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[Lalnuir]

Jackiepro, on 13 November 2012 - 06:17 AM, said:

You are assuming a linear jump from rare to exotic as to exotic to ascended. Nothing indicates that this is the case.

Seems like a 5 power and 5 precision buff, with a sizeable gain in magic find. The gain in magic find may be unique and the gain in crit damage may be less. Similarly in this image an accessory benefits more because they factored in the exquisite jewel, (gave 3 power and 3 precision). It is possible that they do not consider this for armor peices because those slots are commonly occupied by runes, so we have no actual information on how they intend to approach that.

Conclusion? The numbers you posted are by a large degree off, with little evidence to support their possibility.

I'm assuming that zerker ones will have slightly more power but slightly less crit damage based on the order of the stats on the rings.
So I say there is a fair chance of gaining +2% crit damage on rings, 2% on amulet and 1% on earrings which would gain be a gain of 8% crit damage. That's not even taking into account the chance they might add more crit damage to armor.

There are also these infusions which seem like they'll add more than simply agony resistance with their talk about offensive, defensive and versatile.

While it's not proven yet I would say a full set of ascendance will be as much a step up from exotic as exotic is to rare.For now I will wait and see.

This won't ruin WvW for me or anything I will still get ascended gear and continue playing but it annoys me how they claimed they would have horizontal gear progression and then go and add a new tier of gear few months after launch.

Edited by Lalnuir, 13 November 2012 - 07:32 AM.

[Serris]

and if you look at the screenshot,
the normal ring has a jewel slot, but the ascended ONLY has an infusion slot.
so this means you can better suit the stats to your build then ascended items.

Edited by Serris, 13 November 2012 - 07:36 AM.

[Lalnuir]

Serris, on 13 November 2012 - 07:30 AM, said:

als if you look at the screenshot,
the normal ring has a jewel slot, but the ascended ONLY has an infusion slot.
so this means while the base stats are higher, the actual stats are lower.

The ascend gets the jewel stats built in. See how it has + power and precision twice?

[Tellia]

Lordkrall, on 13 November 2012 - 07:17 AM, said:

Oh nooo. They are adding ACCESSORIES (not even armors or weapons mind you) that have about 0,5% better stats! They are ruining WvW!!!!!!

Seriously?

It is still very possible to run around in WvW and be just as valuable when wearing Rare gear as when wearing exotic.
And guess what?

The jump between Rare and Exotic is MANY TIMES HIGHER than the jump between Exotic and Ascended.

there are just so many things wrong with this post. how does someone who consistently posts the most stupid things i have ever seen on this forum get 681 likes on their posts? maybe this is an indication of the stupidity of this gw2 guru forum in general...

Lordkrall, on 13 November 2012 - 07:17 AM, said:

Oh nooo. They are adding ACCESSORIES (not even armors or weapons mind you)

the blog post clearly states that they are STARTING with accessories and backs, and that armor and weapons will follow. and it also clearly states that eventually we will be able to get ENTIRE SETS of ascended gear.

Lordkrall, on 13 November 2012 - 07:17 AM, said:

that have about 0,5% better stats! They are ruining WvW!!!!!!

even a second grader, while not able to calculate the percentage, would still be able to figure out just by seeing the numbers that the difference is far greater than 0.5%. since you seem to have failed elementary school math, here is the actual percentage increase rounded up a couple decimal points: 8%. which is only what, 1600% larger than your estimated 0.5%? at least you were close

look at your exotic stats, and increase all of them by 0.5%. then compare that with increasing them all by 8%. big difference right? and please, use a calculator this time.

Lordkrall, on 13 November 2012 - 07:17 AM, said:

It is still very possible to run around in WvW and be just as valuable when wearing Rare gear as when wearing exotic.

no one is denying that from what i can see.

Lordkrall, on 13 November 2012 - 07:17 AM, said:

And guess what?
The jump between Rare and Exotic is MANY TIMES HIGHER than the jump between Exotic and Ascended.

i cant be bothered doing the math to see if it is infact "many times higher" but i will leave you with this to think about: if the rare-exotic difference is, in your words, "many times higher"...then what is the difference between rare and ascended? cause you can bet if people are content with running wvw in rares now they sure wont be once all their competitors are rocking full ascended.

[Velron]

You're missing the point Lordkrall. Rings and backpacks are step one (and the stat increas is more significant than you want to make it out to be, especially if crit damage is able to increase even higher), the blog post very clearly states this is just the beginning. The treadmill is being implemented.

Serris, on 13 November 2012 - 07:24 AM, said:

dudes, before you start the rage and whine threads, look at what the ascended gear means. in gw1, infusion meant you were protected from a skill mursaat used on you. there was no actual pvp difference between infused armor and regular armor.
i would not be surprised if ascended meant you could choose between dealing extra damage to the new enemy type, or taking less damage from the enemy type or something similar like this.
and then future infusions would be new infusions based on new enemies.

