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#1 Dahk

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:19 AM

So, a Vial of Condensed Mists Essence dropped for me today.  My first thought was "Awesome! I can make an ascended item!"

...until I looked closer at the mat cost.  Potent bloods are almost 25 silver each and I need 250 of them.  And that's before even counting the ectos.

Now, to give you some background, I don't get a ton of playtime.  Between my family and my job, I don't get to put in nearly as many hours as I was able to do back in my college years, but that's why I came to GW2.  I played GW1 back in the day and I was really looking forward to a game where I can jump in and be judged by how well I played, not how long I played.

After hearing ArenaNet's manifesto on the game, I thought that's what I would find.

And it was.

Until this latest patch.  

I know to a lot of other people, this mat cost is nothing, but it's sad that it feels like I can't play MMOs and still be competitive anymore.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:22 AM

Imagine your face  when you get a higher tier pink mat. Still asking yourself when the day you're able to craft will come Posted Image
Keeps collecting them, you cannot sell them after all ;)

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:26 AM

View PostDahk, on 21 November 2012 - 05:19 AM, said:

Potent bloods are almost 25 silver each and I need 250 of them.

Goodness gracious, why didn't I buy up these mats when they were cheap? :D

#4 Lucas Ashrock

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:30 AM

View PostXekk, on 21 November 2012 - 05:26 AM, said:

Goodness gracious, why didn't I buy up these mats when they were cheap? :D
I was wondering the same, when The Legend was 8g. Why i didn't buy it. Or lodestones at 8s.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:51 AM

The grind has always been there, this one is just steeper than you were expecting.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:57 AM

Yeah, I had purchased the game because of the Manifesto video. Guess i was suckered into thinking they would cater to the casual gamers like myself. Can't even get into the new dungeons because i'm behind the rest.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:57 AM

Cash -> Gems -> Gold

That is ArenaNet's new business model.

You may not give in, but others will.  No effort lost on their part.
It's okay to enjoy crap if you're willing to admit it's crap.
Every patch is like ArenaNet walking out onto the stage of the International Don't Kitten Up Championship, and then proceeding to shiv itself in the stomach 30 times while screaming "IT'S FOR YOUR OWN GOOD! IT'S FOR YOUR OWN GOOD!"

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:32 AM

To keep it 'real' so to speak, aim for full exotic dungeon set.
Karma Temple Set is doable now with the daily karma jug and dungeon vial of karma.
Tokens easier to gain off boss kills with the current state of 'geared people' at the moment.
And that's that.
Don't even think of:
1. Legendary weapons.
2. Ascended Gear.

These things aren't meant to be casual friendly.
Trust me, after playing for a month and surveying the market + playstyle, it's just not feasible nor felt like an accomplishment when you spent real life currency on a virtual item upgrade. I could just download a Skyrim mod and get a really cool looking sword and other stuff for free. Spend what you can on dyes, dress up your character, be happy about it but never overspend.

Do Fractals for the experience - explore them all...then don't come back - is what I do.
That's where the fun is for me.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:34 AM

View PostSiomai, on 21 November 2012 - 05:57 AM, said:

Yeah, I had purchased the game because of the Manifesto video. Guess i was suckered into thinking they would cater to the casual gamers like myself. Can't even get into the new dungeons because i'm behind the rest.
There are still tons of people below lvl 5.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:45 AM

View PostSiomai, on 21 November 2012 - 05:57 AM, said:

Yeah, I had purchased the game because of the Manifesto video. Guess i was suckered into thinking they would cater to the casual gamers like myself. Can't even get into the new dungeons because i'm behind the rest.

I read that a lot. "Everyone's so far ahead!" A LOT of people say that. This is GW1 Hall of Heroes all over again. Thousands of complaints that "Nobody takes people below a certain rank." Yet not once have I ever seen those like-minded people say "Well we should all group up together then and get that rank."

