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[Resolve]

cyclopsje, on 16 November 2012 - 09:00 AM, said:

_{Well ask yourself this do you enjoy the game. If the answer is Yes stop QQ about every little thing. If its No deinstall it and move on.}

If the answer is yes then you should go onto the forums and defend Anet from every criticism that people have! Forget playing the game, that's for other people to do.

[RedStar]

Resolve, on 16 November 2012 - 03:22 PM, said:

If the answer is yes then you should go onto the forums and defend Anet from every criticism that people have! Forget playing the game, that's for other people to do.

That argument being the counter argument to "desinstall the game" is a stupid as what it wants to counter...Not everyone is in a position to play the game yet the can come on forums, and some people can play the game and post on forums (while waiting for someone, between loading screens, etc...).
Or they are doing something else on their computer, like watching a movie, or even watching TV, so they don't have enough attention to play the game, yet they have enough to write a post.

[Resolve]

It was sarcasm.

[Ravnodaus]

RedStar, on 16 November 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

I won't ponder anything and I don't need your forgiveness. That's player trading. If those armors were sold at 20 copper, would you still say that real cash give you power ?
Anet isn't responsible for how much players decide to sell certain items.

Not sure how that is hard for you to understand. But whatever. Not my job to get you to pay attention to reality. You want to delude yourself into thinking that it is somehow impossible to buy exotics with gold, go for it.

RedStar, on 16 November 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

Did you remember to take into account that Ascended pieces already have a built in rune/sigil ?

Uhm, yes. Built in, that means part of. As in, included. Meaning that an ascended armor set has higher stats, plus the extra stats from improved runes/gem stats, PLUS even more stats from Infusions. Extra, extra, and...extra. Oh and extra armor. So that is 4 extra... YES I accounted for it, lol.

Besides. If I had come to the estimate of 300-500 and forgotten to account for it...you know you'd be arguing that the difference would have been even more? Your thinking strikes me as messy. I'm done here.

[raspberry jam]

Al Shamari, on 15 November 2012 - 09:02 PM, said:

There was also a lot of personal speculation that turned out to be right, your point?

Like what exactly? They even told us we would have account bound dyes, that's the kind of statements that people based their speculations on.

RedStar, on 15 November 2012 - 09:15 PM, said:

Huh I was actually glad to hear that. It would have been something horrible to not upgrade them. It's not that shocking to be annoyed at the new tier, but I never expected anyone to be unhappy with them upgrading the legendaries.

Upgrading the legendaries, for whatever reason, means that you can't just get exotics and then not care about getting more gear. It means that you have to keep going to max out your gear. That they moved the goalpost is annoying.

davadude, on 15 November 2012 - 10:13 PM, said:

I understand, Jam, it was simply my response to the "if money is the biggest concern, they'd not have aimed for the MMO market, which has never really... been a giant hit besides Blizzard's work."

But that would be ignoring the reality of that they could not make an FPS that would make them as much money as GW2 already has. Given their area of expertise, if money were the biggest concern, they should have released an MMO. Which, lo and behold, is what they did. Sub-free, because subscription MMOs can't compete with WoW, and with a cash shop, because microtransactions have the potential to make you even more money than subscriptions.

[RedStar]

Ravnodaus, on 16 November 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

Not sure how that is hard for you to understand. But whatever. Not my job to get you to pay attention to reality. You want to delude yourself into thinking that it is somehow impossible to buy exotics with gold, go for it.

Uhm, yes. Built in, that means part of. As in, included. Meaning that an ascended armor set has higher stats, plus the extra stats from improved runes/gem stats, PLUS even more stats from Infusions. Extra, extra, and...extra. Oh and extra armor. So that is 4 extra... YES I accounted for it, lol.

Besides. If I had come to the estimate of 300-500 and forgotten to account for it...you know you'd be arguing that the difference would have been even more? Your thinking strikes me as messy. I'm done here.

I know you can buy exotics with gold. Because players are willing to sell them. But all the gold in the world couldn't buy you a specific set of stats if no one is selling it. That's what I meant.

