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[Bottoms_Up]

Jason Seven, on 21 November 2012 - 03:30 AM, said:

...Take off the tin foil hats and accept things the way they are.

I think people are just having some fun with this. That said, I think your understanding of developer-distributor and artist/designer-executive relationships in the entertainment industry is kind of naive.

[ScoutMATH]

Jason Seven, on 21 November 2012 - 03:30 AM, said:

You should stop reading so much into this. People spouting crazy nonsense are commonly accepted as nutcases. You're not a nutcase, are you? You all make the mistake to blame NCsoft and/or Nexon for everything considered bad that makes it into Guild Wars 2. Yet, if something good were to happen you'd praise ArenaNet, instantly abandoning the thought of them still being forced into doing this. It's the same case with WoW players, they always blame everything bad on Activision and everything good gets a "Blizzard is awesome!" stamp on it. They are one and the same company. This is exactly what ArenaNet wants you to think. NCsoft and Nexon don't care about their reputation while ArenaNet does. It's only natural for them to instil their players with these kind of thoughts. Take off the tin foil hats and accept things the way they are.

See it happens to WoW too so this theory is not crazy nonsense.

And Crazy non-sense? I didn't accuse NCSoft/Nexon as reptilians nor aliens nor 33rd degree masons. Nothing like that. LOL.

Check

http://en.wikipedia....liminal_stimuli
http://en.wikipedia....i/Steganography

The theory are based on the available info. what i did is just connect the dots and speculate. I'm not insisting that it is fact. It's for you to decide.

Edited by ScoutMATH, 21 November 2012 - 01:07 PM.

[Naginto]

shanaeri rynale, on 20 November 2012 - 02:54 PM, said:

I'll just add an addendum. I also think that if this was imposed on them from on high (NCSoft/Nexon)  there would be a few who would resign in protest and out of professional and personal integrity. We'll just have to see how things shake out structually at Anet. Not that we can do much but watch anyway

Not in this economy they wont.

[Gruunz]

Zippor, on 21 November 2012 - 12:21 AM, said:

Hopefully Nexon won't read this, otherwise you have spelled trouble for Arenanet.

Next thing we know, we'll have a new dynamic event where slaves are being tortured by a new monster called Noxon forced to do labour. The slaves will turn against you but they will also apologize to you before attacking you "We're sorry, we didn't want to, we have no choice!"

[raspberry jam]

Gruunz, on 21 November 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:

Next thing we know, we'll have a new dynamic event where slaves are being tortured by a new monster called Noxon forced to do labour. The slaves will turn against you but they will also apologize to you before attacking you "We're sorry, we didn't want to, we have no choice!"

The follow-up event involves an instanced mission where you investigate corrupt jewel traders.

[ScoutMATH]

my engineer was in lion's arch and i heard an NPC dialogue

"So many people.."
"So many money to make..."


WTF?!?!??!

Edited by ScoutMATH, 21 November 2012 - 03:05 PM.

[Magi]

modricibale2, on 20 November 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

Also the acronym for the new dungeon is Flavor of the Month (FotM).

I personally think we should move to call it CITIZENS in remembrance of our our beloved, pre-muzzled Blingg.

[Balan Makki]

I've been playing the official forums last few days and have notice that many, I mean quite a few, players are posting well thought-out, civil comments on the rise of the Nexon specter and the conspiratorial 'Cry for Help' by Arena Net

https://forum-en.gui...-for-Help/first

now whenever someone brings up their own discoveries, even sans the nexon spectre, the post is KoS, deleted without explanation. Seems an internal memo went out. Try it yourself, post on the topic.

Seems things may be internally heating up at ArenaNet,

As someone else asks, what is more probable: nexon theory and the 'lost shore' parallel, or ArenaNet doing a 180 on design manifesto so suddenly. Coupled with the official forums being on serious damage control lock-down, the answer seems obvious.

Edited by Balan Makki, 21 November 2012 - 03:28 PM.

[Zippor]

"Take your tinfoil hats off, everybody. There’s nothing sneaky or subversive going on."

Yeah... riiiight.

