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[RabidusIncendia]

FiachSidhe, on 15 November 2012 - 03:34 PM, said:

They're a shit company now. Shame, I heard such good things about them from GW1 players.

To be fair, it's not even the same company really.  The people that made GW1 what it is, back in the first 2 or 3 years that I enjoyed it in, are almost entirely gone.  There's Mike O'Brien left, and I think we're seeing what a swell guy he is   Shoot, the people who made GW2 are the people who made GW1 what I didn't like in the later years, and I probably should've made the connection.

And people saying most of the lies Arenanet made in the OP aren't so bad are mostly correct, I think the OP was just making a comprehensive list.  The problem are the few big ones, lies of the scale you don't get from other companies very often.

Endgame everywhere?  Not a single overworld is acceptably endgame, not even orr which is just facerolling risen.  Spamming 1 while sitting still is not endgame.  No grinding dungeons for tokens?  No excuse.  They just did it.  You can't spin that any way to favor them being honest.  They learned somewhat from their mistakes, but their compromise was still 3-4 times more grind than they said it would be.

And to be honest ascended gear just dwarfs everything.  The entire point of GW2 as advertised was gear stats not mattering and no subscription.  Going back on one of those would be like making a star wars game set in the lord of the rings universe or a mario game without jumping, it's just unimaginably wrong.

[cyclopsje]

_{Well ask yourself this do you enjoy the game. If the answer is Yes stop QQ about every little thing. If its No deinstall it and move on.}

[Illein]

Jump_N_Move, on 16 November 2012 - 01:44 AM, said:

I just wish they had never said they will release it when it's done. Coming from Anet i wanted to believe them, and that's my fault. But the state of the game in those 3 BWE, was no where near a finished game product. Beta, sure. They were great betas. They got alot of changes made and the game improved overall. But they were so obviously rushed it was painful to watch/play through. I mean honestly half of this game is still missing. Guilds and PvP effectively do not exist. Guild Halls/GvG was THE main staple of Guild Wars. They should of held out for a solid month or two before launching this game. I would have rather had another BWE and a month extra wait than this slow-release-to-appease-everyone-update garbage. Really, in my mind I just tell my self its still in Beta and play it like any other Korean MMO that never gets out of beta.

I think you went into the game with completely distorted expectations if you think the fact that GvG and Guild halls are the main staple of Guild Wars and/or a bullet-proof sign that they were rushed. If you are watching the most recent Interview of Colin Johanson (Courtesy of twitch.tv http://de.twitch.tv/...com/b/337726366 - 22:20) it becomes quite clear that Guild Halls i.e. aren't even really on their radar for things that need immediate improvement. So if you blame them for releasing the game without it, saying it'd have needed another 1-2 month/s to be "whole" for your judgement at least, those two things wouldn't have shifted a single perimeter in the meanwhile.

I haven't had a single game-breaking bug since the release of the game, there is stuff I'd like to have added, but those are things I weren't promised to have from the get-go, so whenever they are adding it, I'll be fine with it, in the meanwhile I enjoy the game I've got at my hand and its current improvements, critisize what irks me and discuss it openly.

Claiming that HALF of the game is missing, because the features you imagined to be in it, aren't - is just bulldip.

Edited by Illein, 16 November 2012 - 09:23 AM.

[Runkleford]

cyclopsje, on 16 November 2012 - 09:00 AM, said:

_{Well ask yourself this do you enjoy the game. If the answer is Yes stop QQ about every little thing. If its No deinstall it and move on.}

I enjoy the game. A lot. But that doesn't mean that I can't criticize and point out things that can be improved nor does it mean that I "QQ about every little thing". Wait until you have any issue with the game whether it be that someone hacked your account or that you just don't like the way your asura looks then I hope someone else tells you to shut the * up or just uninstall the game.

[cyclopsje]

Runkleford, on 16 November 2012 - 09:31 AM, said:

I enjoy the game. A lot. But that doesn't mean that I can't criticize and point out things that can be improved nor does it mean that I "QQ about every little thing". Wait until you have any issue with the game whether it be that someone hacked your account or that you just don't like the way your asura looks then I hope someone else tells you to shut the * up or just uninstall the game.

