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#1 Artypartytime

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 03:58 PM

I hate crafting.
I hate gathering materials.
but at the moment that seems to be the only method of getting items of any cool factor.
am i missing something?
doing dungeons rarely gives you anything.
killings mobs never gives you anything.

#2 Tenofas

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:02 PM

You can buy ANYTHING on the Trading Post!
You don't need to craft anything at all.  Just sell what you get from dungeons and mobs, and with the money buy at the Trading Post.

#3 Azure Skye

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:06 PM

View PostTenofas, on 16 November 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:

You can buy ANYTHING on the Trading Post!
You don't need to craft anything at all.  Just sell what you get from dungeons and mobs, and with the money buy at the Trading Post.
I agree with this but if you are looking for something specifically stat wise or cant find it in the trading post, you can always craft it but i wont look the same if you are going with armor. Crafting is convenience to things.

Edited by Azure Skye, 16 November 2012 - 04:08 PM.


#4 Gremlin

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:09 PM

Why do you have to craft anything
Why do you have to kill anything
Why do you have to wander the game world
Why do you have to create a character
Why do you have to do anything in a game.

Answer you don't

I also don't happen to think crafted items look any better than dropped or reward items.
Now if they let us choose the final look as part of the crafting then we would have something

Edited by Gremlin, 16 November 2012 - 04:19 PM.


#5 B3aT

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:09 PM

Cool ? Crafting items are ugly and the variations of stats are limited, dungeons have a bigger range and they look better.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:11 PM

View PostArtypartytime, on 16 November 2012 - 03:58 PM, said:

I hate crafting.
I hate gathering materials.
but at the moment that seems to be the only method of getting items of any cool factor.
am i missing something?
doing dungeons rarely gives you anything.
killings mobs never gives you anything.

What are you talking about specifically? All crafted armor, in terms of stats, are available from dungeon badges, and all weapons too. So far there isn't exotic jewelry from dungeons, but that's about it. If you want the crafted armor skins, yeah, you can just buy them off the TP.

#7 Artypartytime

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 05:14 PM

View PostGhostwing, on 16 November 2012 - 04:11 PM, said:

What are you talking about specifically? All crafted armor, in terms of stats, are available from dungeon badges, and all weapons too. So far there isn't exotic jewelry from dungeons, but that's about it. If you want the crafted armor skins, yeah, you can just buy them off the TP.

Just tallking about armor skins.
sure i can buy them off trading post.
but why isnt there more fun ways of finding them.
Killing monsters, Completing Dynamic events blah blah.

#8 Milennin

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 05:20 PM

I never had to craft anything. I mostly bought my gear on the trade post or with dungeon tokens.

View PostArtypartytime, on 16 November 2012 - 05:14 PM, said:

Just tallking about armor skins.
sure i can buy them off trading post.
but why isnt there more fun ways of finding them.
Killing monsters, Completing Dynamic events blah blah.

Why are you complaining about having to play the game to get your stuff? Sounds like you don't enjoy the game at all...

#9 RedStar

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 05:24 PM

View PostArtypartytime, on 16 November 2012 - 05:14 PM, said:

Killing monsters, Completing Dynamic events blah blah.

Yep kind of disappointed that there aren't specific monsters/dungeons/DEs that drop an armor/weapon skin that can't be found anywhere else. Tokens aren't the same thing...you aren't as happy (and/or frustrated) when you get dungeon tokens as you would be if you could find a special skin.

Getting the best equipment available should be easy, but it seems that in GW2 there isn't a rare armor or weapon skin...there's almost nothing that depends on sheer luck (don't mention the BLC).

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 05:38 PM

View PostRedStar, on 16 November 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

Yep kind of disappointed that there aren't specific monsters/dungeons/DEs that drop an armor/weapon skin that can't be found anywhere else. Tokens aren't the same thing...you aren't as happy (and/or frustrated) when you get dungeon tokens as you would be if you could find a special skin.

Getting the best equipment available should be easy, but it seems that in GW2 there isn't a rare armor or weapon skin...there's almost nothing that depends on sheer luck (don't mention the BLC).

I prefer it not to have the random drop element. This is a feature for me.

#11 CaakEE

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 05:49 PM

Do dungeons>tokens>gear> profit.

