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#31 Bronxbob

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 05:13 PM

View PostZheo, on 20 November 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

Funny that there is very little representation from YB on here.I digress.  Was pretty interesting last night when defending DB from the combined forces of FA and TC, with one force hitting the North side and another South.  Seeing our team chat light up with people screaming for reinforcements and Alamo forces holding out to keep the invaders busy while the main force ran to defend somewhere else.

Really makes me consider forking out the money for the Commander title.

Regardless, looking forward to bringing the fight to you all later today.

Finally a YAK on here.

Dude some comedy happened last night. Yaks was trebbing our tower from the "island ruins", and you guys totally took down the wall and were about to zerg in and take it....but didn't realize that a TC zerg was on the other side.

Boom...wall goes down, TC shows up and pushes you guys across the bridge, and realizes that there's a wall down.

FA is in the tower with like five people waiting to get rolled by SOMEONE. :)

TC rolls in and is like "OH HAI GUYZ".

They should probably send you some silver for those trebs lol.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:17 PM

Lmao. We also had  moments where commanderrs, secondary zergs, or large guilds have miscommunication. Like 2 groups of 40 sieging the same place. One side breaks down the gate / wall and other side doesn't know until the whole thing's captured.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:27 PM

View PostLouis8k8, on 20 November 2012 - 08:17 PM, said:

Lmao. We also had  moments where commanderrs, secondary zergs, or large guilds have miscommunication. Like 2 groups of 40 sieging the same place. One side breaks down the gate / wall and other side doesn't know until the whole thing's captured.

Hah us too...this also happened last night, at the same tower, but maybe 30minutes before:

The main zerg was hitting the gate, just shooting at it, no rams as a typical mindless zerg will do. But still taking the gate down slowly.

There was a catapult off to the side of one wall, with a handful of people defending it. Catapult takes down the wall, some of the people that know whats going on leave the gate and go through the wall. Maybe 10-12 of us. The rest of the zerg was outside still banging on the gate AFTER we took the tower.

It took them a minute to realize it was already over, and probably didn't get it until we started to roll out of the tower...

Comedy. :lol:

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 10:03 PM

Last night on Yak's Borderland, TC and Yaks both had their zergs at Greenvale Refuge for quite some time. We took our 15 in and had ourselves a blast. So many kills.

We would fight one zerg only to fight another and then be surround by both, pull out, kill again. So much fun. Great fights everyone.


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:05 AM

View Postquenta, on 20 November 2012 - 10:03 PM, said:

Last night on Yak's Borderland, TC and Yaks both had their zergs at Greenvale Refuge for quite some time. We took our 15 in and had ourselves a blast. So many kills.

We would fight one zerg only to fight another and then be surround by both, pull out, kill again. So much fun. Great fights everyone.



Quenta is that you playing Necro?

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:36 AM

View PostBronxbob, on 21 November 2012 - 01:05 AM, said:

Quenta is that you playing Necro?

Every video collecting loot from enemies. :)

That is me on the Necro.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:53 PM

Tons of fun last night on YBBL...huge shout out to Cloudstriker Squadron who came in and fought to take back YBBL from FA and TC. When this group left, led by a ranger named Kalen Cloudstriker, YB owned their entire board.  Pretty slick stuff. Also shout out to Samolas Stormhand who headed up the second group in keeping the invaders busy. Despite not having commander titles these two know their stuff. If you happen to see Cloudstriker in game you'd do well to follow him.

Lots of fun last night fighting at Greenvale and YBBL tearing it up and repelling the Zerg.  Props to FA for beating us back out of SM on an ill advised SM rush from YB. Oh the mayhem.

Keep it going all, its a warzone out there :)

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:30 PM

Quenta, great vid. I saw my TC dead corpse twice !!

Lincoln Scott, Phosphorus and Magnesium in game.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:01 AM

So all 3 servers are now basically locked for next week in the same matchup. This is what i feared for GW2, stagnation. There is no ultimate end goal in WvW. This is nowhere what DAOC was, this game has become a joke. I should have seen this coming.