And...you don't understand. If you compare Ascended and Exotics, you have to consider Exotics with runes/sigils. If you didn't, the difference is bigger. You can't correctly compare two things if you give a bonus to one and not the other...

raspberry jam, on 16 November 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

Upgrading the legendaries, for whatever reason, means that you can't just get exotics and then not care about getting more gear. It means that you have to keep going to max out your gear. That they moved the goalpost is annoying.

They didn't go "Well we are giving legendaries better stats", they decided to add a new tier and made sure Legendaries would follow. They were moving the goalpost anyway, might as well move the Legendaries too.

If suddenly legendaries get better than everything else available, I understand why someone would complaint.

[raspberry jam]

Lordkrall, on 16 November 2012 - 08:35 AM, said:

The thing is: If you don't like the game or the company behind it, simply leave it.
Why post millions of posts saying the exact same thing but in different words instead of just leave?

Because I want the game to change. I realize that it will never become what they said that it would be. That they will never build what they said that they were building. That they will never reach what they set out to make.

But... There are things in GW2 that they could change. They really could change them, to make GW2 be closer to what they said that they were selling us. They are not fundamental design decisions, they are mostly simple things. Some of those things are listed in the opening post of this thread. Some are not.

GW2 is the biggest non-WoW title in the MMO genre, ever. Seeing how it's pointless to ask WoW to change, but also how ANet made promises that would, if they came true, make GW2 an incredible experience, there are many reasons to ask for those changes instead of "just leaving".

And since you will continue to enjoy GW2 even if those changes come true, why do you oppose them?

RedStar, on 16 November 2012 - 03:48 PM, said:

They didn't go "Well we are giving legendaries better stats", they decided to add a new tier and made sure Legendaries would follow. They were moving the goalpost anyway, might as well move the Legendaries too.

If suddenly legendaries get better than everything else available, I understand why someone would complaint.

Right. But why were they moving the goalpost at all?

[RedStar]

raspberry jam, on 16 November 2012 - 03:54 PM, said:

Right. But why were they moving the goalpost at all?

Oh that, I don't know. I'm not too fond of this idea, I like things to be done so I can start doing some other things. I guess that's going to motivate me to work on legendaries...once I get them I'll be done with gear grind (it will require a lot of time though).

[Shadow209]

The only reason, I grind for gear is, that I'm done with it and do something else. Grinding for skins is something different. For me the endgame starts, if I have max stat gear. When I had a full exotic 80 gear, I was happy, because I could finally work on getting the skins I want, doing jumping puzzles, or whatever I want, without having to worry about stats again.

Now for me this update basically means, I have to bother about the annoying parts of the game again :/

[Corvindi]

And I got my first official forum infraction.  They didn't take too kindly to my suggestion that those of us who don't like this new treadmill not spend money with Nexon, ArenaNet, or NCSoft in the future.

Okay, fair enough, I guess, their forum, their rules.  But that would send a very clear message that none of these posts in these forums could ever send.

[raspberry jam]

Red_Falcon, on 16 November 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

Nah, no one is buying this lie.
You perfectly know that crying here won't do anything to change GW2.
You've been doing nothing else than crying about every single feature of GW2 in the last 2 months and half, in order to make you not cry they would need to scrap the whole and create another game.

I've been complaining all the time because the changes I want are not yet implemented.
They are the same changes that would encourage people to stay on, so you should want them too.

RedStar, on 16 November 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:

Oh that, I don't know. I'm not too fond of this idea, I like things to be done so I can start doing some other things. I guess that's going to motivate me to work on legendaries...once I get them I'll be done with gear grind (it will require a lot of time though).

You what? If you have a drive to work, why not do something that will make you money? I like to play in a game, and work at work.
"Want things to be done so you can start doing other things"... What is that... If you want to do some thing, why would you want to have to do some other thing first? Just go do the first thing already if that's what you want. And if that's not what you want, why would you ever want to do the second thing?

Corvindi, on 16 November 2012 - 04:11 PM, said:

And I got my first official forum infraction.  They didn't take too kindly to my suggestion that those of us who don't like this new treadmill not spend money with Nexon, ArenaNet, or NCSoft in the future.