[Resolve]

Trei, on 21 November 2012 - 02:44 AM, said:

But what if this is actually anet's attempt to frame nexonsoft?

My god...It's so obvious now.

[MandraxUK]

ScoutMATH, on 21 November 2012 - 01:06 PM, said:

See it happens to WoW too so this theory is not crazy nonsense.

And Crazy non-sense? I didn't accuse NCSoft/Nexon as reptilians nor aliens nor 33rd degree masons. Nothing like that. LOL.

Check

http://en.wikipedia....liminal_stimuli
http://en.wikipedia....i/Steganography

The theory are based on the available info. what i did is just connect the dots and speculate. I'm not insisting that it is fact. It's for you to decide.

The reason this happens is because when people feel betrayed by those they love, they look for scapegoats.  Think of the wife who's husband has been having an affair.  When she finds out she often blames the lover more than the husband.

People are so happy to blame Nexon because they don't want to believe that they got shafted by Arenanet, a company they have known and loved for a number of years.  It's the same with Activision and Blizzard, it's the same with EA and BioWare, it was the same with EA and Mythic when Warhammer was released.

[Helistin]

Balan Makki, on 21 November 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

I've been playing the official forums last few days and have notice that many, I mean quite a few, players are posting well thought-out, civil comments on the rise of the Nexon specter and the conspiratorial 'Cry for Help' by Arena Net

https://forum-en.gui...-for-Help/first

now whenever someone brings up their own discoveries, even sans the nexon spectre, the post is KoS, deleted without explanation. Seems an internal memo went out. Try it yourself, post on the topic.

Seems things may be internally heating up at ArenaNet,

As someone else asks, what is more probable: nexon theory and the 'lost shore' parallel, or ArenaNet doing a 180 on design manifesto so suddenly. Coupled with the official forums being on serious damage control lock-down, the answer seems obvious.

Sorry, don't want to comment the Nexon theory on the official forums anymore. I'll just get infracted again.

[MazingerZ]

The moderation is getting a little petty.

https://forum-en.gui...n-s-Arch/824527

In case it disappears:

Quote

If you assume the entire server population is those 15 players, and don’t count the ones who log in, stare at that depressing spectacle for 5 minutes, and then just close the game and go do something more productive with their lives.
You probably also think that WoW’s player base was exclusively composed of people who treated others like disposable “assistants” even before the Dungeon Finder was introduced.

It wasn’t. But, nowadays, it pretty much is. As I wrote above, make a product jerk-friendly and soon your entire user base will be jerks. Game design shapes its community, because it determines who stays and who leaves.

The EDIT and addicted number-grinders will put up with the spam – or indeed with anything else you put between them and the next number. And I can even understand tailoring WoW to them (after all, they’re paying a monthly subscription). But that is not the demographic that buys stuff from the cash shop, and it’s not the demographic that recruits new players into the game.

Edit by Moderator: Removed questionable term

Edit by poster: How is a term used in psychology, with a pretty well-defined meaning, “questionable”…? Definition: “A neural pattern characterized by impaired social interaction and communication, and by restricted and repetitive behavior”.

The word was "autistic" according to plugging the definition into Google.

[Runkleford]

dd790, on 20 November 2012 - 03:59 PM, said:

Love you Americans with your crazy theories, it's so cute!

Raspberry isn't American. She'd be quite upset that you said so. But yeah, not sure I buy into any of this. And no matter who's at fault here the game still suffers.

[MazingerZ]

At the risk of driving this into a discussion on business vs. ethics, the reason people are tying this to Nexon/NCSoft is largely due to the sudden shift in philosophy governing the game implementation.  Very few things force a change in values, and keeping your job is one of them, especially with the rationalization that even if you resist, the only difference is you being unemployed and the changes going through anyway.

Furthermore, this that investors and part-owners who buy themselves a stake rarely... rarely... give a crap on how their return is earned, so long as it is earned.  And if their business strategies, as poor as they are for customers, actually yield results in the short time they are invested, then who cares about how the long term affects on the business or the customers.