Angry much, dont take it personall but some things in the list are just QQ i dont say all are. However if someone post a list like that you must admit that it sounds like you have big problems with it all so then i say uninstall. And besides as far as i know i didnt say you had to uninstall did i?

And if someone wants to point out i QQ well then fine let them i dont mind.

Edited by cyclopsje, 16 November 2012 - 09:59 AM.

[Runkleford]

cyclopsje, on 16 November 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

Angry much, dont take it personall but some things in the list are just QQ i dont say all are. However if someone post a list like that you must admit that it sounds like you have big problems with it all so then i say uninstall. And besides as far as i know i didnt say you had to uninstall did i?

And if someone wants to point out i QQ well then fine let them i dont mind.

If you wanted to address a specific person then do so with a quote. Otherwise, an open post like yours looks like it's directed to a whole group of people especially with such an antagonizing post like yours.

[cyclopsje]

Runkleford, on 16 November 2012 - 10:03 AM, said:

If you wanted to address a specific person then do so with a quote. Otherwise, an open post like yours looks like it's directed to a whole group of people especially with such an antagonizing post like yours.

Well i must agree that might have been a better idea, after your reply
However if you feel you dont QQ about little things wich i believe why feel attacked so much. Oh well doesnt matter i guess.
Anyway have fun with the event and the new content.

[Tevesh]

B3aT, on 15 November 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

Even with ascended armor is still not required to play the game, if you want to FARM the new dungeon you will need to farm the ascended items, if not, no .

Arguments like this always bother me. So unless you can't log into the game without having the gear, everything is fine? It's not required to PLAY the game, after all!

1/10, try harder.

[Lordkrall]

Tevesh, on 16 November 2012 - 11:19 AM, said:

Arguments like this always bother me. So unless you can't log into the game without having the gear, everything is fine? It's not required to PLAY the game, after all!

1/10, try harder.

He does have a point though.
They only content that currently needs Ascended stuff is the deeper levels of the Dungeon.
Everything else can be done just as usual with the exotic or even Mastercraft gear.

[dannywolt]

I quit reading when I saw the OP used quotes from years ago. The initial design of a game will change over the course of development; show me a single one that hasn't.

[Ravnodaus]

Scizzor, on 15 November 2012 - 03:29 PM, said:

Sigh. More complaints.



I'm not sure why people don't understand that legendary items don't have better stats than exotics. Yet people continuosly bring them up.

Yes, Ascended items have better stats. Very small from what I can see. Like 10 points total? Nothing to write home about. We don't even know if the extra infused slot even has a stat increase to it. For all we know, it is only useful vs. the skill Agony. Secondly, they said that there was only a backpack and rings classified as Ascended... So no real armor yet.

Legendaries WILL have better stats than exotics. That is fact. When ascended items are introduced, legendaries will be up-scaled to the same top tier of gear. Ie...better than exotic. Pay attention.

Infusions WILL add additional stats. That is fact. The lesser infusion I looked at was +5 offensive stat. The difference between exotic and ascended is a good bit more than 10 points. 5 x2 for the minor attributes alone, another 5 from a lesser infusion... and the primary stat that has been showcased was Magic Find, which correlates poorly to other primary stats, but we can very safely, and extremely conservatively guestmate the typical difference will be another 8 for the primary stat.(some guestimates put it at over 20) This adds up to 23 total per piece minimum, of which there are going to be roughly 14 slots worth, for a rough total of 320 additional stats from upgrading to ascended (not including weapon damage, and armor! >.<). So no, not 10.

Downplaying the facts doesn't help you support your position, it just makes you look manipulative... much like Anet has been doing, and are earning a reputation for deception... because they are being deceptive....

CalmLittleBuddy, on 15 November 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

Too much hyperbole here to even take serious....

You know who to blame? You. You set up these unattainable expectations based on things they said and then waited and waited... then BAM! Where were you during Beta? Where were you during Beta weekends? NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE THEN.

