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[MaLeVoLenT_1]

DeagarFA, on 19 November 2012 - 10:55 PM, said:

FoE was part of Ascension Alliance. Besides Ruin they were probably the strongest force in AA.

Ok yeah that was my mix up I know they were apart of one of the top alliances.

[Global_GW2]

Kleenex, on 19 November 2012 - 10:35 PM, said:

The only difference between a Tier 1 server and the rest is Coverage nothing more. There are good and well coordinated guild on ever server. You just don't hear about them. SoS has gotten the large portion of the TA breakup. BG has lost a couple of guilds. Pretty sure ELTE has also moved to SoS.

BG already has weak Coverage and guild leaving them to rot, means that they will struggle in Tier 1 (if they move up).

There's a good amount of this post that I'd put in the "mostly wrong" category. BG does not have "weak" coverage. It's not awesome ... we almost never have queues ... but it's not weak.

Here's the thing that most people don't understand. The TA guilds that moved to BG never fielded very big numbers. DiE probably got more players onto maps than any other guild, and that was still around 20 per night. TRF - they never made an impact, and are playing PS2. DtD - I rarely see them anymore. Gin - they're not in my timezone but they're still on BG as far as I know.

Regarding ELTE, they're still on BG, but I'm sure they're considering joining their DiE friends on SoS. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they officially transfer soon. Still ... we're talking about like 5 players per night for them lately.

My point is, the TA guilds that moved to BG are skilled players that enjoy competitive PvP, but many of them were in the process of basically quitting GW2, and the players that remained didn't bring critical mass. I'd say the former TA guild that had the biggest impact on the game post-breakup has been PRX .. by a large margin.

Edited by Global_GW2, 19 November 2012 - 11:02 PM.

[Mockingjay74]

DeagarFA, on 19 November 2012 - 10:55 PM, said:

FoE was part of Ascension Alliance. Besides Ruin they were probably the strongest force in AA.

RUIN wasn't actually a part of Ascension Alliance, was it?

[Duke Randall]

Great work by all the servers! I have loved participating in Tier 1 and have gained so much battle knowledge just from shuffle, let alone this weekend. I think everyone as a whole struggled to rally troops during the weekend event, which is understandable. We also have a holiday week coming up, and most people will be leaving for family visits. Keep up the great work otherwise; [TSym] will still be present as far as I know and I cannot wait to play in SoS BL again. As for those hammer warriors leading the SBI brigade, I really liked that front line rushing-crowd-control tactic. Being a hammer warrior Commander myself, I thoroughly applaud your use of the Warrior Hammer build(s). That is definitely a breather from all the Greatsword warriors rolling around. Thanks to all again inside the SoS Alliance, You all have been doing fantastic.

Cheers
-Duke

[Katae_FoE]

Trish, on 19 November 2012 - 10:53 PM, said:

Northern Shiverpeaks>ET>SoS Not sure if IoJ was in there before SoS

FoE started with AA on NSP and Ended with AA on ET. We moved to SoS during the match that brought them to the #10 ranked server.

[DeagarFA]

Mockingjay74, on 19 November 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:

RUIN wasn't actually a part of Ascension Alliance, was it?

Sorry, you're correct, they weren't. They did, however, roll on NSP with AA and xfer off NSP with AA. They also coordinated with AA (In so far as they hit EB hard while AA stayed away from EB).

Thus, I consider them the main fighting force of AA.

Edited by DeagarFA, 19 November 2012 - 11:06 PM.

[bieberfanxoxo]

Beastgate, on 19 November 2012 - 10:46 PM, said:

If I recall PRX was one of the biggest TA guilds (other being CND, which quit). I figured the other TA guilds would have wanted to join them after the disbanding, or did they ask the other guilds not to?

Yeah iirc when CND quit I think PRX was sitting at around 470 members, so yeah they were the largest. PRX and a few guilds were initially going to stick together but had differing thoughts on to what servers to roll so they split. Apart from maybe 2 butthurt guilds everyone in TA remained friendly towards each other.

DeagarFA, on 19 November 2012 - 10:55 PM, said:

FoE was part of Ascension Alliance.

MaLeVoLenT_1, on 19 November 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

Ok yeah that was my mix up I know they were apart of one of the top alliances.

Lolwut? The only way AA could be considered a "top alliance" was the fact there were so few alliances so they were top by default. Nothing about them in game was top.

