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#31 Lucas Ashrock

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:41 PM

View Postmazut, on 21 November 2012 - 01:18 PM, said:

And the Arah gate event, which is finaly working on my world. Now people are repeating it without finishing, just to farm. Now I'm being griffed in a different way. I can not enter Arah, this time not because its bugged, but because people are not letting me... Ins't that wonderful.
REMOVE THE DAMN GATES FROM THE DUNGEON ENTRANCE!!!
Thinks, they will claim themself pro wearing an exploited arah armor with any idea of what path 1-2-4 are or what was lupicus at all ^_^

What you mean not letting me? :surprised:

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:05 PM

View PostImaginos, on 21 November 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

People farm tokens because anet decided to add artificial time gates to acquiring dungeon armor instead of the promised 1 armor piece per run. If anet adds a farm to gate people from rewards then people will farm it in the most efficient way possible.

People will farm everything in the most efficient way possible since even requiring more than one run to earn all gear is a "gate". It currently takes a little under 2 runs per piece of gear, that's not some vastly incomprehensible amount and if you think that people wouldn't find ways to cheese even 1 run per piece of gear, you're sadly mistaken.

Until Arena gives you everything from the first completion, there will always be a matter of efficiency.

#33 Daemonweaver

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:41 PM

Personally I am against Token farming. However Arah has been bugged for so long on my server its just not funny anymore.
Finally now we can get back in but as usual we get stuck on the temple guardian, due to his stupid habit of re setting even though he is being attacked. Most annoying thing about this is that it is due to a fix by Anet to stop people kitting him out of the room to a waypoint, so once again the cheaters and exploiters have stuffed it up for all.
I did a token run on Arah 1 time before it originally got nerfed and only reason I went was cos I didnt knowm it was a token run (I left party immediately they finished the 1st run).
Anyway to cut a long story short after last nights Arah run and the temple guard resetting on us 3 times (despite being in combat and having conditions still clearly ticking away on him) I am really tempted to start token farming it to at least start getting the 500 tokens I need for my Legendary before the dungeon bugs again and we cannot enter it at all.

#34 Lucas Ashrock

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:47 PM

Fix would be easy. Remove the bag from arah loottable, available just on from lupicus going to the end
Easy fix isn't it? Will be implemented? Erm.. :zzz:

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 21 November 2012 - 02:48 PM.


#35 The_Tree_Branch

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:00 PM

View PostLucas Ashrock, on 21 November 2012 - 02:47 PM, said:

Fix would be easy. Remove the bag from arah loottable, available just on from lupicus going to the end
Easy fix isn't it? Will be implemented? Erm.. :zzz:

The whole point of adding Wondrous Loot gags to bosses was so people had some feeling of progression even if they can't complete a dungeon. Adding bag to Lupicus and beyond defeats the purpose. I like WvW. The people I play with don't like dungeons. I'm not a fan of getting a pug group that fails on Lupicus. I like this armor set. This gives me a way to get it.

If you want to show your "Elite" dungeon skills, go get the Dungeon Master title.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:18 PM

View PostThe_Tree_Branch, on 21 November 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

The whole point of adding Wondrous Loot gags to bosses was so people had some feeling of progression even if they can't complete a dungeon. Adding bag to Lupicus and beyond defeats the purpose. I like WvW. The people I play with don't like dungeons. I'm not a fan of getting a pug group that fails on Lupicus. I like this armor set. This gives me a way to get it.

If you want to show your "Elite" dungeon skills, go get the Dungeon Master title.

B-b-b-b..but he's so hardcore. If certain people want to get the Arah armor just because they like the skin (sounds crazy, right?) and they have a chance to do it without grinding their ass off, it's ruining his gaming experience. We wouldn't want his experience to be ruined, would we?

Seriously, Lucas, you're laughable. If you can only get a sense of pride from being the only one to wear a certain set of pixels, then you might want to rethink your life. Honestly, in what way does it bother you if other people enjoy the look of a certain armor, for whose creation, by the way, they paid?

Edited by Draugadan, 21 November 2012 - 03:18 PM.