In DAOC i played Midgard on the Lancelot server, Lancelot was always heavily Albion populated, yet the Hibs and Mids would fight fiercely and actually gang up on the albs to take relics and hurt them as much as we could. gw2 tried (and failed) like many other games to get the 3 faction warfare right.

When a game developer can create another DAOC scenario i might be interested. GW2 has lost me. Good Luck everyone!

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:17 AM

@Calendes: Um, why couldn't FA and YB focus on TC? (Or any 2nd & 3rd vs 1st?) DAoC had no more end goal than GW2 (relic control vs point matches). Plus in DAoC you were stuck fighting the same people ... forever. We're having our first rematch and you're out? /puzzled  I definitely prefer the match based system (equiivalent to a DAoC relic reset) and a chance to move up in the ranks if you improve your game.

I am looking forward to a great (friendly) rivalry between these three servers, which are pretty well matched. I know TC really enjoyed this week and are eager for more. /salute

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:16 AM

View PostCelendes, on 22 November 2012 - 08:01 AM, said:

So all 3 servers are now basically locked for next week in the same matchup. This is what i feared for GW2, stagnation. There is no ultimate end goal in WvW. This is nowhere what DAOC was, this game has become a joke. I should have seen this coming.

In DAOC i played Midgard on the Lancelot server, Lancelot was always heavily Albion populated, yet the Hibs and Mids would fight fiercely and actually gang up on the albs to take relics and hurt them as much as we could. gw2 tried (and failed) like many other games to get the 3 faction warfare right.

When a game developer can create another DAOC scenario i might be interested. GW2 has lost me. Good Luck everyone!

This is like the first week we will have a rematch? TC has climbed to tier 3 and stayed there literally forever (other than the week after the Blackgate matchup, where we played you guys in tier 4), and we've seen opponents on their way up and on their way down. Some or many of those matches have not been close. The matches with YB/CD and now FA have been the start of a series of actually close, competitive and exciting matches that weren't over by the weekend. Now that the tier is finally COMPETITIVE you complain about stagnation? The guys up there in tiers 1 and 2 have fought each other for months on end, I don't see them quitting in droves.

FA came into this tier with something to prove and brought their A-game in the weekend. TC has answered in force, and YB have shown that they can pull their own weight in the tier. The coming weeks are going to be amazing. Sounds like you are looking for something other than actual competition in WvW, and I'm sorry TC and tier 3 can't provide that for you.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:33 AM

I don't mind playing a fun, balanced match for weeks with the same servers. I don't know anyone from my enemy servers and wouldn't really bother, as long as it is red and are trying to take stuff from my homeland, I'd show up to fight. The servers and players might be almost the same, but we're all constantly evolving our strategies and learning new one's, so every day of every match is gonna be a different experience. Hopefully we all will manage to cover our respective coverage gaps this time, and have even more unpredictable fun in the next match.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 02:07 PM

View PostCelendes, on 22 November 2012 - 08:01 AM, said:

So all 3 servers are now basically locked for next week in the same matchup. This is what i feared for GW2, stagnation. There is no ultimate end goal in WvW. This is nowhere what DAOC was, this game has become a joke. I should have seen this coming.

In DAOC i played Midgard on the Lancelot server, Lancelot was always heavily Albion populated, yet the Hibs and Mids would fight fiercely and actually gang up on the albs to take relics and hurt them as much as we could. gw2 tried (and failed) like many other games to get the 3 faction warfare right.

When a game developer can create another DAOC scenario i might be interested. GW2 has lost me. Good Luck everyone!

Dude we went from like Tier 6 to Tier 3 in like 6 weeks. Give it a chance lol.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 02:34 PM

The fact that YBBL can be retaken and wholly controlled when YB forms up and takes the fight to the invaders and gets rewarded with ultimate control of their Borderlands, then warp to EBL to be locked in a fierce battle over control where, literally, each server is trading control points and keeping the battle quite even does NOT equate to stagnation, but an evenly matched fight.

