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[XgreatArtist]

A while ago HOD was the top dog and eredon was in tier 1 too. DB fared pretty well. I felt i have been living in a hole because today i looked at the scores and was surprised to see these 3 servers dropped so much(even FA owned HOD...wdf?) https://forum-en.gui...ags-in-all-maps

Could someone, without flaming, please tell me what the heck happened?

Edited by XgreatArtist, 15 November 2012 - 11:18 AM.

[Lirea]

In short, transfers happened. Alliances broke up, people went their seperate ways to other servers, leaving their original servers as a ghosttown.

[Eon Lilu]

Free server transfers = I win button and killing WvW.....

[CharliePrince]

rather than ask what happened to HoD, ET, CD, NSP, DB, etc, the real question you should be asking is how do you prevent it from happening to other servers?

so what's the fix? what's the future of this game? i do not know. i am thankful for one thing. there's no subscription to play guild wars 2. otherwise, i know i would've cancelled long ago.

Edited by CharliePrince, 15 November 2012 - 03:22 PM.

[PvPD00R]

I would say a large majority of players don't much care what tier they are on.

They guilds that care, ARE the PvP guilds. As would be expected, PvP guilds look for like minded PvP focused guilds. These guilds will congregate on a number of server (Maybe the top 6)

If a PvP guild ends up on a server where 95% of the other player base is casual PvP, or all PvE, then they will not be happy, and they will not stay, they will move to a place where they know like minded guilds are, and will have their back.

Eventually the movement will stop for the major PvP guilds, and I believe it already has, for the most part. A server losing their PvP guilds will most likely be the result of the server not having enough support in 1 or more time zones, or a server not having enough support in the time zone the PvP guild is playing in. I can say from experience, it sucks being able to only cover 1 of 4 PvP zones, because no other guild in the NA slot wants to PvP.

If you are not an active PvPer, then why do you care what tier you are on? Eventually your server will come to rest in a tier were there are two other servers that have players that are equally interested in PvP and PvE. If that is tier 5, tier 6, tier 3, whatever, why do you care? When you want to PvP, it is there. If you don't want to PvP, noone will care, because your server will still most likely do near as well as the other servers you are facing.

We have already come to the point where we are balancing out based on server strength  Overall look at the ratings, only ET and HoD continue to fall. DB a little bit.

I believe that there will be fewer transfers over all going forward, as a balance is being reached at this point. I am sure there will be a lot of movement when a wide swath of PvP players tire of GW2 and move on to the next game, but that is the evolution of all games. Until that time, things are balancing nicely.

I am a PvPer, if I had to be chained to a server where noone supported me, I would quit the game. So you would lose me anyway. GW2 would rather keep the player and let him go find like minded people, then force him to stay on a server where eveyone else is farming Halloween candy, or thanksgiving turkeys.

It is the other players that find pride in where there server ranks, without putting in the requisite effort needed to maintain that ranking, that seem most upset about the moves. For a PvPer like me, I could care less. As long as I know others on the server are supporting my goals of world domination, then I am happy. Win or lose I am happy.

What pisses me off are the folks that don't PvP much, that do not have a lot of support or representation in PvP coming on the boards and whining about people moving servers. A good server, with good WvW support will not lose guilds, unless there are a bunch of asshats running around. (Excluding HoD, which was only good because of the guilds that were on it, and those guilds then decided to make the game more competitive across multiple servers.)

If your unhappy with your servers tier ranking, go to WvW and fight to change it. If you can't change it, then accept it or move to a server with like minded people.

Do not try to tie me down to a server I do not want to be on, because I am not forced to play this game. I play this game because I enjoy it. The moment I, and my guild, do not. We will leave. Tying us to a server with no support would just end up with us /forcequiting .

[funkybudda]

until Anet take a closer look at the transfer option, this issue will not stop. Even at 7 days per transfer, the option being free will still allow mass exodus to greener pastures. Anet really need to charge the transfer, or perhaps merge few "ghost town" servers.