You are not the only one at level 1. This is ESPECIALLY true as it's character bound and not account bound. Hell, you're not even the only one willing to do level 1 even on higher levels considering how fast the Fractal runs are. Get in the game, start looking and play the game the way you enjoy it.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 07:11 AM

View PostDarkobra, on 21 November 2012 - 06:45 AM, said:

You are not the only one at level 1. This is ESPECIALLY true as it's character bound and not account bound.
Two things:

1. It hasn't even been a week and people are advertising from 1-12 from what I've seen on my own server and overflows. It is also a touch more difficult to get past the lower levels because people are not familiar with the maps yet (Get swamp? Quit and re-try without voice comm) so wipes and rage quits come faster. It's going to be difficult to find a PuG for this very quickly. If it's not meant to be PuG friendly then the November 15th update was a whole lot of terrible.

2. The ascended item drops are account bound, not character bound. The difficulty levels earned may be character bound but I would never willingly limit my group options by jumping on another character when I could get so much more playing whichever of my characters has access to the higher levels. This is especially true since the ascended items come level 10+ are going to become more of a necessity; I'm not about to blow 500 T6 materials and 100 ectos just so I can have two characters who can perform on equal footing.

Ascended items, in their words, were supposed to be something to work on after exotics but before Legendaries. See, I find that kind of funny since when I look at the recipes for making those back items they require 250 of a T6 material (needed for Legendary), skill points (needed for Legendary), and ectos (oh look, needed for Legendary). How am I supposed to work on my Legendary when my ascended gear is consuming the materials I also need for my Legendary? Also, the whole fact that an exotic piece will cost a gold piece if you're not picky about the skin but ascended items? Probably 20+ gold, in that range? Anet that's not another step, that's a gargantuan leap.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:30 AM

View PostDahk, on 21 November 2012 - 05:19 AM, said:

So, a Vial of Condensed Mists Essence dropped for me today.  My first thought was "Awesome! I can make an ascended item!"

...until I looked closer at the mat cost.  Potent bloods are almost 25 silver each and I need 250 of them.  And that's before even counting the ectos.

Now, to give you some background, I don't get a ton of playtime.  Between my family and my job, I don't get to put in nearly as many hours as I was able to do back in my college years, but that's why I came to GW2.  I played GW1 back in the day and I was really looking forward to a game where I can jump in and be judged by how well I played, not how long I played.

After hearing ArenaNet's manifesto on the game, I thought that's what I would find.

And it was.

Until this latest patch.  

I know to a lot of other people, this mat cost is nothing, but it's sad that it feels like I can't play MMOs and still be competitive anymore.
Competitive?

You were never competitive bro.

I'm still in exotics, I don't have a legendary, but you know what? I don't care. Because I don't need those.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:38 AM

You play the game to have fun, not to be what, fat guy at the PC screen chomping away in gw2 24/7 trying to earn $ to get your legendary or paytowin stuff.
As for competitive stuff, keep in mind that the people you are competing against are fat people who have nothing good in their life except drooling away in tyria farming their T6 crap everyday just like those nexon fanboys. I rather have a life.

Moral of the story: If you want the best items(appearance or stat) then earn it. But if you find that in the process you disliked it, it is not for you. Besides, i am in exotics and i am having fun. Descension stuff are just for no-lifers. As for Anet's manifesto. What manifesto, oh you mean, their 'lies'? Well i do hear about them but one must not trust a sly fox(get it?)

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:48 AM

Same, I have one too. And if I want to get a back piece for example, I have to gather 250 of max material and 24 ecto. But if I want to INFUSE IT, cause, OF COURSE IT ISN'T ALREADY, I have to get another 250 ecto.

Count me out! :/

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:59 AM

Doing monthly than leaving it where it is, except maybe running it with guildies for fun

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:04 PM

View PostFenice_86, on 21 November 2012 - 11:59 AM, said:

Doing monthly than leaving it where it is, except maybe running it with guildies for fun
Ye, most are doing it. Slow massleaving. Until december kicks. Or guildies/friends contact you asking you to log.
Kinda of what i'm doing the last 2 days. Quick daily (monthly done yet), maybe a quick fractal run and logoff

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 21 November 2012 - 12:05 PM.