[Nayce]

Atticus, on 19 November 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:

SOS man... I'm just stunned by the sheer amount of players you guys can field in WvW, it's far and away more than either JQ or SBI can produce and is going to take some getting used to. Hell the first time I saw a 50 man zerg from you guys going for a keep my jaw hit the floor, so while I do think SBI can win vs JQ or SOS 1v1 we have little chance until we find a way to get more players into the field, we just can't deal with 2-3 to 1 of us.

Ahh Atticus What Guild are you plying in now.

[chuckles79]

Mixology, on 19 November 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

It's funny how guilds always move to higher ranked servers and then say it has nothing to do with being on a higher ranked server (notwithstanding the TA breakup, of course).

I think bandwagoners should just own it (DiE, DA, etc.) instead of making all the excuses for it.

edit: deleted reference to dragonbrand guilds

We moved the week that CD was in the same bracket as SoS.  This ascent was unexpected by most at that time and the only WvW consideration was a server that didn't quit by Saturday night..

[DayByDay]

Had so much fun on sos bl last night. I think it may have been a group of 15-20+ wm aswell as another 10 SBI plugs hitting longview and we managed to just defend it by holding the gate. Mean no disrespect, just hope to have more fun battles like that.

[DeagarFA]

bieberfanxoxo, on 19 November 2012 - 11:07 PM, said:

Lolwut? The only way AA could be considered a "top alliance" was the fact there were so few alliances so they were top by default. Nothing about them in game was top.

Of the handful of NA alliances you have to put AA at 2nd. They brought ET to be a top 3 server and even though they never really got to the #1 spot they were a serious threat.

[Aso]

DayByDay, on 19 November 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

Had so much fun on sos bl last night. I think it may have been a group of 15-20+ wm aswell as another 10 SBI plugs hitting longview and we managed to just defend it by holding the gate. Mean no disrespect, just hope to have more fun battles like that.

That clutch [Sanctuary]?  /flex

Edited by Aso, 19 November 2012 - 11:15 PM.

[Evank1]

I'm really surprised with SoS. I believed they would end the week in third place but still have a good showing. And perhaps that would've been enough to entice some EU guilds to join them and fill in their coverage gap to help them compete the following week.

But it seems like SBI and JQ underestimated them quite a lot. Perhaps they've spent too much time in T1 as part of the old-guard and have become stagnant in their tactics instead of developing new ones. And they thought it would just be another week of the same.

But there are a lot of big, bad great white sharks swimming under the waterline in the Sea of Sorrows. And they smell blood in the water.

[Global_GW2]

chuckles79, on 19 November 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

We moved the week that CD was in the same bracket as SoS.  This ascent was unexpected by most at that time and the only WvW consideration was a server that didn't quit by Saturday night..

No offense chuckles, but you pay attention to the goings on in the WvW scene enough for me to not believe this statement. By the time you transferred, you knew PRX had transferred, and knew that TacSym and company had transferred. Strong NA WvW guilds moved to a server that already had good off-hour coverage. The writing was on the wall and you knew that. I'm not knocking your decision to transfer, but let's be fair here. It's wasn't just for the "community".

[bieberfanxoxo]

Global_GW2, on 19 November 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

TRF - they never made an impact, and are playing PS2.

The 2 weeks of boredom, being the climb through tier 2 and 3 against dead servers coupled with ps2 beta was the nail in the coffin for them. So when BG hit t1 they weren't there to make an impact.

As for ELTE and DiE. Both are top tier guilds that should be in tier 1, as do alot of ex-TA. Throughout the whole of the BG tier 1 fights those guilds were always out there, outmanned and fighting against leads they couldn't hope to come back against. They fought hard, they were unpredictable in where they'd attack or be, they're perfect competition for any offpeak populations in tier 1. It's good to see DiE on SoS and I really hope ELTE join them soon.

DeagarFA, on 19 November 2012 - 11:13 PM, said:

Of the handful of NA alliances you have to put AA at 2nd. They brought ET to be a top 3 server and even though they never really got to the #1 spot they were a serious threat.

I'm sorry but I don't consider just making tier 1 the requirement for top server/guild/alliance. AA consistently gave up against odds, quit 24hour matchups entirely and never showed the constant effort or pressence they put in when they were in tier 2. TBH I think they had the numbers and guilds to be one of the top, but the problem is, if they couldn't have first they didn't even care about second or putting up any kind of a fight, they just quit, and that's not top, that's pathetic.