Good grief, you're acting like someone commited fraud. all they did was sell a pretty darn good video game. YOU had something else in mind and it didn't measure up.

1. I've yet to have to grind.
2. I've found gear makes very little difference.
3. I've not been asked to Tank, Heal, or DPS since joining.
4. Nothing from the store is 'win'.

How am I doing so far?

Tell me what you expected and why it isn't in this game.

What crack pipe are you smoking off of? Nothing has changed since beta?? Really...
1. You've yet to notice you've had a grind....more importantly, you are oblivious to the grind that is now upon us.
2. Luls. You must not be observant. Gear is incredibly important. Think it isn't? Un-equip it and go for a friendly stroll through WvW. Come share with us your magical tale of still wtfpwning the local natives in your wake, k? I'm sure it will be an extravagant story of intense battles, high stakes, and clinch decisions, and of your inevitable triumph.
3. Woosh
4. Er... yeah. Not technically true. You can buy power in this game, with gold. Gems buy gold. Dollars buy gems. Thus, dollars buy power in this game. Yay! Wait...

Poorly?

Personally, I expected zero treadmill. Because Anet said as much. I again personally, was slightly miffed by the differing levels/qualities of gear from 1-80. But I never was outraged by it. it seemed counter to some of the things Anet staff said about the game, but the ease of acquiring exotics proved to alleviate my agitation. But to straight up introduce a new tier of brand *in new end game gear to replace the "old" one? Scandal, treachery, lies! I wasn't sold a game with the treadmill. I feel betrayed, swindled, robbed.

Vexies, on 15 November 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

The point is.. the game IS what it is. You may not like it and your entitled.  Your choice is to accept what is or get packing.  Beyond that  it doesnt matter.

False dilemma. Your two options presented are not the only two options available. I do not recognize you, nor your authority to enforce your demands of submission. Deceptive sophistry, all of it.

The game is what it is, as it is, now. Tomorrow it will be different, as it was different too last week. The game changes, generally in small and subtle ways... expansive and enriching ways. But too it sometimes changes in damaging and degrading ways. The addition of ascended gear is just so, it absolves one of the core principles of this game's development.

Levistis, on 15 November 2012 - 04:44 PM, said:

OK, people who sooo freaking unhappy, just leave. Please don't log on, go to Lions Arch and spread the word about how bad GW2. If you don't like it, then go. Some people are actually having fun playing the game.

All this rage and butt hurt over something not even implemented yet...just wow.

-----a happy gw2 player.

Are you incapable of tolerating the presence of someone who holds a different opinion to your own? You must rudely command them to leave?

Do you know why people react this way? I'll give you a hint... it is most often... they feel the same way. Yup! You heard it right. Because they are scared to admit that they feel the exact same way. It is a form of cognitive dissonance. You expel the concept that gives you discomfort, and it gives you discomfort because it is a threat to a cherished idea. A threat, not simply because it is opposition to the idea, no no... it is a thread because you already believe it. You just haven't faced it yet.

That signature "a happy gw2 player"... fun secret... it wasn't for our benefit you wrote that. By signing that as your name, you hoped to subconsciously reinforce your cherished idea, because you know that you already agree with what is being said here and you are attempting to convince yourself otherwise. It won’t work forever though.

Edited by Ravnodaus, 16 November 2012 - 12:57 PM.

[Ravnodaus]

cyclopsje, on 16 November 2012 - 09:00 AM, said:

_{Well ask yourself this do you enjoy the game. If the answer is Yes stop QQ about every little thing. If its No deinstall it and move on.}

cyclopsje, on 16 November 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

Angry much, dont take it personall but some things in the list are just QQ i dont say all are. However if someone post a list like that you must admit that it sounds like you have big problems with it all so then i say uninstall. And besides as far as i know i didnt say you had to uninstall did i?

And if someone wants to point out i QQ well then fine let them i dont mind.

You QQ too much about people posting on the forums. If you don't like what people post so much you should delete your account and leave. Otherwise stop QQing. (I'd prefer you leave though)

Because... you're a troll. And while forums, I'm sure, you think are your home... there are plenty of unoccupied bridges around the world just waiting for a chance to house you.