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:07 PM

i got a survey about this last content update in my email.  i suggest you all fill it out with these same concerns.  it will be much more effective that communicating this to the Guru community on the forums.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:08 PM

Any full negative survey is not even read, you forgot Anet attitude maybe ;)

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 21 November 2012 - 12:08 PM.


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:15 PM

Wait a sec there....

The manifesto still stands. 99% of the game is doable with rare gear.
The fractal dungeon is the only area where better gear might be mandatory.

If you don't want to grind, just don't do it.

It is totally fine for Arenanet to say: if you want to grind: here's some cool armor that you don't actually need but has better stats and looks great.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:17 PM

View PostPhy, on 21 November 2012 - 05:51 AM, said:

The grind has always been there, this one is just steeper than you were expecting.

Pretty much this. More players are getting in reach of items that are steep on the acquisition list. The Legendary was a given, but now if you look at higher end Mystic forge weapons that need 250 orichalcum blades and ascended back items that are 250 high end mats and 50 ectos you are simply going to see this list grow.

The problem is the narrow focus on how all these high end items use all the same materials. They need to broaden the end game materials list so people can work on multiple items at once instead of one or the other.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:20 PM

View PostThePinkFrog, on 21 November 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:

Wait a sec there....

The manifesto still stands. 99% of the game is doable with rare gear.
The fractal dungeon is the only area where better gear might be mandatory.

If you don't want to grind, just don't do it.

It is totally fine for Arenanet to say: if you want to grind: here's some cool armor that you don't actually need but has better stats and looks great.
Looking forward when you attempt to join a group and you're instakicked when people ask "link your ascended gear pls, this is a coe run all paths, no noobs are welcomed"
Ah right, you do jp, look flowers, play alone farming mats and resell, you hate dungeons, you hate pugs, you have your amazing dungeon guild doing exp on shot endless. What else those kind of posters write? Wait eh i'll remember Posted Image

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 21 November 2012 - 12:21 PM.


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:28 PM

The cost on them is utterly ridiculous, especially for a game that was labeled as 'no grind for stats'. And imagine what the weapons will cost.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:29 PM

View PostLucas Ashrock, on 21 November 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:

Looking forward when you attempt to join a group and you're instakicked when people ask "link your ascended gear pls, this is a coe run all paths, no noobs are welcomed"
Ah right, you do jp, look flowers, play alone farming mats and resell, you hate dungeons, you hate pugs, you have your amazing dungeon guild doing exp on shot endless. What else those kind of posters write? Wait eh i'll remember Posted Image

Well, if you are desperate to play with people that will kick you because they don't like the gear you are wearing, then this tells me more about you than about the existence of grinding in GW2 ;)

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:29 PM

View PostResolve, on 21 November 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

The cost on them is utterly ridiculous, especially for a game that was labeled as 'no grind for stats'. And imagine what the weapons will cost.
Now guess an entire armor set :D

View PostThePinkFrog, on 21 November 2012 - 12:29 PM, said:

Well, if you are desperate to play with people that will kick you because they don't like the gear you are wearing, then this tells me more about you than about the existence of grinding in GW2 ;)
:huh: ? People loves my arah fullset fullrune, noone kick me. It's just early, i was joking, gives a month or two and we talk again about your answer and if i was joking. Just so you know, i saw yet dungeon runs ascended only (ring+back)
Ye, i'm a community player, i play with people, not acting as an elite with my uberguild we are pro, or with no noobs near my LFM

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 21 November 2012 - 12:35 PM.