The point is, if this is what is happening, if Nexon's pushing this... that is a pattern for the future.  If they get results, the lizard-brain is going to think "this is how we make money" and will keep trying it.  Which is why its important to invalidate this process of making money before it does, even if you are a "wait and see."  You can't wait and see.  You need to fight it if you are opposed to it and not give them a pass because of the blunder.

Edited by MazingerZ, 21 November 2012 - 06:43 PM.

[davadude]

Alleji, on 20 November 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

We have to go deeper.

We have to go deeper into the cox?

Yeah, I already regret saying it.

[caballo_oscuro]

Jason Seven, on 21 November 2012 - 03:30 AM, said:

You should stop reading so much into this. People spouting crazy nonsense are commonly accepted as nutcases. You're not a nutcase, are you? You all make the mistake to blame NCsoft and/or Nexon for everything considered bad that makes it into Guild Wars 2. Yet, if something good were to happen you'd praise ArenaNet, instantly abandoning the thought of them still being forced into doing this. It's the same case with WoW players, they always blame everything bad on Activision and everything good gets a "Blizzard is awesome!" stamp on it. They are one and the same company. This is exactly what ArenaNet wants you to think. NCsoft and Nexon don't care about their reputation while ArenaNet does. It's only natural for them to instil their players with these kind of thoughts. Take off the tin foil hats and accept things the way they are.

Not reading into things allowed Nazi Germany to take hold, killing millions of Jews. Not reading into it allowed priests to systematically r.a.p.e thousands of Irish children and sell hundreds of thousands of Spanish children for huge sums of money. Not reading into it allowed the banks to bankrupt the economies of first world countries and force the tax payer to bail them out so when u tell people to stop reading into things u promote complacency and allow people to be ripped off. They may not have the whole story but you can be sure there's some truth to it.

Edited by caballo_oscuro, 24 November 2012 - 10:58 AM.

[Jason Seven]

caballo_oscuro, on 24 November 2012 - 10:57 AM, said:

snip

I'll put it this way: Some things are meant to happen in order to shape and refine humankind as a whole.
Take this however you want.

[caballo_oscuro]

Jason Seven, on 24 November 2012 - 11:51 AM, said:

I'll put it this way: Some things are meant to happen in order to shape and refine humankind as a whole.
Take this however you want.

I remember a time when trolls made an effort.

[Jason Seven]

caballo_oscuro, on 24 November 2012 - 11:56 AM, said:

I remember a time when trolls made an effort.

I am severely disappointed if you think I'm trolling. Not that I have any need to justify myself but everything I post is exactly how I see it. Just because you or someone else disagrees with my views doesn't make me a troll, you should always keep that in mind before judging someone.

[caballo_oscuro]

Jason Seven, on 24 November 2012 - 12:01 PM, said:

I am severely disappointed if you think I'm trolling. Not that I have any need to justify myself but everything I post is exactly how I see it. Just because you or someone else disagrees with my views doesn't make me a troll, you should always keep that in mind before judging someone.

Ok well if you're not trolling then you just have a very narrow view of things. My tinfoil hat is off but my eyes are open and im inquisitive.

In your previous post you told people to take off their tinfoil hats and accept things as they are. I don't agree people should ignore their paranoia or the sense that something isn't right or that they should accept the status quo and that they're powerless.

So call things as you see them and refuse to accept when you're being conned at every turn. Just hand over your money, your personal info and your property cos we both know you'd be happier without it. Oh and go do my homework.

[Jason Seven]

caballo_oscuro, on 24 November 2012 - 12:11 PM, said:

snip

But that's exactly how it is. They are powerless. They can't change things and all people do is post their suspicions on forums and alike. You all talk about letting "them" know that what they do is wrong, yet what do you expect to happen? Let's say it is true and Nexon/NCsoft have completely taken over ArenaNet and are now running the business behind the scenes. Both of them don't care one single bit about an angered playerbase if catering to a different audience means more money. ArenaNet can't intervene as they are now completely subject to Nexon/NCsoft. On the other hand, if they really think that adding something like FotM and slowly introducing a new tier of equipment is the way to win players like myself over, then they're mistaken beyond believe.