[Omnirai]

As servers rise, other servers must fall. SoS and SoR got massive manpower injections - these injections came from somewhere. I feel bad for the remnants of those servers, but after more than a month of free fall I think the ladder has finally come close to sorting itself out. Just need HoD and ET to fall a little more and we have fairly competitive brackets. Until the bandwagoners move again, that is.

[Global_GW2]

These servers fell victim to a domino effect that takes place when the perceived core of WvW players of a server move to another server. TA broke up, most of those guilds either quit the game or moved to other servers, and most others also interested in WvW on the server followed, leaving a total void in WvW interest on the server. The same thing happened to ET when AA broke up and Ruin transferred to EU. DB was crushed by the move of the server's top WvW guilds to SoS, although the void left was not quite as great as the other two servers from what I can tell.

[MonsterDemon]

HOD:  Hardcore PVP'ers like TA alliance found out PVDoor ain't so fun so they decided to spread the love to all other servers...

ET:  Ruin decided they couldn't carried the entire server alone on all 4 maps, so they left creating a dominoes effect.

Dragonbrand:  Hardcore PVP'ers saw the new SOS and after facing off with them decided SOS is where they belong since it fits their style of play.

Leaving out all the drama.. that should sum it all up.

Edited by MonsterDemon, 15 November 2012 - 10:04 PM.

[G L J]

MonsterDemon, on 15 November 2012 - 10:03 PM, said:

Dragonbrand:  Hardcore PVP'ers saw the new SOS and after facing off with them decided SOS is where they belong since it fits their style of play.

This is incorrect. The hardcore PvP alliance on Dragonbrand left for Sea of Sorrows and created the new Sea of Sorrows.

[ilr]

It's not just the Transfers...  a lot of people are giving up on WvW b/c it just feels like a pointless Mini-Game right now.

Some may be in PvE for now but the ones who only played this for WvW, may not even be playing anymore.  Some have tried telling us that Planetside2 is the next-move / alternative but even that complete bag-O'-fail, TotalBiscuit has already concluded that PS2 is ALSO BAD for related incentive/Design problems and not ready to be shipped anytime soon.  He even went so far as to predict it could cost the game its continued existence, as we ALL are aware that Sony likes to pull the plug on things rather hastily when they can't simply be saved by manipulative Microtransactions.

Fortunately Anet has never had to worry about that sort of thing.  
But it's still going to take some serious effort to bring everyone back.

Edited by ilr, 15 November 2012 - 10:18 PM.

[LithePanther]

Henge has been in a downward spiral for a month now. How have you missed all the whining? :/

[Global_GW2]

ilr, on 15 November 2012 - 10:16 PM, said:

It's not just the Transfers...  a lot of people are giving up on WvW b/c it just feels like a pointless Mini-Game right now.

While what you say is probably true to an extent, it was definitely transfers that caused the demise of these servers far more than people getting bored with WvW.

LithePanther, on 15 November 2012 - 10:17 PM, said:

Henge has been in a downward spiral for a month now. How have you missed all the whining? :/

At first I thought the OP was trying to stir things up, but then I looked at their post history. It appears the OP is mainly a PVE player and doesn't follow PVP at all. It's easy to miss everything when you're never in this sub-forum.

[Gavello]

MonsterDemon, on 15 November 2012 - 10:03 PM, said:

HOD:  Hardcore PVP'ers like TA alliance found out PVDoor ain't so fun so they decided to spread the love to all other servers...

ET:  Ruin decided they couldn't carried the entire server alone on all 4 maps, so they left creating a dominoes effect.

Dragonbrand:  Hardcore PVP'ers saw the new SOS and after facing off with them decided SOS is where they belong since it fits their style of play.

Leaving out all the drama.. that should sum it all up.

This sums it up nicely, though to expand. The HoD change was more due to a few of the guilds leaving gw2 and then the remaining guilds splitting up to various servers. I'm not getting into the whole ET mess, a simply forum search will answer that.