If you think stagnation equals balance, then perhaps you are indeed in the wrong place, because you don't understand what you're talking about.  How does the same match-ups for a period of a few weeks equal stagnation? Over the course of time, the different servers will move up and down. Relax. Only when the entire rankings is a yellow arrow for no movement can you say that things are stagnant. Just because your tier in one week shows no movement doesnt mean the whole of WvW is broken.

Edit: Further, how much would you be complaining if the ladder was random and you were getting rolled by a tier 1 server? Consider all aspects before you complain.

Edited by Zheo, 22 November 2012 - 04:22 PM.


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Posted 22 November 2012 - 05:43 PM

Start of the week when FA was leading he was all this is fun! Great fight! Now GW2 is a joke and there's no incentive.I think he's sad his server can't roll like they used to in the lower tiers or something. "Oh, actual competition! What a stagnant matchup!"

Edited by Omnirai, 22 November 2012 - 06:02 PM.


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Posted 22 November 2012 - 05:59 PM

Tarnished Coast is full of RP'ers, casuals and PvE'ers that all make up the WvW population. Events affect this server more than any others in NA. Rarely anyone shows up in WvW (enough to occupy 3~4 borders) during events like Lost Shores or Halloween. There's still quite a bit of us who haven't returned to regular WvW yet because we're all too busy farming Fractals of the Mist dungeon.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 07:13 PM

View PostOmnirai, on 22 November 2012 - 05:43 PM, said:

Start of the week when FA was leading he was all this is fun! Great fight! Now GW2 is a joke and there's no incentive.I think he's sad his server can't roll like they used to in the lower tiers or something. "Oh, actual competition! What a stagnant matchup!"

Well said, sir. +1 internetz.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:16 PM

A bit of advice to Fort Aspenwood.  You pushed us hard this week and gave us a lot of very scary moments, especially during the period when you had the numerical advantage (around 2pm GMT, give or take a couple of hours.)  What you weren't as good at was defending.  Your 50 man zerg would roll through with its 3 Omega golems and quite often take everything (took us until after the event before we could start coordinating the numbers to stop it) but after that your people would seem to just vanish (onto the next target, we think).  That meant that half an hour later we could often retake everything with a much smaller force than you took it with.

I think a lot of the disparity comes from the different journeys the servers have had over the last few weeks.  You've been in lower tiers, where steamrolling targets works quite effectively.  We've been fighting on the defensive against numerially superior forces like Blackgate or SoR and are, I think, quite a defensive server because of those experiences.  If you could motivate your zerg to stick around and defend instead of overextending you'd have pushed us even closer than you did.

Anyway, don't blame Yak's for not pushing us - they did try, but you were hitting them like crazy (looking at the map and the reports I got from my scouts) while every time they attacked us we gave them a bloody nose (not saying they didn't ever take anything from us, but during my time slot they rarely succeeded in taking things in 'my' territory.  I'm sorry if you didn't find this week fun, but from what I saw I'd say most of FA's issues come down to a mixture of relatively poor coverage outside of your oceanic zerg and then poor strategic decisions.  I'm really looking forward to next week, and trying desperately to come up with new tactics/options for blunting the might of your oceanic zerg as the fact that I only held our Garrison and Lowlands on half the days I was responsible for defending them has me rather annoyed (in a good way, challenges are fun!)

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 04:30 AM

I have thoroughly enjoyed this week of an even battle. FA hits hard and fast but as Aetou pointed out, our much smaller Zergs usually were able to retake any EB area we lost and then take a few Yak and FA camps. The TC defense of SM last night was epic with the Yaks in the outer wall at the north and FA in the outer gate on the east. At one point, both Zergs were in the inner wall and at the throne room when the TC diehards held fast. I was proud of our Pug Militia as we steered FA and the Yaks into each other and mopped up the pieces.