Okay, fair enough, I guess, their forum, their rules.  But that would send a very clear message that none of these posts in these forums could ever send.

Don't worry, I was banned from the forum because I quoted a dev and asking when we would get to see a certain feature that he talked about.

[Afyael]

RedStar, on 16 November 2012 - 02:31 PM, said:

To be fair, I never understood people that have known Anet for 7 years and still think that they are an exceptionally great company. When I see GW1 "veterans" complaints about certain points about GW2 and say that everything was better in GW1, it makes me wonder where they were during the different grand exploits or security problems. Or the denial of the existence of an anti farm code. Or the introduction of Loot scaling and admitting that yep, there was an anti farm code.
Or the celestial pigs drama. Or the Xunlai Tournament House that was taken down for repair and never came back up, even after saying "yep we are working on it".
Or the "Yeah, we have other ideas, so we are letting GW1 die and we are going to create GW2". But this was all good because we witnessed the birth of the first Sylvari during EotN...

It would annoy me so much, but I wouldn't be surprised if in a year or two they tell us "Well start writing the eulogy for GW2 because we are going to make a new game"...

Anet isn't the worse company, and it's far from it. But honestly, how can someone be disappointed about them when they did worse in GW1. It's a shame some GW1 player love to idolize Anet, doing the company and GW2 more harm than good by over hyping them.

*I'm not necessarily targeting anyone in particular, it's based on observations from different posts through out time.

They are doing far worse in GW2 than GW1, yes there was the whole anti-farm debacle and aoe changes but for the most part, people appreciated the changes Anet made. The celestial pigs drama was a reward to people that kept their pigs when everyone was deleting/selling them for next to nothing, I had no problem with that and most reasonable people didn't. The Xunlai tournament house was ridiculous, I didn't even see why it existed in the first place - people that never played or watched MAT's/PvP just put rawr in first place and collected keys.

Even if you were disappointed by the changes implemented in GW1 at least they didn't create a gear treadmill for stats (which IS what ascended items are, don't give me this crap about them being not necessary to play the game because you could make the same argument about WoW, rift, Aion and other MMO's).The skill changes may not have been balanced in GW1 but at least they shook things up, changed the meta and gave people a reason to play different classes), the skill changes since release have been very underwhelming, no real overhaul to skills/traits that need it.

It's still a good game but I'm really disappointed at what it could have been. Anet sold out.

Edited by Afyael, 16 November 2012 - 04:31 PM.

[FiachSidhe]

Red_Falcon, on 16 November 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

Nah, no one is buying this lie.
You perfectly know that crying here won't do anything to change GW2.
You've been doing nothing else than crying about every single feature of GW2 in the last 2 months and half, in order to make you not cry they would need to scrap the whole and create another game.

You really need to reevaluate your life, if criticism over a video game, makes you this upset.
after all you spend a great deal of time crying on this very forum, that you condemn others for crying on.
Or is your crying, somehow productive or justified?

Edited by FiachSidhe, 16 November 2012 - 04:46 PM.

[RedStar]

raspberry jam, on 16 November 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

You what? If you have a drive to work, why not do something that will make you money? I like to play in a game, and work at work.
"Want things to be done so you can start doing other things"... What is that... If you want to do some thing, why would you want to have to do some other thing first? Just go do the first thing already if that's what you want. And if that's not what you want, why would you ever want to do the second thing?

Should have better explained myself. Depending on the game, I can have many goals that don't necessarily have any relation with the others. It's kind of like if you throw a kid (or me) in Disney Land. He wants to do everything but doesn't know where to start. So let's say he more or less decides to start with the east side. Just when he's done with the east side and can move his attention to the north side, they create a new attraction in the east side. So now the kid is already at the north side, but something is calling him at the east side, and he wants to do both.

