy AoE you should keep that in mind.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:29 PM

View PostSerris, on 19 November 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

are we talking about the same class? i agree with the sustained dps, but the burst... really no Oo mesmer has never had any burst comparable to elementalist.

mesmers also don't have much AoE capability, if you really enjoy AoE you should keep that in mind.

Standard shatter build and a hybrid sword-offhand/greatsword build both provide considerable burst. In fact, a properly built shatter mesmer can dish out well over 20k damage in a matter of mere seconds. On top of this, both builds also have decent AoE capability (thanks to both Shatter and most attacks hitting at least in cone if not in AoE), though nowhere near what an elementalist can throw out.

To OP: It's hard to compare them up-front, especially without specific builds. Generally, Elementalist is squishier (even compared to glass cannon mesmer) and has more AoE (by more AoE I mean they're completely unmatched when it comes to attacking structures and one of the best overall AoE professions in game, period), while Mesmer has a ton of different utility tools and abilities of dual nature (both attacking the enemy and supporting himself/his allies at the same time).

Which is better? None. Both. Depends on the situation.

Edited by tufy, 19 November 2012 - 12:30 PM.


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Posted 19 November 2012 - 07:16 PM

View PostSerris, on 19 November 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

are we talking about the same class? i agree with the sustained dps, but the burst... really no Oo mesmer has never had any burst comparable to elementalist.

mesmers also don't have much AoE capability, if you really enjoy AoE you should keep that in mind.

Before the patch, in PvP we all know how much burst a shatter mesmer can do. :) It can be even worse than 2 2 2 2 thieves, 16K shatters directly out of stealth = player in down state in literally, 1 second.

As for PvE, by burst I mean shatter + phantasm damage. Due to the fact that phantasms attack every 5-6 seconds, the damage is bursty. Imagine, if you have 3 iWarlock out, and it so happens that all 3 of them cast at the same time, that's 10K X 3 = 30K damage in an instant. Follow up with a shatter and we're looking at 35-40K damage in a second. Mirror blade is a bursty 6K damage every 6 second too. No spec in the game, not even the most bursty thieves and/or warriors, can do that much damage in this short duration, the fact that these big chunks of damage each occur in 5 or 10 second intervals is why I said that the mesmer can be "very bursty".

But of course, if you're talking about elementalist having to rely on fire grab or churning earth, which have much higher CD, then yeah the elementalist is "bursty" in that regard too. However, the amount of damage/time of a full berserker mesmer in optimal situation is still none surpassed. The only reason that this isn't as big of an issue as it sounds is that, well, that optimal situation is not easy to achieve.

After the patch however, the situation is slightly changed since, well, mesmer greatsword damage/phantasm is bugged. But since ANet has recognized this bug, hopefully it'll be fixed soon.

Edited by CepaCepa, 19 November 2012 - 07:20 PM.





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