[Impmon]

XgreatArtist, on 15 November 2012 - 11:18 AM, said:

A while ago HOD was the top dog and eredon was in tier 1 too. DB fared pretty well. I felt i have been living in a hole because today i looked at the scores and was surprised to see these 3 servers dropped so much(even FA owned HOD...wdf?) https://forum-en.gui...ags-in-all-maps

Could someone, without flaming, please tell me what the heck happened?

The same thing that will happen to the current Tier 1 servers & all the others.  To maintain that tier you pretty much have to make the game a job.  After awhile you realize it isn't worth it.  You invest all this personal time & in game currency to establish yourself and what do you get out of it ?  Zippo.

[Global_GW2]

Impmon, on 16 November 2012 - 01:03 AM, said:

You invest all this personal time & in game currency to establish yourself and what do you get out of it ?  Zippo.

For me, I get entertainment out of it, so it's always time well spent. WvW definitely could use some carrots though, which is something Anet has openly stated they are working on right now.

[Bottoms_Up]

Global_GW2, on 15 November 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

...the demise of these servers...

Although I get what you mean, "demise" is sort of an odd word; these servers are still around, they just slipped/are still slipping in the WvW server ranks.

HoD and ET, because they were so high in the ranks, have possibly suffered the most as their 'demise' has been prolonged. Dragonbrand, however, seems to have found their place. So any DB players care to comment; are you enjoying WvW now?

[Global_GW2]

Bottoms_Up, on 16 November 2012 - 01:37 AM, said:

Although I get what you mean, "demise" is sort of an odd word; these servers are still around, they just slipped/are still slipping in the WvW server ranks.

HoD and ET, because they were so high in the ranks, have possibly suffered the most as their 'demise' has been prolonged. Dragonbrand, however, seems to have found their place. So any DB players care to comment; are you enjoying WvW now?

Yeah it was definitely a poor choice of words. "Demise" implies something is destroyed, terminated or ceases to exist. I should have simply said "drop in rating".

[Bottoms_Up]

Global_GW2, on 16 November 2012 - 01:44 AM, said:

Yeah it was definitely a poor choice of words. "Demise" implies something is destroyed, terminated or ceases to exist. I should have simply said "drop in rating".

No worries - I was just sort of using it to raise a point, that being that dropping in rank doesn't mean the end of the world for a server if the WvW is still enjoyable. The real problem, as mentioned by others in other threads, is that the way the system works can mean that a drop in rank can be drawn out and tortuous, causing issues not just for the server dropping but also those who have to play them. How many weeks now is it that HoD and ET have been dropping? And they still haven't found their new place yet, often causing 1v1 fights in the tiers they are in.

[Impmon]

Global_GW2, on 16 November 2012 - 01:12 AM, said:

For me, I get entertainment out of it, so it's always time well spent. WvW definitely could use some carrots though, which is something Anet has openly stated they are working on right now.

Well DAOC for example you're realm earned bonuses for capturing the relics that were very noticeable.  Bonuses to melee & magical damage.  I remember my runemasters damage went from 800 to 1000+ having both power relics.  That and earning realm points towards rank.  It was something most people strove to achieve.  That and obtaining abilities you could only get via RVR.

They should invest something like that with WVW.

WVW only skills & abilities
Ranks
More WVW armor & weapons

[Alaroxr]

MonsterDemon, on 15 November 2012 - 10:03 PM, said:

Dragonbrand:  Hardcore PVP'ers saw the new SOS and after facing off with them decided SOS is where they belong since it fits their style of play.

Dragonbrand never fought SoS.

A number of guilds on Dragonbrand saw that SoS needed NA coverage, and so they transfered to build up that server (which was in t4 at the time of the transfers and is now about to go to t1 after three weeks of t2 fighting). Before the transfers from Dragombrand and other guilds such as PRX, SoS was not a winning server due to a large coverage gap.