I don't know if you understand this weird analogy. I guess you could say that I like completing things and don't know where to look. For example right now I created two more alts, that are slowly, very slowly leveling because I'm playing across 3 characters, because I don't really need to play with my main. But once this dungeon is out, I'm going to do it with my guild, so I'm going to need to play with my main to get those rings so I don't fall behind my guild in term of getting agony-resistant gear (which doesn't bother me, because it's with my guild so it's going to be fun, and even if it's frustrating we are going to laugh), thus they are going to level even more slowly.
That's what I mean with "I like to have things done so I can move on to other things".

Afyael, on 16 November 2012 - 04:30 PM, said:

They are doing far worse in GW2 than GW1, yes there was the whole anti-farm debacle and aoe changes but for the most part, people appreciated the changes Anet made. The celestial pigs drama was a reward to people that kept their pigs when everyone was deleting/selling them for next to nothing, I had no problem with that and most reasonable people didn't. The Xunlai tournament house was ridiculous, I didn't even see why it existed in the first place - people that never played or watched MAT's/PvP just put rawr in first place and collected keys.

Appreciated those changes ? Wow, where you during those updates ? The situation right now is fairly tamed compared to back then. I mean, even before Faction was released, threads with name like "GW is dying" were being created on a regular basis (always made me laugh and recently saw one on Guru2, it still made me laugh).
The Xunlai House was a stupid idea. But instead of saying "oh weird, it's broken, but don't worry we are fixing it" they could have simply told us some kind of truth, or at least simply saying that they are taking it down while giving some obscure reason.

And the celestial pigs was a reward to greedy people...It was actually nice to see people handing them out to others that missed the event, and bam, suddenly you didn't need one or two of them. No you needed 5... (Never got either, didn't care for mini except for mini Gwen, the bunny and Shiro. And my dear Rot Wallow which I hope makes a come back in GW2).

I find that giving up on game is far worse than taking a slightly different route.

And I don't know if I could make the same argument for WoW. From my understanding if you want to do a certain dungeon, you need to have obtained the correct gear from a dungeon of lower difficulty, thus effectively preventing you from doing a certain kind of content until you do another one.
So far you need Ascended armor to do only one kind of content that has no ramifications. We'll of course see if that changes.

Edited by RedStar, 16 November 2012 - 04:55 PM.

[Afyael]

I realize that I was unclear in my post, people did NOT appreciate the anti-farm/aoe changes. I remember 100+ page threads on guru and people threatening to quit the game but I meant outside of those updates, people for the most part enjoyed the stuff they added like Hard Mode and later in the game's lifespan: War In Kryta and Nicholas.

Edited by Afyael, 16 November 2012 - 05:07 PM.

[Corvindi]

Afyael, on 16 November 2012 - 04:30 PM, said:

...snip...

It's still a good game but I'm really disappointed at what it could have been. Anet sold out.

Well I hope they at least got a good price, but somehow I don't think it will work out that way in the end.

[RedStar]

Oh yeah, some of those changes were nice, some could have been better but were still nice, etc. I'm not saying that Anet is a horrible company that did some stupid things through out GW1's life.

I wanted to point out, for those weird GW1 veterans that only have nice things to say about GW1 and only bad things to say about GW2, that Anet did some good and bad things in GW1 and they will do some good and bad things in GW2, and that I am quite shocked that they held Anet so high in their mind and suddenly became so outraged. It's not like Anet never failed before.

[Own Age Myname]

RedStar, on 16 November 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

Oh yeah, some of those changes were nice, some could have been better but were still nice, etc. I'm not saying that Anet is a horrible company that did some stupid things through out GW1's life.

I wanted to point out, for those weird GW1 veterans that only have nice things to say about GW1 and only bad things to say about GW2, that Anet did some good and bad things in GW1 and they will do some good and bad things in GW2, and that I am quite shocked that they held Anet so high in their mind and suddenly became so outraged. It's not like Anet never failed before.

ANet failed many times in GW1, so ya you're right it was stupid of me to think they would change. What makes me angry is they said they made GW2 based on their screw ups in GW1 and they learned from them..

[Fizzypop]

FiachSidhe, on 16 November 2012 - 04:45 PM, said:

You really need to reevaluate your life, if criticism over a video game, makes you this upset.
after all you spend a great deal of time crying on this very forum, that you condemn others for crying on.
Or is your crying, somehow productive or justified?