Yeah I was hoping this would be the case. But the new gear is better than current gear in pure stats + has the new slot. They should have kept if equal stats to exotic and only added the new slot. Then everyone wouldn't be enraged.

[Inraged Twitch]

people are forgetting that this event and i assume all items within the event are a 1 time thing?  If anything the items obtained wont be usable in WVW or the affects will be altered in way that will prevent any enormous advantages .

[Lalnuir]

Inraged Twitch, on 13 November 2012 - 07:33 AM, said:

people are forgetting that this event and i assume all items within the event are a 1 time thing?  If anything the items obtained wont be usable in WVW or the affects will be altered in way that will prevent any enormous advantages .

From my understanding you get the rings in the new end game dungeon which you need more and more agony resistance to get further and further in. Not from their event they are releasing at the same time.

[zj12345]

https://www.guildwar...-ascended-gear/

This should help...

[Chaokel]

Its amazing how people reach conclusions without any real data.

We don't know how runes will be replaced. Or even if they will get more stats in the replacing. For all we know the accessory increases are there to make up for rune stat loss.

What we do know is that runes don't function the same as gems. That we honestly know knowing about rune stat replacement. That the gem stat replacements are not directly transferable to runes.


I guess it is to much of me to expect that people in an MMO community not jump to conclusions (on honestly very little real data). But if you want to continue to get mad for no reason, be my guest.

Edited by Chaokel, 13 November 2012 - 07:56 AM.

[Sinnacle]

Soulstitchmmo, on 13 November 2012 - 06:19 AM, said:

It doesn't matter if the stat increase is 1point. This is going to make wvw a ghost town. Think of what happened during the Halloween event?

New shiny gear only available through pve that is marginally better = ghost town in WvW.

Wait wa?  You upset cause new content is released and people will go do that instead of WvW.  Of course they will unless wvw gets new content.  Its going to happen at every event.  If there was no stat difference and it was 20 piece of exotic new good looking armor it people still go do that.

Its new its going to happen get a grip.  Try finding a CoF run when the new stuff comes out ok.  Not just wvw will be will see a decrease in players participating.  I bet cursed shore will be dead to the world during this event.

I dont get it you get the back piece from the forge wtf is so hard about forging?  Then go the ring in the dungeon.  Do people really think its going to take a month to go get a ring from a max 2 hour dungeon run?  Once people have run it enough it will be like I dont know 120 minutes for most groups.  

You don't have to do jack for the back piece except probably buy some materials.

[Celendes]

All i have to say is this.... when will game Dev's learn that certain people like pvp and others like pve while creating a balance between the 2? There is a good reason that to this day people still talk about DAOC. I was hoping GW2 could be something like DAOC, and its not. They have my money now, and i will just consider this an investment lost.

[General Typhus]

Soulstitchmmo, on 13 November 2012 - 06:19 AM, said:

It doesn't matter if the stat increase is 1point. This is going to make wvw a ghost town. Think of what happened during the Halloween event?

New shiny gear only available through pve that is marginally better = ghost town in WvW.

This is the most ridiculous pile of sensationalist drivel I've seen anyone spew in a while.

[Parthis]

Ahh the panicy MMO crowd is out in force today. Anet aren't stupid. Stop the mindless "Oh * oh * oh * it's all over" mentality, get the patch and play the game. This thread is an embarrassing read. The majority of you are under-qualified to over-think this stuff.

From what we can tell from what limited information we have, there is a VERY SMALL stat increase on Ascended items, however, you lose the Rune slot. That's a choice and a tradeoff; do you want Runes or a small buff to passive stats. Runes allow you to fill in where your profession is lacking. Infusions only work on PvE spell schools, like agony. Spell schools players will never wield.

The best thing about this thread is it's panicing about something that isn't even a reality on friday; weapons and armor are a long way off.

[Serris]

Lalnuir, on 13 November 2012 - 07:31 AM, said:

The ascend gets the jewel stats built in. See how it has + power and precision twice?

yes, i had edited it before i saw your post. you are right.

[bieberfanxoxo]

Haha seems the WvW crowd isn't going to be going for these new stats. Works out good for me, I'll just outgear you all and own you even easier with my ascended stats!

[Serris]

Velron, on 13 November 2012 - 07:33 AM, said:

You're missing the point Lordkrall. Rings and backpacks are step one (and the stat increas is more significant than you want to make it out to be, especially if crit damage is able to increase even higher), the blog post very clearly states this is just the beginning. The treadmill is being implemented.

Yeah I was hoping this would be the case. But the new gear is better than current gear in pure stats + has the new slot. They should have kept if equal stats to exotic and only added the new slot. Then everyone wouldn't be enraged.

i'm not sure why people are up in arms about it. are they not going to run the dungeon?

[RabidusIncendia]

bieberfanxoxo, on 13 November 2012 - 09:29 AM, said:

Haha seems the WvW crowd isn't going to be going for these new stats. Works out good for me, I'll just outgear you all and own you even easier with my ascended stats!