#12 Resolve

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 05:58 PM

I do get where the OP is coming from. I miss getting cool weapon skin drops from bosses ala GW1

But we do have the token system which is good. I just wish the random mystic forge skins could drop from things as well.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 06:10 PM

I wish you could preview stuff in the AH, that's my only beef.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 06:32 PM

View Poststy0pa, on 16 November 2012 - 06:10 PM, said:

I wish you could preview stuff in the AH, that's my only beef.
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#15 Artypartytime

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:32 PM

View PostMilennin, on 16 November 2012 - 05:20 PM, said:

I never had to craft anything. I mostly bought my gear on the trade post or with dungeon tokens.



Why are you complaining about having to play the game to get your stuff? Sounds like you don't enjoy the game at all...

you are a great reader. (End sarcasm)
I want to play the game to get gear. I dont want to craft or just buy off the trading post. Thats not fun for me. I want to go deep into a dungeon  and find a rare piece. I want to search for that champion monster and get his special weapon. I want to finish a jumping puzzle to find something special.

Buying from the trading post is not playing the game.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:39 PM

View PostArtypartytime, on 16 November 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

you are a great reader. (End sarcasm)
I want to play the game to get gear. I dont want to craft or just buy off the trading post. Thats not fun for me. I want to go deep into a dungeon  and find a rare piece. I want to search for that champion monster and get his special weapon. I want to finish a jumping puzzle to find something special.

That sounds too much like GW1, the WoW fans here are not going to like it.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:45 PM

View PostArtypartytime, on 16 November 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

you are a great reader. (End sarcasm)
I want to play the game to get gear. I dont want to craft or just buy off the trading post. Thats not fun for me. I want to go deep into a dungeon  and find a rare piece. I want to search for that champion monster and get his special weapon. I want to finish a jumping puzzle to find something special.

Buying from the trading post is not playing the game.

I had hoped that killing shit would be the primary way of playing the game, with everything else supporting this. As it turns out, the game a mishmash of 3 million parts and you are actually expected to do a ton of these activities with the game punishing you severely if you opt out of them.
I want to log in for a few hours, kill shit and feel like I achieved something. But unless I kill shit WHILE pretending to be playing Harvest Moon/Mario and making purses, the game puts my progression at a halt.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 09:08 PM

View PostArtypartytime, on 16 November 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

you are a great reader. (End sarcasm)
I want to play the game to get gear. I dont want to craft or just buy off the trading post. Thats not fun for me. I want to go deep into a dungeon  and find a rare piece. I want to search for that champion monster and get his special weapon. I want to finish a jumping puzzle to find something special.

Buying from the trading post is not playing the game.

Making money doing anything you like in the game is, though.
But I guess some people prefer the RNG method...

#19 Gli

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 10:32 PM

I hate the drops in the game too, but they seem to have improved, I'll see when I get a chance to play.

I can't help wondering though, when did RPGs become about compiling shopping lists while studying wiki-pages?

View PostMilennin, on 16 November 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

But I guess some people prefer the RNG method...
It beats the hell out of compiling shopping lists while studying wiki-pages.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 10:48 PM

View PostGli, on 16 November 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

I hate the drops in the game too, but they seem to have improved, I'll see when I get a chance to play.

I can't help wondering though, when did RPGs become about compiling shopping lists while studying wiki-pages?


It beats the hell out of compiling shopping lists while studying wiki-pages.

I don't know what wiki-pages have to do with playing the game, but ok...
I do whatever I like in the game. It makes me money. When I have enough, I buy what I like. Sure beats the hell out grinding the same mob over again and hope for a lucky drop.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 11:03 PM

View PostAzure Skye, on 16 November 2012 - 04:06 PM, said:

or cant find it in the trading post
There is no such animal

If it can be traded, it WILL appear on the TP


OP should have title this thread:  "I hate soulbound'ing"

Edited by ilr, 16 November 2012 - 11:04 PM.