You're not even subtle. Basic level 1 trolling at best.

cyclopsje, on 16 November 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

Angry much

Lol really?

My favorite....

cyclopsje, on 16 November 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

And besides as far as i know i didnt say you had to uninstall did i?

cyclopsje, on 16 November 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

_{If the answer is Yes stop QQ about every little thing. If its No deinstall it and move on.}

cyclopsje, on 16 November 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

_{If its No deinstall it and move on.}

cyclopsje, on 16 November 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

_{deinstall it and move on.}

cyclopsje, on 16 November 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

_{deinstall it}

cyclopsje, on 16 November 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

_deinstall

Edited by Ravnodaus, 16 November 2012 - 01:18 PM.

[AarodCutshot]

I think they are I really enjoy the game if you dont adapt you will be left behind. You got your end game be happy I could care less either way since all I do mostly is spvp.

[CalmLittleBuddy]

Ravnodaus, on 16 November 2012 - 12:46 PM, said:

Legendaries WILL have better stats than exotics. That is fact. When ascended items are introduced, legendaries will be up-scaled to the same top tier of gear. Ie...better than exotic. Pay attention.

Infusions WILL add additional stats. That is fact. The lesser infusion I looked at was +5 offensive stat. The difference between exotic and ascended is a good bit more than 10 points. 5 x2 for the minor attributes alone, another 5 from a lesser infusion... and the primary stat that has been showcased was Magic Find, which correlates poorly to other primary stats, but we can very safely, and extremely conservatively guestmate the typical difference will be another 8 for the primary stat.(some guestimates put it at over 20) This adds up to 23 total per piece minimum, of which there are going to be roughly 14 slots worth, for a rough total of 320 additional stats from upgrading to ascended (not including weapon damage, and armor! >.<). So no, not 10.

Downplaying the facts doesn't help you support your position, it just makes you look manipulative... much like Anet has been doing, and are earning a reputation for deception... because they are being deceptive....




What crack pipe are you smoking off of? Nothing has changed since beta?? Really...
1. You've yet to notice you've had a grind....more importantly, you are oblivious to the grind that is now upon us.
2. Luls. You must not be observant. Gear is incredibly important. Think it isn't? Un-equip it and go for a friendly stroll through WvW. Come share with us your magical tale of still wtfpwning the local natives in your wake, k? I'm sure it will be an extravagant story of intense battles, high stakes, and clinch decisions, and of your inevitable triumph.
3. Woosh
4. Er... yeah. Not technically true. You can buy power in this game, with gold. Gems buy gold. Dollars buy gems. Thus, dollars buy power in this game. Yay! Wait...

Poorly?

Personally, I expected zero treadmill. Because Anet said as much. I again personally, was slightly miffed by the differing levels/qualities of gear from 1-80. But I never was outraged by it. it seemed counter to some of the things Anet staff said about the game, but the ease of acquiring exotics proved to alleviate my agitation. But to straight up introduce a new tier of brand *in new end game gear to replace the "old" one? Scandal, treachery, lies! I wasn't sold a game with the treadmill. I feel betrayed, swindled, robbed.




False dilemma. Your two options presented are not the only two options available. I do not recognize you, nor your authority to enforce your demands of submission. Deceptive sophistry, all of it.

The game is what it is, as it is, now. Tomorrow it will be different, as it was different too last week. The game changes, generally in small and subtle ways... expansive and enriching ways. But too it sometimes changes in damaging and degrading ways. The addition of ascended gear is just so, it absolves one of the core principles of this game's development.




Are you incapable of tolerating the presence of someone who holds a different opinion to your own? You must rudely command them to leave?

Do you know why people react this way? I'll give you a hint... it is most often... they feel the same way. Yup! You heard it right. Because they are scared to admit that they feel the exact same way. It is a form of cognitive dissonance. You expel the concept that gives you discomfort, and it gives you discomfort because it is a threat to a cherished idea. A threat, not simply because it is opposition to the idea, no no... it is a thread because you already believe it. You just haven't faced it yet.

