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#181 elithrar

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 02:22 PM

That 3-way SM fight just then was madness. JQ managed to distract SBI off long enough at the end there to rush the Lord.

#182 Hohen

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 02:22 PM

View PostKananeko, on 26 November 2012 - 12:09 PM, said:

good defense? wm  are communicate with jq guild last night in sbi borderland, apparently whenever sos setup siege and sbi cant get rid of them, jq will stop their offense completely and flank sos from behind, then leave as soon as siege got wiped. good match?

as for tonight, i am out of words, sos seems to celebrate too much for just 1 win, and lowered our guards, although it only 11pm au time. we seems to be outmanned in every borderland, this never happen before we hit t1, normally we will have good amount of ppl until 2am.

hoping sos will start picking up the slacks


Let the tears from 2v1 cries start flowing again.

We respect SoS and think you guys deserve to be here in t1 but don't start that 2v1 excuse because it's nonsense and comical.

#183 Killminusnine

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 02:27 PM

View Postcrowea, on 26 November 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

Well that's one guild not all of SoS. SBI have stepped up the pressure this week which is why they are winning.

This is a ridiculous statement.

Edited by Killminusnine, 26 November 2012 - 02:30 PM.


#184 MaLeVoLenT_1

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 02:31 PM

SoS players watch what you say on the public forums.

#185 Vihar

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 02:52 PM

View PostHohen, on 26 November 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:

We respect SoS and think you guys deserve to be here in t1

We do?

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 02:53 PM

GW2 endgame = Planetside 2

At least that's where Ruin went :DD

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 02:57 PM

View Postfathamburger, on 26 November 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

GW2 endgame = Planetside 2

At least that's where Ruin went :DD
It's where I am currently.

But it's always fun to read these forums. The excuses of PVE being thrown around last week are now being used by the server that denied they existed, and the 2v1 accusations are also starting to pour in -- the best part is it's not even Wednesday yet. Glad to see WvW hasn't changed much!

Edited by Treble, 26 November 2012 - 02:58 PM.


#188 Cirus

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:35 PM

There is no excuses for losing, if you're good enough you'll always win in the end no matter what happens.

Right now SBI are the deserved leaders and to say otherwise is just being a sore loser.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:39 PM

The fight so far has been a good one.

One server taking a week off after climbing from 10th ranked to 1st ranked.

Two guilds being able to field 3 to 4 GUILDS worth of people, hats off to you.

Some of these fights have been the best I have seen and its been a blast fighting with both sides, even tho some of the fights seem a little sketchy (JQ showing up just as we start to wipe SBI off their land)

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:51 PM

View PostHennet, on 26 November 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

Some of these fights have been the best I have seen and its been a blast fighting with both sides, even tho some of the fights seem a little sketchy (JQ showing up just as we start to wipe SBI off their land)

  This is because neither JQ nor SBI can filed full strength on all the maps at once, so our commanders bounce between maps.

   It is not unusual to be outmanned on 2 out of 3 borderlands, while the main forces are working the third.

   Surprised you haven't noticed this...but that's what's going on.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:52 PM

Who was the SOS commander I was chasing around the walls of SM last night? That was a merry chase but I got you in the end! You led me all around the damn walls of SM with that group!

I was that D/D elementalist chasing you.

Edited by Raif89, 26 November 2012 - 03:54 PM.


#192 Hohen

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:55 PM

View PostVihar, on 26 November 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:

We do?

I was speaking for some of us only not for the whole server ofc. And if not SoS, is there anyone else more deserving to be in t1?


View PostHennet, on 26 November 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

The fight so far has been a good one.

One server taking a week off after climbing from 10th ranked to 1st ranked.

Two guilds being able to field 3 to 4 GUILDS worth of people, hats off to you.

Some of these fights have been the best I have seen and its been a blast fighting with both sides, even tho some of the fights seem a little sketchy (JQ showing up just as we start to wipe SBI off their land)

a week off? complaining about numbers now? 2v1? more tears flowing!

Edited by Hohen, 26 November 2012 - 03:59 PM.