Impmon, on 16 November 2012 - 02:22 AM, said:

Well DAOC for example you're realm earned bonuses for capturing the relics that were very noticeable.  Bonuses to melee & magical damage.  I remember my runemasters damage went from 800 to 1000+ having both power relics.  That and earning realm points towards rank.  It was something most people strove to achieve.  That and obtaining abilities you could only get via RVR.

They should invest something like that with WVW.

WVW only skills & abilities
Ranks
More WVW armor & weapons

That makes it inaccessible to anyone who isn't already a WvW player by giving those who are WvW players an advantage. It should always be about skill and coordination, not who has played longer.

The main reason I quit Warhammer Online, and one of the major reasons it essentially failed.

Edited by Alaroxr, 16 November 2012 - 02:45 AM.

[crowea]

Alaroxr, on 16 November 2012 - 02:43 AM, said:

Dragonbrand never fought SoS.

A number of guilds on Dragonbrand saw that SoS needed NA coverage, and so they transfered to build up that server (which was in t4 at the time of the transfers and is now about to go to t1 after three weeks of t2 fighting). Before the transfers from Dragombrand and other guilds such as PRX, SoS was not a winning server due to a large coverage gap.

Just to clarify that SoS did fight DB and through unfortunate timing it was the week after TSym etc moved over.

I agree with everything else. We were going close to +695 every night for a couple of hours during oceanic primetime and then lose everything due to lack of NA people.

And all those threads seeking oceanic guilds  to move servers use to annoy the heck out of me. I am pleased that such a great group of NA people (and Brazilians also!) came across to us - I like what we have going on SoS now.

[Wisdom]

SoS is the "Unofficial" Oceanic Server.  A successful WvW server need round a clock coverage. Brilliant Ex-DB WvW guilds know that. It must to join someone than ask someone to join you. A win-win transfer for the Ex-DB guilds as well as original SoS guilds.

[Impmon]

Alaroxr, on 16 November 2012 - 02:43 AM, said:

Dragonbrand never fought SoS.

A number of guilds on Dragonbrand saw that SoS needed NA coverage, and so they transfered to build up that server (which was in t4 at the time of the transfers and is now about to go to t1 after three weeks of t2 fighting). Before the transfers from Dragombrand and other guilds such as PRX, SoS was not a winning server due to a large coverage gap.



That makes it inaccessible to anyone who isn't already a WvW player by giving those who are WvW players an advantage. It should always be about skill and coordination, not who has played longer.

The main reason I quit Warhammer Online, and one of the major reasons it essentially failed.

How would an ability you earned in pvp and is pvp only going to take from you in pve lol ?  Fail argument.

[Kurthos]

The fix for WvW is to build communities on servers. Communicate between guilds, share ideas, work together, and have fun. Take your negativity and blame game to Planet Side 2 and whatever else MMO you choose to hop to in the future.

Edited by Kurthos, 16 November 2012 - 01:41 PM.

[Alaroxr]

crowea, on 16 November 2012 - 07:22 AM, said:

Just to clarify that SoS did fight DB and through unfortunate timing it was the week after TSym etc moved over.

I agree with everything else. We were going close to +695 every night for a couple of hours during oceanic primetime and then lose everything due to lack of NA people.

And all those threads seeking oceanic guilds  to move servers use to annoy the heck out of me. I am pleased that such a great group of NA people (and Brazilians also!) came across to us - I like what we have going on SoS now.

I forgot we fought Dragonbrand the next week once we transferred.

And yeah, I saw how when you fought FA how it would be a complete swing from you controlling everything at night, to them controlling everything in the day. Almost a completely 700 point swing.

Impmon, on 16 November 2012 - 12:01 PM, said:

How would an ability you earned in pvp and is pvp only going to take from you in pve lol ?  Fail argument.

Where did I say it will take from someone in pve lol ? Fail reading comprehension.

Edited by Alaroxr, 16 November 2012 - 02:30 PM.