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:52 PM

View PostLucas Ashrock, on 21 November 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

Thinks, they will claim themself pro wearing an exploited arah armor with any idea of what path 1-2-4 are or what was lupicus at all ^_^

What you mean not letting me? :surprised:

This is group event and I cant solo or even do it with party. When most players are there to farm they dont work to complete the event. They want it to fail and repeat it. :/

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 08:27 PM

View PostLucas Ashrock, on 21 November 2012 - 09:16 AM, said:

Arah is still the hardest dungeon, wear arah fullset like mine is meant to be for a worthy player who mastered the content, knowing every single bit of that place. At least the last thing to be proud as a good gamer. Looking a DEzerg tokenfarmer playing like a noob, wearing a fullset, is just pathetic and devalue the meaning of all my weeks wasted playing arah without exploits/cheats. I mean, my last pug i had a thief with fullset arah armor, we was doing a run, i asked him to use refuge. Maybe you don't believe me, i had to explain him what refuge was and how to use it.. ffs.. :zzz:
No more or less than cof armors, are they pro? Nah, every new dinged 80 has one in a week. Noone care of them anymore.
At least, until now, the last thing not cheated is dungeon master, still proud to leave that title under my name, till last :zzz:

How do farmers wearing arah armor devalue yours? Are you wearing the armor to impress others, or are you wearing it to remind yourself of your accomplishments? If the former, then honestly, you're in the wrong game. If it's the latter, don't let other peoples' habits affect how you feel about your own efforts.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 10:38 PM

I'm more concern over being banned for this than what some schmuck thinks of the armor I wear. I want Orrian armor because I genuinly like the model and have been fretting over the multitude of bugs and inconviniences that settled in my way of getting it.

Got the chest already, and 20g on top of it after 4 hours of excruciating farming. Wish me luck, or curse me for "defying conventions" set in place by Aney. Ha! What a joke.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:42 AM

Yeah, the Arah set is nice, so what? Players farmed tokens before, they're farming tokens now and there are players that did it "legit". As long as you know what you did to get your set, you shouldn't be concerned with anything or anyone else.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 01:12 AM

View PostAKGeo, on 21 November 2012 - 08:27 PM, said:

How do farmers wearing arah armor devalue yours? Are you wearing the armor to impress others, or are you wearing it to remind yourself of your accomplishments? If the former, then honestly, you're in the wrong game. If it's the latter, don't let other peoples' habits affect how you feel about your own efforts.

No man, it's like T3 Culture Armor.
you're not supposed to open your wallet, buy gems, and sell it off to buy it.
You're supposed to be hardworking about it, farm it. Every single copper of it.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 01:59 AM

View PostSeki, on 22 November 2012 - 12:42 AM, said:

Yeah, the Arah set is nice, so what? Players farmed tokens before, they're farming tokens now and there are players that did it "legit". As long as you know what you did to get your set, you shouldn't be concerned with anything or anyone else.

Seki, it's alright man.
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#43 Darthdevil

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 05:28 AM

SO this gives around ~7k karma (with all bootsers) in 30 min ? Well , now i know where i am supposed to farm my 250k karma ...

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 06:21 AM

Don't think my guildies want to do this :( if anyone can add me and do some runs I'd really appreciate it. Username is same as account name.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 02:17 PM

View Postfarkov47, on 22 November 2012 - 01:12 AM, said:

No man, it's like T3 Culture Armor.
you're not supposed to open your wallet, buy gems, and sell it off to buy it.
You're supposed to be hardworking about it, farm it. Every single copper of it.

I can't tell if this is Poe's law in action or not...

I'm pretty sure ANet/NCSoft would wet themselves with glee if you paid them actual money for enough gold for T3...

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 02:25 PM

Need more ppl to cap Arah on whiteside Ridge!11!!1!

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 05:37 PM

View PostLuke86, on 20 November 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

I'm opening this thread to discuss the effect of the november the 15th dungeon update (http://wiki.guildwar...ki/Game_updates).
I actually love the update in itself as it made many dungeons look much more appealing and enjoyable to me.
What I actually find insane here is his effect on the Arah dungeon.
I'm sure we all remember the old Arah farm where a party used to kill the 1st two bosses in Forgotten path in 4-5 mins to get dungeon tokens.
After that update, the two bosses now drop 10 silver coins each (14 with an omnomberry bar) and one Bags of Wondrous Goods each, which contains 3 dungeon tokens, a Drop of Liquid Karma (400 karma with no karma booster) and a Bag of Gold (2-3.5 silver coins).
This means that in 30 mins a party can do 7 runs, gaining 28x7 + 6x7= 2.38 gold coins, 5.6k karma (again, without considering any booster) and 42 tokens. This not including the chest the bosses spawn when killed, and the chance they have to drop a rare accessory with an exquisite jewel in it which is worth 40-50 silver coins in the tp.
The old farm was nerfed because Aned didnt like the way people were farming this dungeon, what about this?
I'm not saying this hoping they remove the update, but they should think about stopping this farm, for example removing the loot from those too bosses and adding it to the final chest.
Thoughts?