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Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:57 PM

SOS isn't taking the week off. If we lose this match, the loss doesn't have an asterisk excusing the team from the loss tarnishing their record. We take it proudly, learn from it, and come back stronger next week.

Btw, don't you count us out yet! Do so at your own peril...

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:05 PM

View PostHohen, on 26 November 2012 - 03:55 PM, said:

I was speaking for some of us only not for the whole server ofc. And if not SoS, is there anyone else more deserving to be in t1?

  I look forward to kicking SoS's teeth in and see if they get back up.

  I don't think they will.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:15 PM

View PostVihar, on 26 November 2012 - 04:05 PM, said:

  I look forward to kicking SoS's teeth in and see if they get back up.

  I don't think they will.
Never count out a server like SoS. PRX and Tsym are very real threats, and I wouldn't put it past them to rally the server and make a comeback like we have in the past.

#196 Cirus

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:17 PM

View PostVihar, on 26 November 2012 - 04:05 PM, said:

  I look forward to kicking SoS's teeth in and see if they get back up.

  I don't think they will.

Jeez, are you one of those guys that's both a sore loser and a bad winner? Like, the worst of both scenarios? :mellow:

#197 CalmLittleBuddy

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:31 PM

Let's look at the 2 vs 1 claim. Now that SoS is in it's second week of T1, the claim of 2v1 has come up from them. As it did back in the day. JQ claimed it happened once v HoD, so trust me, I know how it looks.

No 2 servers have every seriously made a conscious effort to 2v1 another server on T1. I've seen claims, even seen a few people claim to organize a 2v1 situation. It's just too complex an idea to ever work in reality. Too many individual agendas and egos to ever make that an effective and meaningful strategy.

What people see the first and second week of T1 that they've never seen before is their 2 opposing servers having enough players round the clock to field full time Zergs while still having objective focused groups hitting specific targets at times of their choosing. For instance, let's say JQ sees SBI mashing up against SM, owned by SoS. We've seen it so many times in T1, we know when SBI will and will NOT break off an attack. We keep an eye on it.

If we see SBI is going to take it, hypothetically, it would make sense for us to NOT jump in and TCB somewhere else. If they can't take it, but weaken SoS enough, hypothetically it makes sense to finish the job. SBI does the same. They watch JQ and SoS fighting and react for the BEST possible advantage.

Unfortunately, that means the newcomer always is behind the 8 ball. They see a 2 v1, but in reality it's just T1 business as usual, where the advantage other servers make FOR you are better than the ones they make you fight for... SoS has yet to adapt to the situation.

I was surprised by SoS's tactics in week 1 of this current grouping. I kept expecting what Blackgate did. As such, many times I got rolled hardcore and felt like "WTF is going on here?" This week, I kinda know (as do our commanders) what sort of action SoS is likely to take.

Some on SoS see that their old strategies don't work and see 2 servers arriving at suspiciously timed inoportune moments for them and yeah, sure it must be 2 v 1! But no, it's just that now each of the other 2 servers can anticipate you, and we know each other so well, we kinda fall into patterns.

If I hadn't been around for the last 6 weeks, some of the stuff I've seen would LOOK like 2 v1, SoS and SBI double teaming us. But it's not. That's just how it flows. I expect after we fend off an SoS attack, SBI is hot on your heels to hit us after you've softened us up. I know if we flip one of SBI's camps and next thing the SoS zerg shows up, that's just life.

Every sever has 2 other server fighting them. It looks like 2 v 1 because, really ALL servers are being double teamed by the other 2. It's just NOT intentional or planned out. You 've got two enemies to deal with. We do too. Trust me SBI cuts us no breaks. At all. And we have to pick or fights with them very carefully. Just the same way SoS cuts us no breaks and we have to pick our fights with them very carefully.

The only difference between SoS and SBI is SBI knows it's not a planned 2 v 1 and uses it for an advantage. SoS sees it as a 2 v 1 and tries to fight it like that. BG said the same thing week 2. IoJ said it week 1. We used to say it when HoD dominated.

But we learned it wasn't true. And we became a better server for it.