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:31 PM

View PostXgreatArtist, on 21 November 2012 - 11:38 AM, said:

You play the game to have fun, not to be what, fat guy at the PC screen chomping away in gw2 24/7 trying to earn $ to get your legendary or paytowin stuff.
As for competitive stuff, keep in mind that the people you are competing against are fat people who have nothing good in their life except drooling away in tyria farming their T6 crap everyday just like those nexon fanboys. I rather have a life.

Moral of the story: If you want the best items(appearance or stat) then earn it. But if you find that in the process you disliked it, it is not for you. Besides, i am in exotics and i am having fun. Descension stuff are just for no-lifers. As for Anet's manifesto. What manifesto, oh you mean, their 'lies'? Well i do hear about them but one must not trust a sly fox(get it?)
Lol at this post. Show me how ignorant you are.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:31 PM

Just like GW1 I am in this game for the long haul to that end I am not expecting to get all the gear and do all the content in a short time.

Ascended is only useful in the fractals dungeon and that can be played at different levels agony can be blocked dodged so whats the worry.
Play the game as you were doing and use money for the resources to get more ascended items when they come out.
Farm for the ascended resources which are sure to be good sellers over time, maybe get crafting skills up so if the recipy comes out you can make your own.

When they said top lvl was 80 md they said it was too high I said its all about how long it takes me to get to top lvl a week too short 6 months too high well it took me almost 3 months which I am happy with.
8 character classes gives me 2 years of play maybe.
Eventually I will have legendary weapons armour and ascended too if they all come into the game.

Not this week not this year but I will have a load of fun, just don't see MMOs as a sprint,

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:47 PM

View PostLucas Ashrock, on 21 November 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:

Looking forward when you attempt to join a group and you're instakicked when people ask "link your ascended gear pls, this is a coe run all paths, no noobs are welcomed"
Ah right, you do jp, look flowers, play alone farming mats and resell, you hate dungeons, you hate pugs, you have your amazing dungeon guild doing exp on shot endless. What else those kind of posters write? Wait eh i'll remember Posted Image

Look players who do that are *es and I am not so desperate to do a dungeon that I would join them anyway.
If I met a group in real life who said unless I drove a particular car or had £2000 to spend on an eveninng out I should get lost, well I would think the same of them too.

Some players will always find a reason to judge players if this equipment didn't exist they would take the rarest material that drops in the game and say show me 500 of them or get lost.
Casual players will always be treated thus by them.

So what is a casual player to do, well you could get together with other regected players and do it yourself till you get good at it and probably turn into the same type of jackass as them.

The most successful players in these games will always be those that find a friendly guild or have friends.
noobs of the game unite you have nothing to lose but your noobyness.
ok its a crap slogan but do it anyway.

love it I was going to say the words thats your rear end and a hole  but instead typed Jack ... rear end and they filtered it.
They could have changed it to Jack*es instead of just *s.
I shall have to reduce my expletives down another lvl I thought I was ok with the jack word.

I shall in future say naughty persons

Edited by Gremlin, 21 November 2012 - 05:54 PM.


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:51 PM

View PostDahk, on 21 November 2012 - 05:19 AM, said:

... I played GW1 back in the day and I was really looking forward to a game where I can jump in and be judged by how well I played, not how long I played.

After hearing ArenaNet's manifesto on the game, I thought that's what I would find.

And it was.

Until this latest patch.  
No it wasn't. Truth of the matter is that GW2 was always grindy. As in, it was built for it. You just didn't notice it until now.

View PostLucas Ashrock, on 21 November 2012 - 05:30 AM, said:

I was wondering the same, when The Legend was 8g. Why i didn't buy it. Or lodestones at 8s.
Yes but notice that the waypoint fee, armor repair fees, and respec fees are important gold sinks that fights inflation! :rolleyes:

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:04 PM

So I know you can craft the backslot but what about the piece you can buy for about 1350 fractals. I thought that was a back piece also? Whats the difference suppose to be?

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:09 PM

i deleted 2 vial of condensed mists essence because i didn't give a F.




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