That signature "a happy gw2 player"... fun secret... it wasn't for our benefit you wrote that. By signing that as your name, you hoped to subconsciously reinforce your cherished idea, because you know that you already agree with what is being said here and you are attempting to convince yourself otherwise. It won’t work forever though.

Can I just say you're ranting? Take a deep breath, homie. It'll be okay!

Using insults doesn't make your point stronger, k?

Again, there's been no grind for me. I have plenty of things to do to switch it up without having to do anything twice.

I have done WvW gearless. Stuff breaks when you don't have time to repair. Granted, I need at least level 10 weapons.

Your anger is clouding your judgement. Take it easy and calm down and look at the game rationally. Hyperbole actually hurts your argument here. Never argue from emotion. Never insult those you wish to debate with. Come back with something reasonable we can discuss.

Let's take it one topic at a time.

Grind.

What is grind to you and where have you experienced it?

[dondarrion]

Lordkrall, on 16 November 2012 - 08:35 AM, said:

The thing is: If you don't like the game or the company behind it, simply leave it.
Why post millions of posts saying the exact same thing but in different words instead of just leave?

Because they feel scorned and want to see the game shut down, the company bankrupt and are generally an arsy bunch of vindictive trolls.

I, for one, can't see any other reason.

Game is just fine, stop fussing and be less of a forum warrior and either jump ship or login.

[Ravnodaus]

CalmLittleBuddy, on 16 November 2012 - 01:52 PM, said:

Can I just say you're ranting? Take a deep breath, homie. It'll be okay!

Using insults doesn't make your point stronger, k?

Again, there's been no grind for me. I have plenty of things to do to switch it up without having to do anything twice.

I have done WvW gearless. Stuff breaks when you don't have time to repair. Granted, I need at least level 10 weapons.

Your anger is clouding your judgement. Take it easy and calm down and look at the game rationally. Hyperbole actually hurts your argument here. Never argue from emotion. Never insult those you wish to debate with. Come back with something reasonable we can discuss.

Let's take it one topic at a time.

Grind.

What is grind to you and where have you experienced it?

You can say whatever you like, friend. I'm nearly falling asleep at my computer, any deeper breathing and I'm going into a coma....

Using insults was my point, humor, jovialness. Poking fun of the absurd. You know that "har har" stuff.

Are you trying to lvl 1 troll me now too? O_o "Your anger is clouding your judgment. Take it easy and clam down." lol.

Question, how do you argue from anything other than emotion? O_O If you are not being emotional, you are not going to argue. You may discuss, converse, or engage is discourse... but not generally a lot of arguing.

But believe you me, I know you're right about one thing. I NEVER insult someone I want to debate with. Ever. (I'm saying I don't want to debate you, why do I have to spell everything out for you, gosh)

Edited by Ravnodaus, 16 November 2012 - 02:19 PM.

[CalmLittleBuddy]

Ravnodaus, on 16 November 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

You can say whatever you like, friend. I'm nearly falling asleep at my computer, any deeper breathing and I'm going into a coma....

Using insults was my point, humor, jovialness. Poking fun of the absurd. You know that "har har" stuff.

Are you trying to lvl 1 troll me now too? O_o "Your anger is clouding your judgment. Take it easy and clam down." lol.

Question, how do you argue from anything other than emotion? O_O If you are not being emotional, you are not going to argue. You may discuss, converse, or engage is discourse... but not generally a lot of arguing.

But believe you me, I know you're right about one thing. I NEVER insult someone I want to debate with. Ever. (I'm saying I don't want to debate you, in case you didn't get it )

So, basically, no one should take anything you say seriously.

[Ravnodaus]

dondarrion, on 16 November 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

Because they feel scorned and want to see the game shut down, the company bankrupt and are generally an arsy bunch of vindictive trolls.

I, for one, can't see any other reason.

Game is just fine, stop fussing and be less of a forum warrior and either jump ship or login.

Aha, the great black and white thinker in his native environment. Watch, as he complains about people complaining. See how nature has shaped him to blindingly ignore everything but two polar opposite extremes, and how he forms his understanding of his world in those contexts.