I am sorry, but that's just not correct. I'll claim that nobody can do former 8 Runs in 4 Minutes and then some - as you claimed for your maths. Without jumping the wall - you're probably looking at ~8-10 Minutes, and that's only if the mobs past Boss #1 all leash back to their spawn...

I don't think it'll be the new thing to farm gold - Could imagine quicker ways to make ~1g25s an hour...

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 05:50 PM

View PostIllein, on 23 November 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

I am sorry, but that's just not correct. I'll claim that nobody can do former 8 Runs in 4 Minutes and then some - as you claimed for your maths. Without jumping the wall - you're probably looking at ~8-10 Minutes, and that's only if the mobs past Boss #1 all leash back to their spawn...

I don't think it'll be the new thing to farm gold - Could imagine quicker ways to make ~1g25s an hour...

I have no idea which wall you are talking about.. for 2 bosses I mean the 1st chest in forgotten path, which spawns when you kill 2 bosses together. I did a run in less then 4 mins myself.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 05:52 PM

View PostLuke86, on 23 November 2012 - 05:50 PM, said:

I have no idea which wall you are talking about.. for 2 bosses I mean the 1st chest in forgotten path, which spawns when you kill 2 bosses together. I did a run in less then 4 mins myself.

Oh, nevermind me then. I read "Two Bosses" as in - the first (the duo) and the second - which was what people formerly farmed for 8 Tokens before the big token patch (in which you had to scale a wall for).

The first Boss(es) in 4 Minutes is doable, yeah. Not too shabby then - I simply misunderstood your OP. Sorry there!

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 06:05 PM

View PostLuke86, on 20 November 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

This means that in 30 mins a party can do 7 runs, gaining 28x7 + 6x7= 2.38 gold coins, 5.6k karma (again, without considering any booster) and 42 tokens.

I am a little confused, is this the "before the nerf" results or "post nerf"?  Cause if that is post nerf, that seems to be pretty damn good for 30mins.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 06:31 PM

I can see people deliberately losing the gates of Arah events would be frustrating.  My friend really wants a piece of armor from the karma vendor but can't get to him.  Although in our case I think an event is stuck.  Whether it's a prerequisite quest for taking Arah or not I don' know.  But the base outside the steps of Arah is hostile, and the next closest base has an escort quest stuck at the entrance not progressing.

Edited by Reason on Cooldown, 23 November 2012 - 06:32 PM.


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Posted 23 November 2012 - 06:37 PM

View PostTGIFrisbie, on 23 November 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:

I am a little confused, is this the "before the nerf" results or "post nerf"?  Cause if that is post nerf, that seems to be pretty damn good for 30mins.

It is post nerf, before the nerf you'd have only dropped 4 tokens from the chest and few blue items.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 06:52 PM

Anyone doing this on Eu side?

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 12:53 AM

View PostReason on Cooldown, on 23 November 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

I can see people deliberately losing the gates of Arah events would be frustrating.  My friend really wants a piece of armor from the karma vendor but can't get to him.  Although in our case I think an event is stuck.  Whether it's a prerequisite quest for taking Arah or not I don' know.  But the base outside the steps of Arah is hostile, and the next closest base has an escort quest stuck at the entrance not progressing.

Check gw2armor.com, typically there is more than one piece with the same stats from a different vendor, though this isn't always the case and typically one stat set pieces is completely missing (usually Pwr/Tuf/Vit piece).

Arah is broken on Blackgate, this tends to be a trend.  When it isn't broken the event is run any time the gate is closed, for the most part.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 01:14 AM

After 4 manning it lupi and beyond on path 1 for 4 hours, it's pretty sad to see this.  Hopefully, they will move the token bags to lupi and beyond very soon.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 01:16 AM

View PostTGIFrisbie, on 24 November 2012 - 12:53 AM, said:

Check gw2armor.com, typically there is more than one piece with the same stats from a different vendor, though this isn't always the case and typically one stat set pieces is completely missing (usually Pwr/Tuf/Vit piece).

Arah is broken on Blackgate, this tends to be a trend.  When it isn't broken the event is run any time the gate is closed, for the most part.

I think he's really interested in the Infiltrator's rune as well.  So that may be part of the problem.  I have noticed you can 'shop around' the temple vendors to get the stats you want..........unless you want Power/Toughness/Vitality ob a heavy armor helm......gotta go to the dungeons for that.




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