[chuckles79]

Global_GW2, on 19 November 2012 - 11:16 PM, said:

No offense chuckles, but you pay attention to the goings on in the WvW scene enough for me to not believe this statement. By the time you transferred, you knew PRX had transferred, and knew that TacSym and company had transferred. Strong NA WvW guilds moved to a server that already had good off-hour coverage. The writing was on the wall and you knew that. I'm not knocking your decision to transfer, but let's be fair here. It's wasn't just for the "community".

I honestly didn't know how big PRX was, we didn't face them directly during the matchup, and TacSym actually invited us after we had some awesome fights when they were on DB.
Despite what many seem to think, most of our guild is PvE and finding a friendly community in both WvW and PvE was the upmost importance.

SoS did not have a significant NA population at that time, TSym being the only large NA guild, they definitely had gaps.  We didn't expect that they would be going to T1 and no one thought at that time that we would do well if we did.

I'm sorry if this blows holes in everyone's favorite theories about stacking; but it was thorough vetting process that did not discriminate due to rankings.

Besides, that was the week after the massive migration to BG; so if the quest for  T1 glory was our cause, we would have gone there.

[Beastgate]

If I had known PRX had 470 members I probably would have moved to SoS too. Funny how everyone was obsessing over "Stackedgate" while this was happening.

New nicknames for SoS: Sea of Stacked, Sea of Denravi, Henge of Sorrows?

[xSuicide]

Hennet, on 19 November 2012 - 08:33 PM, said:

Make new allies and friends. Bring your server up the ranks like SoS did!

lol "bring your server up the ranks like SoS did!".

not to put you down or anything, but BG inspired a lot of the guilds from DB to move to SoS during our rise from T4. You guys "followed" our rise. (in terms of chronological order). and also, to be specific, our allied guild and a few guilds from DB were close "rivals" in good terms.

I've been part of my guild alliance for over 5 years. If they go, there isn't any point for me to stay.

[Global_GW2]

bieberfanxoxo, on 19 November 2012 - 11:22 PM, said:

As for ELTE and DiE. Both are top tier guilds that should be in tier 1, as do alot of ex-TA. Throughout the whole of the BG tier 1 fights those guilds were always out there, outmanned and fighting against leads they couldn't hope to come back against. They fought hard, they were unpredictable in where they'd attack or be, they're perfect competition for any offpeak populations in tier 1. It's good to see DiE on SoS and I really hope ELTE join them soon.

For the record I wasn't knocking them. I was a bit unhappy with a particular DiE member being overly hateful on map chat towards other guilds, but that was frustration speaking and it happens sometimes. I'm bummed they transferred but it was probably for the best for everyone. Although it would be funny to see ELTE join SoS after making a video basically calling their Oceanics "unorganized and unskilled" when they were vacationing on Maguuma during one of BGs blowout matches.

[DayByDay]

Aso, on 19 November 2012 - 11:13 PM, said:

That clutch [Sanctuary]?  /flex

Yep

[PunNyJR]

it's funny those ex DB transfered like a month ago lol and someone need to dig it because they cant find any better excure of their losing

[Tarkus]

DeagarFA, on 19 November 2012 - 08:59 PM, said:

I don't know if this has been posted yet but MERC is donating $1000 to a children's charity if SoS wins this week.

http://blacklion.enjin.com/charity

As someone who is doing their best to see SoS lose I'm not sure how I feel about that...

Think of the children!

[Kleenex]

Tarkus, on 20 November 2012 - 12:28 AM, said:

Think of the children!

That why SBI is letting you win (j/K)

[Tarkus]

MaLeVoLenT_1, on 19 November 2012 - 10:46 PM, said:

Was FoE apart of TA?

No they were one of the few guilds in the Ascension alliance that was in WvW consistently through thick and thin.

Mockingjay74, on 19 November 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:

RUIN wasn't actually a part of Ascension Alliance, was it?

They weren't, and after the ascension alliance moved servers they were asked not to follow (nice to see how that turned out).

Anyway, the stalemate at bluelake last night on SoS borderlands was absolutely epic. All three sides were at it for 30 minutes in the field next to the tower, just waiting for the JQ forces to attack the SBI forces. This ladies and gentlemen is what you can expect out of tier one. Props to the guys from JQ and SBI for the great fight (damn I should have turned on Bandicam ).