It's always justified for special snowflakes.

[Ingway]

Truly they lied about alot of stuff... I'm just waiting to see how many people will become their white knights if they keep going towards this path.

My main concern about these items with 2 extra stats and +7% to something like critical damage, WvW will be dominated by the server who has most of that gear, and of course 1v1 agains those will be way more harder.

Edited by Ingway, 16 November 2012 - 07:10 PM.

[bdatty]

I'm starting to think the forum is a place to vent stress rather than post anything of constructive, why this topic isn't closed is beyond me.

[Butcher]

Ingway, on 16 November 2012 - 07:09 PM, said:

I'm just waiting to see how many people will become their white knights if they keep going towards this path.

Everyone in this thread.

Before beta, I was speculative, but hopeful. In beta, I felt like a lot was delivered upon. A month after release I realized there's not only so much they went back on that I didn't see in beta, but they also lied about the biggest thing that made me want to play this game in the first place: no grinding. I went from level 1-80 feeling like the whole damn thing was a grind. Not just because it was a feeling, but because it's a fact. Fan boys, eat your heart out.

Just thought I'd post that before making the DotA2 forums my official home page. As it stands, I'm done with MMORPGs. If GW2 couldn't do it, then nothing will. Dead genre.

[Chava Blue]

Butcher, on 16 November 2012 - 07:28 PM, said:

I went from level 1-80 feeling like the whole damn thing was a grind. Not just because it was a feeling, but because it's a fact. Fan boys, eat your heart out.

See, that's part of the problem here. People use "grind" like it's the same thing as "spending time playing the game," and it just isn't.

If the gameplay of GW2 isn't your thing, that's cool - there are other games.

But if just playing the game on a basic level is grind to you, how could ANet possibly deliver a title without grind?

[Resolve]

Red_Falcon, on 16 November 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

You perfectly know that crying here won't do anything to change GW2.

Dude, people crying is why we are getting a new tier of gear.

[raspberry jam]

RedStar, on 16 November 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

Should have better explained myself. Depending on the game, I can have many goals that don't necessarily have any relation with the others. It's kind of like if you throw a kid (or me) in Disney Land. He wants to do everything but doesn't know where to start. So let's say he more or less decides to start with the east side. Just when he's done with the east side and can move his attention to the north side, they create a new attraction in the east side. So now the kid is already at the north side, but something is calling him at the east side, and he wants to do both.

I don't know if you understand this weird analogy. I guess you could say that I like completing things and don't know where to look. For example right now I created two more alts, that are slowly, very slowly leveling because I'm playing across 3 characters, because I don't really need to play with my main. But once this dungeon is out, I'm going to do it with my guild, so I'm going to need to play with my main to get those rings so I don't fall behind my guild in term of getting agony-resistant gear (which doesn't bother me, because it's with my guild so it's going to be fun, and even if it's frustrating we are going to laugh), thus they are going to level even more slowly.
That's what I mean with "I like to have things done so I can move on to other things".

Well, I'm mostly asking because there are two templates that match what you are saying. One is the completionist, the sort of person who likes filling in checklists. S/he doesn't really care about gameplay or such things, he just gets a kick out of seeing that list slowly fill up. Especially if it's part of a larger list.
The other one is the grindmonkey. Sorry for that name, no offense meant. It's the kind of person who plays as above, but gets enjoyment not from filling up the checklist, but from having reached a certain goal. Especially if that goal allows him to start reaching another goal. There is a subtle difference from the completionist, and also a subtle difference from the typical power-hungry player in that the grindmonkey always frames the goals as "something to work for" instead of "something I might get while I play".

The Disneyland analogy makes it sound as if you are a completionist. If that's the case... I'm going to be a nice girl and not call you names. Instead I'm going to ask you one thing. Now, this might sound as if it has nothing to do with anything, but bear with me here. Imagine you are that kid at Disneyland. You're slowly going through the attractions in the east side. While you are doing that, they build a new attraction on the east side. And another. And another. You realize that during the time it takes you to visit one attraction, they somehow build 1.5 new attractions; you'll never be done with the east side. Which is too bad, because on the north side they have all the stuff that you actually want to visit. Meanwhile, the stuff on the east side is a little bit boring. You feel the need to complete east, but it's not possible because they are expanding it all the time.