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Posted 16 November 2012 - 11:15 PM

View PostArtypartytime, on 16 November 2012 - 03:58 PM, said:

I hate crafting.
I hate gathering materials.
but at the moment that seems to be the only method of getting items of any cool factor.
am i missing something?
doing dungeons rarely gives you anything.
killings mobs never gives you anything.
No, you are not missing anything. Crafting is, realistically speaking, not optional in this game.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 11:19 PM

View PostArtypartytime, on 16 November 2012 - 05:14 PM, said:

Just tallking about armor skins.
sure i can buy them off trading post.
but why isnt there more fun ways of finding them.
Killing monsters, Completing Dynamic events blah blah.
you mean like having specific armor sets that drop out of ''named mobs'' as I like to call them, from f.ex aion?
That would be so cool!

#24 Haishao

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 11:29 PM

Other than artificing and cooking, I find crafting to be very useless and boring.
although I don't think the crafted skins should come from anywhere else than crafting. It would make craft even more completely useless than it already is.
I think there should be more and better looking skin and that some should only be found in certain place or certain monster. I really, really hate this "everything drop anything" method that most MMO are using now. It makes everything look like unneeded trash.

Edited by Haishao, 16 November 2012 - 11:30 PM.


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Posted 17 November 2012 - 01:02 AM

View PostMilennin, on 16 November 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:

I don't know what wiki-pages have to do with playing the game, but ok...
I do whatever I like in the game. It makes me money. When I have enough, I buy what I like. Sure beats the hell out grinding the same mob over again and hope for a lucky drop.
How am I to even know that I like a certain skin, like, for example, the skins of this list: http://wiki.guildwar...rge/Other_Items other than to have a look at that list? Maybe just try to discover each and every recipe for myself?

And your 'grinding the same mob' argument is a straw man fallacy. That's not the only way to work random drops into a game.

Edited by Gli, 17 November 2012 - 01:02 AM.


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Posted 17 November 2012 - 01:29 AM

Hunting and looting, trophy weapons and armor. I don't mind doing dungeons, just not like 20 times the same ones.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 01:56 AM

View PostGli, on 17 November 2012 - 01:02 AM, said:

How am I to even know that I like a certain skin, like, for example, the skins of this list: http://wiki.guildwar...rge/Other_Items other than to have a look at that list? Maybe just try to discover each and every recipe for myself?

And your 'grinding the same mob' argument is a straw man fallacy. That's not the only way to work random drops into a game.

Because rezoning bosses for hours on end in GW hm to get their greens was sooooo fun. Also, you might want to check the patch notes, apparently there's unique gear that drops from certain bosses in certain dungeons now.

Edited by Valkaire, 17 November 2012 - 01:57 AM.


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Posted 17 November 2012 - 02:02 AM

View Postraspberry jam, on 16 November 2012 - 11:15 PM, said:

No, you are not missing anything. Crafting is, realistically speaking, not optional in this game.
I started crafting on my main purely for completion's sake to get a legendary weapon (which I might no longer want anymore even).
I am not planning to get any legendary weapon for any of my alts.

I can think of no good reason why I must craft on my alts.

Edited by Trei, 17 November 2012 - 03:12 AM.


#29 Gli

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 02:24 AM

View PostValkaire, on 17 November 2012 - 01:56 AM, said:

Because rezoning bosses for hours on end in GW hm to get their greens was sooooo fun. Also, you might want to check the patch notes, apparently there's unique gear that drops from certain bosses in certain dungeons now.
Did you read the post you quoted?

And your 'grinding the same mob' argument is a straw man fallacy. That's not the only way to work random drops into a game.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 02:37 AM

View PostGli, on 17 November 2012 - 02:24 AM, said:

Did you read the post you quoted?

And your 'grinding the same mob' argument is a straw man fallacy. That's not the only way to work random drops into a game.

Really? There are random drops throughout the game. You can get rares/exotics from mobs. You can get precursors from mobs or chests. You can get the special Shaman's Etched Weapons as drops, for completion of FGS or from the Jormag chest. That's all random.

You do not have to craft. You can go kill mobs to get loot. There are hundreds of armor and weapon galleries for you to find stuff, or go see what you like in the PvP locker and take a screenshot and ask someone on here.

RNG is an annoyance and should not be forced on anyone that doesn't want to grind mobs to get drops and thank god that it's not. If you're saying that grinding the same mob isn't the only way to put unique drops into the game, how else do you propose? Have unique drops from the same type of enemy? If so, how is that any different from grinding the same mob? Please, tell us these other ways to incorporate RNG drops into the game without it becoming a single-mob grind.




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