CalmLittleBuddy, on 16 November 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

So, basically, no one should take anything you say seriously.

Nothing I say to you. Inluding this... ah crap, paradox time.

[RedStar]

RabidusIncendia, on 16 November 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

To be fair, it's not even the same company really.  The people that made GW1 what it is, back in the first 2 or 3 years that I enjoyed it in, are almost entirely gone.  There's Mike O'Brien left, and I think we're seeing what a swell guy he is   Shoot, the people who made GW2 are the people who made GW1 what I didn't like in the later years, and I probably should've made the connection.

To be fair, I never understood people that have known Anet for 7 years and still think that they are an exceptionally great company. When I see GW1 "veterans" complaints about certain points about GW2 and say that everything was better in GW1, it makes me wonder where they were during the different grand exploits or security problems. Or the denial of the existence of an anti farm code. Or the introduction of Loot scaling and admitting that yep, there was an anti farm code.
Or the celestial pigs drama. Or the Xunlai Tournament House that was taken down for repair and never came back up, even after saying "yep we are working on it".
Or the "Yeah, we have other ideas, so we are letting GW1 die and we are going to create GW2". But this was all good because we witnessed the birth of the first Sylvari during EotN...

It would annoy me so much, but I wouldn't be surprised if in a year or two they tell us "Well start writing the eulogy for GW2 because we are going to make a new game"...

Anet isn't the worse company, and it's far from it. But honestly, how can someone be disappointed about them when they did worse in GW1. It's a shame some GW1 player love to idolize Anet, doing the company and GW2 more harm than good by over hyping them.

*I'm not necessarily targeting anyone in particular, it's based on observations from different posts through out time.

Edited by RedStar, 16 November 2012 - 02:34 PM.

[Lucas Ashrock]

RedStar, on 16 November 2012 - 02:31 PM, said:

To be fair, I never understood people that have known Anet for 7 years and still think that they are an exceptionally great company. When I see GW1 "veterans" complaints about certain points about GW2 and say that everything was better in GW1, it makes me wonder where they were during the different grand exploits or security problems. Or the denial of the existence of an anti farm code. Or the introduction of Loot scaling and admitting that yep, there was an anti farm code.

We left when that trash was online.

[Dasryn]

RedStar, on 16 November 2012 - 02:31 PM, said:

To be fair, I never understood people that have known Anet for 7 years and still think that they are an exceptionally great company. When I see GW1 "veterans" complaints about certain points about GW2 and say that everything was better in GW1, it makes me wonder where they were during the different grand exploits or security problems. Or the denial of the existence of an anti farm code. Or the introduction of Loot scaling and admitting that yep, there was an anti farm code.
Or the celestial pigs drama. Or the Xunlai Tournament House that was taken down for repair and never came back up, even after saying "yep we are working on it".
Or the "Yeah, we have other ideas, so we are letting GW1 die and we are going to create GW2". But this was all good because we witnessed the birth of the first Sylvari during EotN...

It would annoy me so much, but I wouldn't be surprised if in a year or two they tell us "Well start writing the eulogy for GW2 because we are going to make a new game"...

Anet isn't the worse company, and it's far from it. But honestly, how can someone be disappointed about them when they did worse in GW1. It's a shame some GW1 player love to idolize Anet, doing the company and GW2 more harm than good by over hyping them.

*I'm not necessarily targeting anyone in particular, it's based on observations from different posts through out time.

wow!  the crazy thing is, this guy is the truth!  he is telling things from experience!

[CalmLittleBuddy]

Ravnodaus, on 16 November 2012 - 02:25 PM, said:

Nothing I say to you. Inluding this... ah crap, paradox time.

Ah paradox, crap time!

brb

[RedStar]

Ravnodaus, on 16 November 2012 - 12:46 PM, said:

Legendaries WILL have better stats than exotics. That is fact. When ascended items are introduced, legendaries will be up-scaled to the same top tier of gear. Ie...better than exotic. Pay attention.

For the tenth time : what did you expect ? That legendaries wouldn't be on the same level as the best gear ? If it didn't, those that got their legendary would whine. And with reason...they wasted I don't know how many hours and cash to get something that they need to transmute to use ?...