It seems like EB boils down to each server holding, more or less, there third with the eventual winner keeping SM in the fold. The bordering towers are no man's lands with Durios and Anz changing hands every 1/2 an hour or so. Those darn trebs on the Yak keep can just keep pounding the NW corner of SM so a threat always exists.

Funny but i have been on GW2 since pre-opening busy leveling up in PVE and i only started into WvW as a diversion becuase i had 3 80's and was bored a couple of weeks ago. Now it becomes my primary activity in game and i am having a blast. TC has really become a home with familiar faces and friendliness in game. I am most impressed with the Militia's willingness to step up. I have never seen an upgrade go unpurchased almost immediately when available and siege is tossed out aplenty whether in an attack when it is doomed after the capture or in defense of SM or our Third. I was actually disappointed that someone beat me to the punch in purchasing reinforced walls at SM when we retook it Tuesday evening. I have also been impressed with our commanders quick strategic thinking moving our far smaller zerg to targets of opportunity and defense of our territory.

So two and half weeks into WvW and 1,123 WvW kills later, I am hooked. I like that TC is the underdog (if you dont agree just look at the numbers when we skirmish) but if we are a dog, its a pittbull. We just dont quit, from rezzing and running back from a waypoint to continue the fight, to moving in strength to revive a downed commrade, to running supplies from safe zones to SM and defending our caravans and manning our siege.  You would think we were a large unofficlal guild.

Hmmmm, perhaps TC would profit from a dedicated WvW guild simply called Tarnished Coast Nation. I wouldn't mind that affiliation !!!  A server wide guild in the WvW arena. Think of all the improved siege weapons to play with :).  We don't have any of the uber-WvW/PvP guilds of tier one, and maybe that is good. We are small guilds and independents, we are role players and casual players, we are stubborn and tenacious, we are the pittbull......... We are Tarnished Coast.

So conitnue the good fight night after night my brothers and sisters of Tarnished Coast.

Edited by surfboar, 23 November 2012 - 05:04 AM.


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Posted 23 November 2012 - 04:49 AM

View Postsurfboar, on 23 November 2012 - 04:30 AM, said:

We don't have any of the uber-WvW/PvP guilds of tier one, and maybe that is good. We are small guilds and independents, we are role players and casual players, we are stubborn and tenacious...

This is exactly why we I feel we're great as a community, I'm not bashing or pointing at any servers, but I feel, with the way we are currently, without being over the top hardcore players, we're able to take victories and defeats alike and keep pushing and enjoy getting pushed as well, lol. From what I find from most of our TC playerbase, we're content with our current ranking and don't see ourselves pushing into Tier 2 intentionally. If it happens organically with our existing players and a few new guilds to fill the coverage gaps I don't mind it happening. Climbing up the ladder at the cost of a broken community is definitely not what I would want.

And yeah, looking forward to the next matchup. I guess we can do this forever :)... love the kind of balance this tier has, and the overall fun it brings to the table with such little differences in scores. I missed some crazy epic fights this week in other BL's from what I read on forums, since i stick to TCBL most of the times, but I'll make sure to show up in the next match and this time there's no weekend event (thankfully). Just hope for more guys from YB to show up, atleast at the times I have played I haven't seen quite as many as FA maybe i missed their zerg when I wasn't in-game haha. Lots of respect to both the servers.

/salute - is all I could say!

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 09:36 PM

View PostOmnirai, on 22 November 2012 - 05:43 PM, said:

Start of the week when FA was leading he was all this is fun! Great fight! Now GW2 is a joke and there's no incentive.I think he's sad his server can't roll like they used to in the lower tiers or something. "Oh, actual competition! What a stagnant matchup!"

Don't assume you know anything about me or what i am trying to say. I have had more fun in this game when we were getting rolled fully, because we knew the under dog. As this matchup stands now, barring any transfers in or out for these servers its going to stay exactly the same. How is that fun? I would rather eliminate tiers completely and have it be a random lottery on who you play compared to being stuck in the same grind weekly.

Also as i said as well, without the Orbs to go for there is no goal of WvW, Orbs lead to double teams, random attacks, strategies to hit quick and take them.