Edited by Tarkus, 20 November 2012 - 12:43 AM.

[crowea]

OK just want to clarify some things. SBI and JQ have not played against SoS before so they probably haven't been following us at all.

SoS used to do really well during oceanic primetime (we were one of the two "go-to" servers for australian guilds - IoJ begin the other one). We had minimal NA/Asian/EU coverage so we used to go from +695 for a few hours down to +0 during NA primetime. We were  T4 ranked 10 for a few weeks. Our losses to FA and TC were weird as we never faced those players directly.

About five weeks back Defiance (RUN) moved to SoS, but left after about four days because they felt too lonely in the NA timeslot.

About four weeks back we had the DB guilds (TSym, Sexy etc), then PRX and RMA, and a few others, all move in the space of about a week.

The only other major guild that has come in since is DiE last week.

I really like where SoS is at the moment. It is really is the co-operation, and mutual respect between guilds, that is proving successful.

PRX is great, but I think if you think that you only need to worry about PRX then I am not sure you have been playing much against us this week?

[Earendil]

Beastgate, on 19 November 2012 - 11:28 PM, said:

If I had known PRX had 470 members I probably would have moved to SoS too. Funny how everyone was obsessing over "Stackedgate" while this was happening.

New nicknames for SoS: Sea of Stacked, Sea of Denravi, Henge of Sorrows?

Any chance you think about this  option again ? You know, it seems SoS offesr a much better environment for a hardcore PvPer like you than SBI does, really, just check the scores and the forums.

[ProfGast]

SoS: 114,988 +275
J Q:    76,718 +235
SBI:    74,146 +185

[Kleenex]

ProfGast, on 20 November 2012 - 01:14 AM, said:

SoS: 114,988 +275
J Q: 76,718 +235
SBI: 74,146 +185

SBI..... At least JQ is giving some form of resistance

[Vanu4life]

Saying a guild has 400+ members isn't the same as saying a guild has 400+ actives.  If PRX is filling up one BL that's a good indicator that they have 100 actives or less.

[Herr_Gebrechen]

Wotah, on 19 November 2012 - 08:03 PM, said:

I don't know if you're another Menaace/Walker account or not, but you really need to look at the history of Menaace and MMAC under his control.  

Also look up the history of EC, which only started after Menaace was kicked for flaming off the server.  The TW things started when Menaace felt the need to edit something as a 'Writer' for the forum.  Yes, he had mod privileges for all of a week and did most of this himself.  

Perhaps I was too harsh in saying they did nothing of note.  I meant that other guilds have done the same in the same timeframe. Menaace was great when he first came to the server he generally wanted to help and seemed to be a great addition.  Somewhere in the time he started to the few weeks prior to this he flipped his lid and went kind of crazy.  TW (now of SoR), FIRE, ESOL all have good commanders and all of which did the same as MMAC.  AoS is a great contribution to this, and we're glad they stayed on.

If you have any specific questions ask me you can PM me here, you can pm me over on jadequarry.com on Woade.

No, I'm not related to MMAC or their followers in any way. I just liked how they organised that bunch of randoms in JQ borderlands in T2 fights. We as a small pvp/wuvwuv oriented guild from germany searched for a server with a 24/7 coverage because some of have strange working times and Desolation (the server we had since the 2.bwe) was not what we had hoped for. So we searched for an us server with a great community and JQ, SBI and Maguuma where ranked top in our list in the end.
JQ community is still great and that's one reason to stay there and it doesn't matter where this may end or where JQ is going.
But I really don't think that flame wars on the community side are necessary. There are some things that won't change and that's where mods should do their work.

- there will be people who really dislike each other. That's ok, but it's not wise to choose a side as a community moderator.
- there will be a horde of winning team joiners if servers are nice/successful/large/popular - you gotta live with that
And this a good community has to face. I still don't know why some of the "original" guilds were leaving JQ just because of some different views between guilds or alliances - I stopped reading those threads because it was wasted time.

And last but not least. JQ has some awesome guilds, many of them were on JQ long before me, some came by later and some just suck, but it's easier ignoring some things then investing time in flame wars - you don't have to like anyone in a game and some people turn to idiots by gaining to much e-fame and that where a slight "I don't care, I do my stuff" helps.