Ravnodaus, on 16 November 2012 - 12:46 PM, said:

2. Luls. You must not be observant. Gear is incredibly important. Think it isn't? Un-equip it and go for a friendly stroll through WvW. Come share with us your magical tale of still wtfpwning the local natives in your wake, k? I'm sure it will be an extravagant story of intense battles, high stakes, and clinch decisions, and of your inevitable triumph.
4. Er... yeah. Not technically true. You can buy power in this game, with gold. Gems buy gold. Dollars buy gems. Thus, dollars buy power in this game. Yay! Wait...

What the guy meant is that difference in gear isn't important. And before you exaggerate it, I'm going to be more precise. When in the middle of a zerg fight, whether you wear Exotics or Rare, the difference will be really small. And after the calculations made by people and the general trend of evolution of stats between tier, the difference between Exotics and Ascended will be at best lower than the difference between Exotics and Rare and at worse of equal percentage.

And number 4 is false. With all the gold in the world you cannot buy exotics. You can only buy T3 armor which is only Rare. Every other sources of exotics use another form a currency.
You could buy ingredients to craft them though. But I doubt that's what you meant.

Lucas Ashrock, on 16 November 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:

We left when that trash was online.

Which trash ? Because the first gigantic exploit I remember was the dupe exploit, which was discovered when the game was rather young. And the loot scaling was introduced in 2007, before EotN was introduced.
So you left kind of early

Edited by RedStar, 16 November 2012 - 02:47 PM.

[Lucas Ashrock]

Ye, at beginning of factions. I saved my anger to not even see when the actual antibot patch went online, or i was going even more mad than when 55 farm was patched everywhere , runners too. I just followed the massleaving, happily enjoying a WAY better mmo so much worthy (BC )

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 16 November 2012 - 02:58 PM.

[Arngrim Einheri]

But the thing is that if you make list of the things you find in the game irritating, and more people agree with you MAYBE Anet will hear and change them. So is not a bad idea to make a list of things you don't like. Think outside the box ppl. If people hadn't complained we wouldn't be having GvG's in GW2. How do you improve a game if you always say the game is perfect? Well, you simply can't. Don't just go "unistall the game if you don't like it, get out and let us enjoy our party blah blah blah", cause those complaints may help improve the game even further.

[Ravnodaus]

RedStar, on 16 November 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

For the tenth time : what did you expect ? That legendaries wouldn't be on the same level as the best gear ? If it didn't, those that got their legendary would whine. And with reason...they wasted I don't know how many hours and cash to get something that they need to transmute to use ?...

What the guy meant is that difference in gear isn't important. And before you exaggerate it, I'm going to be more precise. When in the middle of a zerg fight, whether you wear Exotics or Rare, the difference will be really small. And after the calculations made by people and the general trend of evolution of stats between tier, the difference between Exotics and Ascended will be at best lower than the difference between Exotics and Rare and at worse of equal percentage.

And number 4 is false. With all the gold in the world you cannot buy exotics. You can only buy T3 armor which is only Rare. Every other sources of exotics use another form a currency.
You could buy ingredients to craft them though. But I doubt that's what you meant.

Go to the trading post. Set filter to level 80, exotic and either armor, weapon, or trinket. Search. Ponder what you just said. Come back and appologize for being wrong. Be forgiven.

I expect legendaries to be on par with the best gear: exotics. I did not expect that a new higher tier would ever be added, let alone after about 3 months... that is insane in a game that proposes to be anti-treadmill. It is the complete oposite, in fact. That is an insane timetable for the gear treadmill to start. Anet can say it isn't a treadmill all they want, but they are still doing it anyway.

I can tell you I would never, ever dare piss on you, while my stream is flowing and your feet are wet... I can say how important it is that you not think I'd ever want to do it...yet all the while ruining your new shoes. That is the strange thing about being lied to. The words don't represent reality.