So you decide to skip the east side and just go what you want to do in the north side. The thing is, those are the things that you actually wanted to do all the time, and you could actually just go there right away. You just didn't realize it because you never truly knew your own wishes.

It pays to know yourself.

Red_Falcon, on 16 November 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

What changes exactly?
Not that GW2 can't be upgraded - it has a lot of room for improvement - but you don't seem to like anything GW2 currently offers.

If you have read so many of my posts as you claim, you should have seen my suggestions already. Primarily, I'd like to see a focus on making early- and mid-game more fun, and make it worthwhile to return to. Improve the downscaling so that when people return to those areas, they have the same experience as when they originally played in them (but with loot that is appropriate). Change the mystic forge to remove the random element from it, and change the trading post - make it fully anonymous and remove the ability to select list price to make it more resistent to price changes, and to fight inflation.
Oh, and, make Elixir X nonrandom.

I also have other points of note but they're not going to do those. Regardless, I want to affect the changes I can affect.

[Bloodtau]

Like how people are actually starting to come to the mindset I have had for months now.

Arenanet is nothing but lies. They will lie and trick people into thinking they way they think and do what they do and then discard them once they have bled them dry.

Community caring? i'm yet to see this big bold statement they said be put to action.

[cyclopsje]

Ravnodaus, on 16 November 2012 - 01:17 PM, said:

You QQ too much about people posting on the forums. If you don't like what people post so much you should delete your account and leave. Otherwise stop QQing. (I'd prefer you leave though)

Because... you're a troll. And while forums, I'm sure, you think are your home... there are plenty of unoccupied bridges around the world just waiting for a chance to house you.

You're not even subtle. Basic level 1 trolling at best.



Lol really?

My favorite....

Just wow nice copy paste there mate

[GW Corrupted]

Rickter, on 15 November 2012 - 11:22 PM, said:

personally i think Guru should adopt ANet's forum policies - delete anything negative about the game being posted.

why?

because think about it, if you have a complaint, you throw it in a suggestion box or contact support directly.  threads like these serve no purpose because it ALWAYS boils down to unconstructive, supporters vs. non supporters.

besides, it will not get heard.  ANet does not care about one little thread on a minority guild wars forum.  when im in game actually playing, people are having a great time.  they are having fun and they are content with the upcoming changes.  when ascended armor is mentioned it gets shut down by the community that matters - the ones actually playing the game.

thats what ANet listens to.

There are plenty of other people worthy of talking to other than ANet.  Why are you so invested in others' conversations that you think they should be deleted?

[GW Corrupted]

Corvindi, on 16 November 2012 - 04:11 PM, said:

And I got my first official forum infraction.  They didn't take too kindly to my suggestion that those of us who don't like this new treadmill not spend money with Nexon, ArenaNet, or NCSoft in the future.

Okay, fair enough, I guess, their forum, their rules.  But that would send a very clear message that none of these posts in these forums could ever send.

The forum police turned to draconian measures to stifle protests...  I'm sure there are hundreds to thousands of deleted posts that were deleted for no good reason.  I know several of my posts were deleted for "not being meaningful enough."  I beg to differ in the light of all the +1 posts and other fluff they let through.

[FiachSidhe]

Red_Falcon, on 16 November 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

I agree completely.

There's no stalking here, champ. I didn't follow you to another forum, or to whatever McDonalds you work at, etc.
I'm on the same forum you are, participating in the same conversations you ruin.

So what? You have no answer? You pretty much going to ignore that you're a giant hypocrite, and keep chastising others for something you won't stop doing? Can't even address it?
How does a supporter of the game such as yourself, actually manage to make a fansite less enjoyable, than someone like me, who can be  an overly verbose, overly critical ass?

So is everyone else who regularly calls you on your bullshit, also a stalker?