We're in 3rd place right now, sure. But we've been in T1 a long long time without dropping to T2. You get used to it.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:33 PM

View PostCirus, on 26 November 2012 - 04:17 PM, said:

Jeez, are you one of those guys that's both a sore loser and a bad winner? Like, the worst of both scenarios? :mellow:

At least he joined a guild that represents his emotions. :P  Last week's loss must have really stung lol.

But I agree with you on your previous post. If we lose it's cause we were beaten fair and square (and black and blue :( ) and hats off to the winner. No point in making excuses, specially when we were calling out people for doing the exact same thing last week.

Edited by Zomious, 26 November 2012 - 04:34 PM.


#199 CalmLittleBuddy

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:33 PM

View PostCirus, on 26 November 2012 - 04:17 PM, said:

Jeez, are you one of those guys that's both a sore loser and a bad winner? Like, the worst of both scenarios? :mellow:

No. He's just Vihar. You get used to him too. ;)

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:35 PM

View PostTreble, on 26 November 2012 - 04:15 PM, said:

Never count out a server like SoS. PRX and Tsym are very real threats, and I wouldn't put it past them to rally the server and make a comeback like we have in the past.

  That's what it takes to be a T1 server.

Cirus, I don't disparage a winner or a loser.

Only quitters.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:35 PM

View PostKillminusnine, on 26 November 2012 - 04:34 PM, said:

TLDR.

Stop trying so hard.

You're new here, aren't you?

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:36 PM

View PostZomious, on 26 November 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

At least he joined a guild that represents his emotions. :P

  I didn't join it, I made it. :P

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:39 PM

View PostVihar, on 26 November 2012 - 04:35 PM, said:

  That's what it takes to be a T1 server.

Cirus, I don't disparage a winner or a loser.

Only quitters.

Good to hear, does that mean you were disparaging towards SBI last week? :P

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:40 PM

View PostCalmLittleBuddy, on 26 November 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:

Let's look at the 2 vs 1 claim. Now that SoS is in it's second week of T1, the claim of 2v1 has come up from them. As it did back in the day. JQ claimed it happened once v HoD, so trust me, I know how it looks.

etc, etc

  It will all be wasted, but this is a great post.

   I thought our contract said we weren't supposed to reveal our strategy to the third party?

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:42 PM

View PostVihar, on 26 November 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

  It will all be wasted, but this is a great post.

   I thought our contract said we weren't supposed to reveal our strategy to the third party?

Heh. By week 3 they'll probably be your new partner, ya bunch of lackwit turncloaks! ;) 2 v 1 4eva!

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:45 PM

View PostCirus, on 26 November 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

Good to hear, does that mean you were disparaging towards SBI last week? :P

  Most definitely, and not for the first time.

  Much of SBI would rather not have me on the server when we are down.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:48 PM

2v1 is a part of WvW, it happens all the time and I've seen all servers get deliberately 2v1'd since being in Tier 1. Saying it only happens to 1 server is delusional. If you're good enough you can still defeat the other 2 servers while being ganged up on anyway, I saw it happen last week and a team held it's own against the other 2.

If there was a true 2v1 where both servers form an alliance and gang up on the other server no matter what in all borderlands, it would be bloody obvious, and that clearly is not happening here.

Edited by Cirus, 26 November 2012 - 04:49 PM.


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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:48 PM

View PostVihar, on 26 November 2012 - 04:45 PM, said:

  Most definitely, and not for the first time.

  Much of SBI would rather not have me on the server when we are down.
^this.   He is a mean dictator.  :P

#209 Hennet

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:50 PM

The longwinded posts dont make a whole lot of sense.

How much of SoS have you seen out there actually fighting? SoS bl and EB right? The other two BL's have had almost ZERO organized presence on them. Its rather clear that some of the SoS guilds are taking a well deserved week off after busting arse to climb up 9 ranks.

Its monday and the fight is far from over, lets see what happens friday morning!

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:51 PM

View PostSyphen, on 26 November 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

^this.   He is a mean dictator.  :P

Speaking of wishing to not have people on servers, how's Daish going over there? :D




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