I've done some speculation on the difference between ascended and exotic myself. By my estimate, there will be between 300 and 500 stat points difference from a full set, plus additional weapon damage and armor. the net effect to a berzerker burst build (simply because a number is easier to represent the difference with these set-ups) would be between 20-30% damage increase. But yeah, who's counting... what's 20% extra damage numerical advantage disparity between friends?

Edited by Ravnodaus, 16 November 2012 - 03:14 PM.

[CalmLittleBuddy]

Arngrim Einheri, on 16 November 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

But the thing is that if you make list of the things you find in the game irritating, and more people agree with you MAYBE Anet will hear and change them. So is not a bad idea to make a list of things you don't like. Think outside the box ppl. If people hadn't complained we wouldn't be having GvG's in GW2. How do you improve a game if you always say the game is perfect? Well, you simply can't. Don't just go "unistall the game if you don't like it, get out and let us enjoy our party blah blah blah", cause those complaints may help improve the game even further.

It's one thing to list what you don't like.

Quite another to call people liars and insult other posters.

Not that you did that. You seem level headed.

Also, posting what you dislike here on Guru isn't telling it to Anet, just to Anet's playerbase who reads this. Anet openly admits Guru is way too convoluted and cluttered to glean much useful information. Needle in a haystack.

I've worked in customer service before and can tell you without a doubt... we responded more often and with more urgency to polite email requests then forum lists of demands, and we hardly EVER addressed issues raised on third party sites.

Edited by CalmLittleBuddy, 16 November 2012 - 03:16 PM.

[Arngrim Einheri]

CalmLittleBuddy, on 16 November 2012 - 03:14 PM, said:

It's one thing to list what you don't like.

Quite another to call people liars and insult other posters.

Not that you did that. You seem level headed.

Also, posting what you dislike here on Guru isn't telling it to Anet, just to Anet's playerbase who reads this. Anet openly admits Guru is way too convoluted and cluttered to glean much useful information. Needle in a haystack.

I've worked in customer service before and can tell you without a doubt... we responded more often and with more urgency to polite email requests then forum lists of demands, and we hardly EVER addressed issues raised on third party sites.

Yeah, maybe the way he used to explain his points wasn't the most polite.

[GW Corrupted]

Baldur The Bold, on 15 November 2012 - 05:19 PM, said:

There is rarely anyone in my guild(which is pretty big) online at all now. Farming Orr can only take so much of your patience before you get super bored.

Lets hope fractals gives us all something to do.

There was never a need to bore yourself farming Orr.  Now you get to farm fractals.  Over.  And over.  And over.  Merry Christmas!  But I guess you won't get bored because you will earn 20 more stat points after 100 hours.

[RedStar]

Ravnodaus, on 16 November 2012 - 03:11 PM, said:

Go to the trading post. Set filter to level 80, exotic and either armor, weapon, or trinket. Search. Ponder what you just said. Come back and appologize for being wrong. Be forgiven.

I won't ponder anything and I don't need your forgiveness. That's player trading. If those armors were sold at 20 copper, would you still say that real cash give you power ?
Anet isn't responsible for how much players decide to sell certain items.

Ravnodaus, on 16 November 2012 - 03:11 PM, said:

I've done some speculation on the difference between ascended and exotic myself. By my estimate, there will be between 300 and 500 stat points difference from a full set, plus additional weapon damage and armor. the net effect to a berzerker burst build (simply because a number is easier to represent the difference with these set-ups) would be between 20-30% damage increase. But yeah, who's counting... what's 20% extra damage numerical advantage disparity between friends?

Did you remember to take into account that Ascended pieces already have a built in rune/sigil ?

Lucas Ashrock, on 16 November 2012 - 02:57 PM, said:

Ye, at beginning of factions. I saved my anger to not even see when the actual antibot patch went online, or i was going even more mad than when 55 farm was patched everywhere , runners too. I just followed the massleaving, happily enjoying a WAY better mmo so much worthy (BC )

Hmmm I don't remember any kind of horrible things around Faction. I guess the nerf to MM and the second nerf of AoE scatter could be considered bad, but I never found those changes to be the worst things ever. It did made farming harder, but really...farming was so stupid before that.

Edited by RedStar, 16 November 2012 - 03:25 PM.