[caballo_oscuro]

Jason Seven, on 24 November 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

But that's exactly how it is. They are powerless. They can't change things and all people do is post their suspicions on forums and alike. You all talk about letting "them" know that what they do is wrong, yet what do you expect to happen? Let's say it is true and Nexon/NCsoft have completely taken over ArenaNet and are now running the business behind the scenes. Both of them don't care one single bit about an angered playerbase if catering to a different audience means more money. ArenaNet can't intervene as they are now completely subject to Nexon/NCsoft. On the other hand, if they really think that adding something like FotM and slowly introducing a new tier of equipment is the way to win players like myself over, then they're mistaken beyond believe.

Oh i know ncsoft and nexon just want their money. For me i paid for a game and im going to enjoy all it has to offer while there are things i like. ill encourage people to enjoy all the hours they want in the game, fill the servers to capacity and use all the bandwidth Anet has and don't buy another thing from them until the players have the game they want.

We don't know all the politics involved but it is the case that whoever is pulling the strings wants no dissent, hence the forum shutdowns and bans for fair criticism. censorship is a despicable act as is intimidation from a pr person such as the community manager. how dare they treat their source of revenue in this manner.

They are free to take their game in any direction they like but they have to follow the money and if we don't spend it on their poison then they'll either have to change, shrink or shutdown.

The power is in the hands of the players. Simple as that.

[blindude]

well even if this is a forced move upon them you have to blame yourselves ONLY.Nexon is a company and wants to maximise the profit.They are not stupid to make choices that will end up the game dead.Apparently the grinders that want to pwn lesser human beings with a life due to stat advantage WAS NOT a minority like many of you keep saying and saying.Its sad really..
Well spvp is unaffected so i have no reason to quit.

Edited by blindude, 24 November 2012 - 01:20 PM.

[Jason Seven]

caballo_oscuro, on 24 November 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:

snip

Who do you think spends money right now? The ones who are against this kind of design or the ones who welcome it? You'd be surprised how many players dish out cash to complete dungeons more quickly or be more effective in combat. Boosters, revive orbs, instant merchants, repair kits. That stuff is bought to achieve maximum efficiency by players who want rewards the quickest and easiest way possible.

[DOSGAMES]

You have only scratched the surface my friend. Keep digging. Discoveries will follow. RNG and Gem store lines the pockets of the Bilderburg group and the Trilateral Commission. Ancient Aliens forsaw the coming treadtrill. Beyond that... The Matrix.

[ShadowStalker]

Ghostwing, on 20 November 2012 - 04:41 AM, said:

The lion statue says (and had said before the Mad King event) "from ruin we prosper." It was changed in Halloween to something else, and now they changed it back.

i cant remember what it said before, but i read it during the Halloween event where it said
Ascend into madness

and it's now saying
From Ruin we Propser

it's pretty much just giving clues about future updates i guess.

[caballo_oscuro]

Jason Seven, on 24 November 2012 - 01:32 PM, said:

Who do you think spends money right now? The ones who are against this kind of design or the ones who welcome it? You'd be surprised how many players dish out cash to complete dungeons more quickly or be more effective in combat. Boosters, revive orbs, instant merchants, repair kits. That stuff is bought to achieve maximum efficiency by players who want rewards the quickest and easiest way possible.

exactly why the rush to 80 was so quick, why there was a cry for new content and why the new tier. players will burn through and burn out if they stay.

This game doesn't have the longevity of the old game. And those that are staying will not stay long. Maybe its clever for nexon/ncsoft to just drain it dry as quick as possible. the game is nothing more than a money grab and the people behind it know this.

[davadude]

caballo_oscuro, on 24 November 2012 - 02:14 PM, said:

the game is nothing more than a money grab and the people behind it know this.

Yep, that's why it took 6 years of development with 3 delays before the game was done.  Quick money grab indeed!

[Nox_Aeterna]

Honestly speaking i dont think they wished to be so. But i dont think they can stand the pressure from above.

Fact is , this game is changing fast and i wonder when it stops if we would even be able to call it GW.

Well , worst come to worst. 400 hours spent and 100$ (personally im not giving on cent plus) , so hey , not a bad cost for the time provided.