And finally as for me saying great fights when we were ahead? I didn't even see any TC's posting when they were down either, so don't give me that crap.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 12:53 AM

I suggest you look back up through the thread... I called exactly this outcome in post #4, the very first post in this thread that has any real content.  Sorry, we've been here and talking the whole time and things played out almost exactly according to our plans and expectations (although you guys definitely did a bit better than my expectations: I was thinking we'd end up winning by about 20% while the actual figure was in the 10-15% band.)

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 02:18 AM

What happens with Yaks bend? they want to be second this time?

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 08:09 AM

View PostAetou, on 24 November 2012 - 12:53 AM, said:

I suggest you look back up through the thread... I called exactly this outcome in post #4, the very first post in this thread that has any real content.  Sorry, we've been here and talking the whole time and things played out almost exactly according to our plans and expectations (although you guys definitely did a bit better than my expectations: I was thinking we'd end up winning by about 20% while the actual figure was in the 10-15% band.)

So congrats? You now get a weekly win unless this tier changes. Where is the motivation to play for people on the other 2 servers? I can go play dota 2 or LoL and know i have a shot at winning here and there. Stagnation and no sort of goal is whats killing WvW in this game.

GW2 could have been a great game if properly designed, but ANet has already instituted a gear grind in PvE coupled with no rewards for WvW. This game is a failure in regards to world/mass pvp, i was hoping it wouldn't be, but it is. Guess i will go back to my DAOC private server and have fun again.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 12:52 PM

So basically everyone is right lol. FA didn't win so it's suddenly not fun for you. The rest of your server is fighting, it has been every bit as fierce as last week out there on the battlegrounds. Yaks came in third last week and yet came out of the gates swinging this time round, as they do week after week. Look at the other tiers - many servers have not been able to win their respective brackets for a long time. But here's the problem - they play for competition. Not for easy wins. There are stronger servers and there are weaker servers. By your logic everyone who can't be on top should just stop playing.

Tier 3 was the CLOSEST tier last week, has been the CLOSEST tier for at least 2 weeks running and looks to be the closest match again this week. Even right now the "other 2 servers" seem to be doing fine on the "motivation" front. Tier 3 right now is almost the ESSENCE of competition. You talk a lot of crap, but everyone can easily that it boils down to "I can't win", as we can see with the "can go play dota2" comment. Not to mention you are already giving up on your server by essentially declaring that FA can't win. I feel bad for the dedicated people on your server who are fighting instead of bitching.

I'm guessing your server won't miss you.

Edited by Omnirai, 24 November 2012 - 12:54 PM.


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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:26 AM

ULTD would like to thank everyone for the fights over this long Thanksgiving weekend. I know those few of us on had a blast fighting it out. See you during the week day! And good luck everyone.



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Posted 26 November 2012 - 06:28 AM

ULTD was tearing it up. /salute

By the end of the weekend we were getting better at surviving and stopping the Unlimited portal bomb, but it was a painful lesson.

Another fun filled weekend. Yaks were really defending their BL with vigor at the end of Sunday night. Well done, it could have gone either way, but Coast really wanted to fight into the night.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:46 AM

I like how we did not even need a new thread.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:24 PM

ISA has been having a blast against Yaks.  I must say the fighting has been awesome.  I for one am liking how the servers balanced out.  I know servers on DAOC would have killed for this close of a match up.  That being said I still am not a fan of the zerg warfare meta game.  If the distancing was larger between objectives we could really start expanding the population throughout the zone instead of into a ball.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:09 PM

While I'm not agreeing with Celendes, I can understand their point. TC is regularly in control and the top in our tier over the course of the week, with the real fight being for second. If this trend continues then it really will become a fight of beating our heads against a wall unless we get server transfers one way or another. No flames! I'm simply pointing out if the trend continues for, say, a month solid, then I'm sure players will get frustrated with the same match up and similar results.

In no way am I saying the game sucks or is stagnant, just saying perhaps there is a way we can account for greater variety?




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