You'll be facing NPCs, not other players at this rate.  I don't think you'll need ascended against any guild claims, veteran scouts and tower lords

[M1k3l]

Coming from a full fledged member of the Tin Foil Hat committee and from the prospective of..., NCsoft will destroy everything,
Asuras in PvP will be the only class, Talent respect cost, Waypoint cost, all before the headstart....YOUR BLOWING THIS OUT OF PROPORTION!
Chill out.
If it's as bad as you fear it may be..then the community will rage, when it is that bad.
Till then just chill the f*** out.

Love ya GW2 fans but relax and see....


edit:
For those that may pull up my post, ...ya got me.
I was not a Tin Foil Hat subscriber but I did share your fears, just never freaked out because I have faith in Anet.
Don't love all they do but ...yeah, enough said.

Edited by M1k3l, 13 November 2012 - 10:08 AM.

[Voison]

Everyone's reaction so far:


(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻)

Edited by Voison, 13 November 2012 - 10:08 AM.

[bieberfanxoxo]

RabidusIncendia, on 13 November 2012 - 09:56 AM, said:

You'll be facing NPCs, not other players at this rate.  I don't think you'll need ascended against any guild claims, veteran scouts and tower lords

Considering you and others here are the type to run away crying because someone may have a +10stat advantage on you, I doubt you'd offer more of a challenge than any of those npcs you mentioned.

[M1k3l]

Voison, on 13 November 2012 - 10:01 AM, said:

Everyone's reaction so far:


(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻)

You made my entire post with lots of words pointless....

ty
;-)

[bieberfanxoxo]

M1k3l, on 13 November 2012 - 10:00 AM, said:

Coming from a full fledged member of the Tin Foil Hat committee and from the prospective of...

I'm an officer of the Tin Foil Hat committee and I'm more worried than ever fellow member, it's all falling into place, just like the Mayans predicted, this is a sign, the end of the world, it's all over!

Edited by bieberfanxoxo, 13 November 2012 - 10:06 AM.

[bashaman]

If I understand it correctly, the Ascended items will have the same stats as Exotics + slot upgrade. There should be no stat advantage in taking Ascended over Exotics (and even if Ascended have ±5 attribute points, it translates to less then 0.5% difference in character stats, which does not give you any advantage). The only thing Ascended offers you in addition is this new PVE mechanics.

If you ask me, its a very neat way to provide PvE progression without breaking the content.

[M1k3l]

bieberfanxoxo, on 13 November 2012 - 10:05 AM, said:

I'm an officer of the Tin Foil Hat committee and I'm more worried than ever fellow member, it's all falling into place, just like the Mayans predicted, this is a sign, the end of the world, it's all over!

Sweet!!
Lets use our pyramids in Egypt to ...umm...give a 1% bonus to..umm win and stuff.
Cause everyone knows a 1% perk will win every time.
Right?

[Lordkrall]

bashaman, on 13 November 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

If I understand it correctly, the Ascended items will have the same stats as Exotics + slot upgrade. There should be no stat advantage in taking Ascended over Exotics (and even if Ascended have ±5 attribute points, it translates to less then 0.5% difference in character stats, which does not give you any advantage). The only thing Ascended offers you in addition is this new PVE mechanics.

If you ask me, its a very neat way to provide PvE progression without breaking the content.

They do have about +2 stats over regular exotics and +5 stats for the slot upgrade. So all in all about +7 stats overall.

[M1k3l]

Can we vote to change the title of this thread to ....
Hyperbole IIV

... could not hurt and It is more descriptive.

Sounds wicked cool too

Edited by M1k3l, 13 November 2012 - 10:27 AM.

[Vayra86]

Anet just announced that they postponed the patch to a new date,

20-12-2012.

Oh, wait...

[Waage83]

THE WORLD IS COMING TO A END START CUTTING YOUR SELF NO"!!!! OH THE HUMANITY WVW IS RUINED!!!....

Sit down and relax. If the stat increase is not to big then i do not care. Yeah in the long run it could be bad and depending on a few things, but i wan't to see it in action first before i start gauging my own eyes out in a fit of nerd rage.

Edited by Waage83, 13 November 2012 - 11:00 AM.

[RandolfRa]

RabidusIncendia, on 13 November 2012 - 05:33 AM, said:

Suuuuuuuure, maybe this "New and exciting gear" won't give a sizeable advantage (not even known since infusion might add stats as well), but what about the next and the next?  WvW is dead to me.

And with WvW, dies GW2. Without WvW, this game doesn't have as much to offer as most other games out there.
The last thing I wanted to hear was that I can't just buy this armor with gold $$. No. Instead I have to grind  some retarted pve dungeon, fighting the same braindead mobs over and over again in the same linear pipe. Nice.

GW2 is so full of this "Play the game the way we want you to play it" -design, which is just as good as it sounds.

Edited by RandolfRa, 13 November 2012 - 12:03 PM.

[bieberfanxoxo]

Yeah everyone knows the only reason you pros will die next patch is because everyone out there will have a +10stat advantage, so disadvantaged, what will you do...?